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So after the Russian MoD attacked Bellingcat the Russian MFA joined in, so we made a little video https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/708667409687834624
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Brown Moses posted:So after the Russian MoD attacked Bellingcat the Russian MFA joined in, so we made a little video lmao
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Friendly Humour posted:The reason why the EU doesn't have a unitary military is because the EU has no considerable military threats. AKA "We can just hide behind the USA." And no that's not clancy chat. That's reality.
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crabcakes66 posted:AKA "We can just hide behind the USA."
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kalstrams posted:There is European politics thread. And Europe's security being underwritten by America is definitely relevant.
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crabcakes66 posted:And Europe's security being underwritten by America is definitely relevant.
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The only reality worthy of consideration is the reality of the thermonuclear battlefield 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:The only reality worthy of consideration is the reality of the thermonuclear battlefield Inshallah.
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Brown Moses posted:So after the Russian MoD attacked Bellingcat the Russian MFA joined in, so we made a little video
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Mar 12, 2016 20:23
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It becomes less funny when you consider how many people listen to these childish lies.
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I now use the examples of debunking Russia's MH17 lies in all my training sessions for journalists, government types, etc etc. For example, when I'm teaching the basics of Google Earth satellite imagery I use the satellite imagery the Russian MoD lied about the dates on as a hands on example, so the participants get to discover that for themselves. In fact, I'll be doing that on Monday at a training event at the Guardian office for all their journalists, and a later session that will be live streamed will be about how we demonstrated the Russian MoD lied about its bombing campaign in Syria as well. If they keep lying it just gives me more material for training people in verification and open source investigation.
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I don't understand how that twitter video is owning the Russians. You just reproduced their own material.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't understand how that twitter video is owning the Russians. You just reproduced their own material. Their first comment was that they would not dignify anything Bellingcat claimed by responding to it. Then they responded and responded and responded, saying Bellingcat about every other word by the end.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't understand how that twitter video is owning the Russians. You just reproduced their own material. E: Beaten like cooperation between Russian state institutions. 
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It's basically "lol, u mad?" in video form, because it shows the Russian mouthpieces being very mad.
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Well, this went downhill quickly. I want to read more about dumb poo poo PiS does and not about military dickwaving of scenarios that will never happen. Edit: thread moved on already. My bad. Great video, made me laugh Martin BadClixx fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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Thatim posted:I want to read more about dumb poo poo PiS does and not about military dickwaving of scenarios that will never happen. PM launched counter-illumination of the chancellery to blot out Razem's projector. State TV pretends nobody comes to KOD/Nowoczesna (how do you tell them apart?) protests anymore, by patiently waiting until the march actually ends before rolling film. Not much really interesting stuff over the weekend.
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I kinda wish for Poland to test their new stealth tank against Russia (joking). Also I think Russia is a paper tiger that would lose war against any moderately competent NATO military such as Turkey.
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steinrokkan posted:Also I think Russia is a paper tiger that would lose war against any moderately competent NATO military such as Turkey. I think that might be possible too, but I'd also really like to not find out.
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russia is never as weak or as strong as she appears
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Discendo Vox posted:I think that might be possible too, but I'd also really like to not find out. Neither would I, but I think the military alarmists in the west need to be rebuffed with a frank reality check in the form of a proper military strength assessment. And frankly Russian military is a relic of the 80s with little potential to even dent a military based on the current US state of the art weaponry.
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Baloogan posted:russia is never as weak or as strong as she appears  Look deep into my Mirror of Aissur, thread, and tell me what you see. Is Russia Stronk? Is it Weak? Is it a friend of whistleblowers? Is it a police state? Where is its sphere? Where is its BUK? The truth lies within...Tell us your innermost Russia desire.
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Cat Mattress posted:It's basically "lol, u mad?" in video form, because it shows the Russian mouthpieces being very mad. The world today involves a mod from a website I post at trolling a major nation state using twitter.
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Brown mosses is going to wake up one day with a three page 'dear richard' from putin stuck to his bed with a knife.
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Brown Moses posted:I now use the examples of debunking Russia's MH17 lies in all my training sessions for journalists, government types, etc etc. For example, when I'm teaching the basics of Google Earth satellite imagery I use the satellite imagery the Russian MoD lied about the dates on as a hands on example, so the participants get to discover that for themselves. In fact, I'll be doing that on Monday at a training event at the Guardian office for all their journalists, and a later session that will be live streamed will be about how we demonstrated the Russian MoD lied about its bombing campaign in Syria as well. If they keep lying it just gives me more material for training people in verification and open source investigation. Don't you think it's a bit weird you're having to teach this poo poo to accredited and degreed journalists? I get that the information age is a comparatively new thing in human history, but I would have thought these people were already way ahead of you. I guess it says something about the current state of journalism, or perhaps it doesn't.
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Friendly Humour posted:Don't you think it's a bit weird you're having to teach this poo poo to accredited and degreed journalists? I get that the information age is a comparatively new thing in human history, but I would have thought these people were already way ahead of you. I guess it says something about the current state of journalism, or perhaps it doesn't. wHAT IS EVEN YOUR POINT.
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steinrokkan posted:wHAT IS EVEN YOUR POINT. go to bed
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Friendly Humour posted:Don't you think it's a bit weird you're having to teach this poo poo to accredited and degreed journalists? I get that the information age is a comparatively new thing in human history, but I would have thought these people were already way ahead of you. I guess it says something about the current state of journalism, or perhaps it doesn't. If you hadn't noticed, this is something Brown Moses personally invented almost out of thin air. The idea of using social media as a way of gathering information is very new, and his ways of cross-checking the sources for accuracy and building a comprehensive story from them is novel. No, it's not at all weird that journalists need to learn how to do it.
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Friendly Humour posted:Professionals already have all the answers. Have you not been paying attention to anything ever?
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Arglebargle III posted:Have you not been paying attention to anything ever? On the evidence of the last few pages? No.
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Baloogan posted:russia is never as weak or as stronk as she appears
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Friendly Humour posted:Don't you think it's a bit weird you're having to teach this poo poo to accredited and degreed journalists? I get that the information age is a comparatively new thing in human history, but I would have thought these people were already way ahead of you. I guess it says something about the current state of journalism, or perhaps it doesn't. Well journalists really have been the earliest to adopt this sort of work, mainly the verification part of it though. We really look at the question of "if we CAN verify this stuff, what can we do with it then?". I think the problem they face is in a traditional newsroom there's not really much time to do learn how to do this kind of investigation without someone in a senior position making the decision to allow some people time to do it, and until they believe in the value of it that's not going to happen. So it's kind of an awareness issue even before it become a training issue. This applies to many more fields, for example the work we're doing with police. The MH17 case is actually quite a big deal in the use of open source and social media investigation, because its the first time there's been an investigation of such of scale and of international importance where this sort of investigation has been done on such a scale. For the police, this means they're learning on the job to some degree, and they've got to do it perfectly, because we can already see how Russia is reacting to the use of these sources in the MH17 investigation. I've also been talking to various law enforcement agencies from various countries about teaching their staff this sort of stuff, and I think if the official MH17 investigation goes the way we think it will then there will be massive interest in the work we've done. There's also the policy aspect. I've been working a lot with the Atlantic Council on stuff related to open source and social media investigation, and it wasn't until we released the Hiding in Plain Sight report that this sort of work was even known to policy makers. It had an extremely significant effect at those levels, and it's something we're working on building on, launching digital research units in various regions to focus on this kind of investigations. We're currently hiring our first two staff in Latvia, and are currently working to set up more across the world focused on different topics. Aric Toler actually was just speaking about our work at the Future War conference in DC, and there were lots of military, government, and policy types there, who were blown away by our work, and many told him they already refer to our work in their own work and training. I could go on, but the tl;dr is you'd be shocked at the people you think would be and should be using this information but aren't at all.
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Discendo Vox posted:
Death to Putin, death to separatists
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Brown Moses posted:Well journalists really have been the earliest to adopt this sort of work, mainly the verification part of it though. We really look at the question of "if we CAN verify this stuff, what can we do with it then?". I think the problem they face is in a traditional newsroom there's not really much time to do learn how to do this kind of investigation without someone in a senior position making the decision to allow some people time to do it, and until they believe in the value of it that's not going to happen. So it's kind of an awareness issue even before it become a training issue. You should go on actually, your work is methodologically really interesting. In no way to denigrate it, it just seems like such a simple principle of looking up social media for images and people that I'm a bit dumbfounded that it's innovative. I guess it's the problem is as you say mostly about one of time and effort, what you're doing is some hardcore investigative journalism in terms of how much investment it requires. Pointing out to editors "Hey! You should give your people time to do some journalism! Thanks!" shouldn't be an innovation, but I guess it is nowadays. I do actually wonder why your sources haven't been metaphorically internet blackbagged and had their social media pages and everything scrubbed. If I was KGB officer and some of my polite green men did a very dumb thing, securing all potential sources would be the first thing on my list of priorities. It seems ridiculous that information about the AA brigade was just left laying around on the net for anyone to look at. Anyway, I'm really glad for you! Go forth Brown Moses!
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Friendly Humour posted:You should go on actually, your work is methodologically really interesting. In no way to denigrate it, it just seems like such a simple principle of looking up social media for images and people that I'm a bit dumbfounded that it's innovative. Social networks are a really recent phenomenon and people who learned their job twenty years ago weren't taught about it. The pre-Internet approach would be to send a reporter team over there, and have them comb the place for witnesses and testimonies. It takes time, it's potentially dangerous, and you can get the ever-helpful "local authorities" making sure that you meet the right persons for their version of the story. Now you can get all that quickly and safely online, but since the web is the largest haystack ever, even with search engines, finding the needles you want takes time and a certain amount of know-how. Who in West even heard about VKontakt before MH17?
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Lichtenstein posted:Not much really interesting stuff over the weekend. Polish Minister of Defense posted:The summit - as we hope - will change the character of Poland's presence in NATO forever. It will conclude a long road and make Poland and other Midde- and Eastern-European countries full NATO members. Today Poland is on the verge of a big change which is transitioning from being a political member of NATO to being a full member. On Russia: Polish Minister of Defense posted:Putin's words [from 2009 when he said that Moscow wants to change the political setup in Europe] were said a year after the aggression on Georgia. Only independent Poland can speak louldy and without limitations about the genocide in Katyn. At least it seemed so still in 2009. 6 months later we learned that an attempt to talk about it was met with a reaction that the world hadn't imagined was possible. That reaction cost us the deaths of the whole Polish elite, simply death of the whole Polish delegation flying to Katyn over Smolensk. Soon afterwards the aggression on Ukraine followed, the deaths of over 300 innocent victims that were on board the Malesian airplane, intervention in Syria. Palpek fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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Palpek posted:There's one thing: Polish Minister of Defense's statement about the NATO summit in Warsaw: What is this talk about a full NATO membership? Is it some conspiracy theory?
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steinrokkan posted:I kinda wish for Poland to test their new stealth tank against Russia (joking). Also I think Russia is a paper tiger that would lose war against any moderately competent NATO military such as Turkey. Russian tanks invincible and able to shoot through 10 abrams in a line. Can fire missiles that fire smaller missiles that fire sabots. T-14 armata secretly powered by tiny fusion reactor. Russian soldiers specifically picked out from people who are illiterate and so cannot retreat... they do not know word!
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quote:Terrorism was born as the result of the Socialist-Soviet thought and outside of that thought it was absent in the history of the West and Christianity. Or meanings of words, come to think of it.
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Tevery Best posted:Death to Putin, death to separatists
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