UKMT Long March 2016 - Beware the Iain Duncan Smith of March (am I doing this right?)

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Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Oberleutnant posted:

How about you get put in a wheelchair and then I'll come visit you every week to call you a nazi oval office.

I'll let you have that one.

Gaussian, while I agree we really should fix our own problems before addressing those of other people, saying you feel better when you give to local people rather than to some foreign person you'll never meet just makes you look like a giant rear end in a top hat. If you're only being charitable because it makes you feel good, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Also, if weren't for the Tories literally driving the poor and disabled into suicide and starvation we wouldn't have those problems here.

E: 13 March 1957 - in an early attempt to create the UKMT, Cuban student revolutionaries make a failed attempt on the life of President Batista.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 12:41

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 18:33

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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Jedit posted:

Gaussian, while I agree we really should fix our own problems before addressing those of other people,

Wait, why? An amount donated to the average third-world charity makes a much bigger difference than the same amount donated to the average domestic charity.

e: some data http://www.givewell.org/giving101/Your-dollar-goes-further-overseas

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Mar 13, 2016

# ? Mar 13, 2016 12:51

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

# ? Mar 13, 2016 12:58

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Noxville posted:

Agreed, stop striking and start occupying private health care providers and start monstering the government directly.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 13:01

winegums: Dec 21, 2012

Who the gently caress is the guardian for these days

# ? Mar 13, 2016 13:12

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

winegums posted:

Who the gently caress is the guardian for these days

Tim Farron and the non-Corbynite PLP.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 13:26

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

Now there's a good name for a band.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 13:26

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

coffeetable posted:

Wait, why? An amount donated to the average third-world charity makes a much bigger difference than the same amount donated to the average domestic charity.

Yes, and I've donated more to the current Save the Children appeal for Ethiopia than I have to local charities, but that doesn't change the fact that we have problems here that need fixing. If all other things were equal we should first solve those domestic problems then attend to those of others. But they're not equal, people are dying right now in Ethiopia and their government can't be shamed into ending a drought. They need help more, so that's where I give it.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 13:38

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Dabir posted:

Now there's a good name for a band.

Shame Tim Farron and the Remnants of the Lib Dems are the ones that are actually small enough to BE a band, really.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 13:57

MrL_JaKiri: Sep 23, 2003; A bracing glass of carrot juice!

thespaceinvader posted:

Shame Tim Farron and the Remnants of the Lib Dems are the ones that are actually small enough to BE a band, really.

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds has as many members as the Lib Dems do

# ? Mar 13, 2016 14:31

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds has as many members as the Lib Dems do

And are less obnoxious on the ear.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 15:53

Venmoch: Jan 7, 2007; Either you pay me or I flay you alive... With my mind!

LemonDrizzle posted:

�1900 for ILR, oh my. It was �700 a few years ago, and that was annoying enough.

I just did the ILR with my wife and I think the fee was in the �1500 mark. That's for a single person with no dependants. Dependants are another �1500. Each.

That said, if you want the fancy premium service where you go to a UKBA office and submit everything in person, prepare to spend about another �400. (We decided not to and instead hired a lawyer.)

Even then, once you have ILR you then need to spend another �1000 in order to get citizenship and then you get to do useful stuff, like vote.

I think to this date, I've had to pay a rough combined total of �7000-�8000 in UKBA fees as well as Lawyer Fees in order to keep my wife in the UK. And that's for the initial Fianc�e Visa, The Marriage Visa (Which was declined by the UKBA and is a whole other post.), Appealing the UKBA's decision, Lawyer fees for representing us at the Tribunal, updating a Biometrics Card (It costs �500ish to change an address on a piece of plastic) and finally the ILR. My wifes been lucky as she arrived in the UK before a number of the changes went through and she's only here because I was getting paid fairly well and had support from friends and family.

Immigration is a loving racket pure and simple. The immigration system within the UK is incredibly primitive relying on hand written forms for everything and the UKBA give you no feedback while your application is processing. (And you can't request information on it while its processing unless you've already been waiting 6 months. Oh and its by post because we live in the 1950's) The UKBA appears to place huge reliance on the idea that expensive fees will deter people from coming to the UK. And if appeals are likely to be successful at tribunal will withdraw their decisions at the last minute so they're not found incorrect by a judge. (As that would make them look bad.)

None of this is ever held to account because the people who have to deal with it, don't have a loving vote and the people that do, don't see it as a problem until it affects someone they like. Also, Tory MP's are incredibly dismissive about how poo poo the immigration system is. I've tried with two MP's and both sent messages back basically saying "Immigration is working as intended."

# ? Mar 13, 2016 16:30

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Venmoch posted:

I think to this date, I've had to pay a rough combined total of �7000-�8000 in UKBA fees as well as Lawyer Fees in order to keep my wife in the UK. And that's for the initial Fianc�e Visa, The Marriage Visa (Which was declined by the UKBA and is a whole other post.),

Given we have an appointment for the 'we just got married so please don't deport my wife when her student visa runs out plz' in about a month, I would love to see this post :ohdear:

# ? Mar 13, 2016 16:54

EmptyVessel: Oct 30, 2012

Don't think I've seen this mentioned here before.
Anyone looking for somewhere potentially useful to punt money could do worse than here: https://www.crowdjustice.co.uk/case/nhs/

It's crowdfunding by Doctors and others to challenge Jeremy the "Hunt"'s godawful contract in court. Only 31 days left to make their stretch goal. Pass it on (unless you know a good reason why this is a bad idea, in which case please share it).

# ? Mar 13, 2016 16:58

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Jedit posted:

If you're only being charitable because it makes you feel good, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

What if I'm only being charitable because it makes another person feel good about me?

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:05

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

GaussianCopula posted:

What if I'm only being charitable because it makes another person feel good about me?

Is this you offering to autoban for us?

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:12

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Tesseraction posted:

Is this you offering to autoban for us?

I don't follow. In some social circles it's expected that you give back to society, which works much better when you support a local charity compared to donating to international charities. That was my initial reason for donating, otherwise I would probably never have started.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:18

Rush Limbo: Sep 5, 2005; its with a full house

If you're doing charity for any other reason than you've got something and somebody else needs it more then you're probably doing it wrong.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:21

Laradus: Feb 16, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

What if I'm only being charitable because it makes another person feel good about me?

If you want some suggestions to make others feel good about you i'm sure Ober can supply some.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:26

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

Venmoch posted:

I just did the ILR with my wife and I think the fee was in the �1500 mark. That's for a single person with no dependants. Dependants are another �1500. Each.

That said, if you want the fancy premium service where you go to a UKBA office and submit everything in person, prepare to spend about another �400. (We decided not to and instead hired a lawyer.)

Even then, once you have ILR you then need to spend another �1000 in order to get citizenship and then you get to do useful stuff, like vote.

I think to this date, I've had to pay a rough combined total of �7000-�8000 in UKBA fees as well as Lawyer Fees in order to keep my wife in the UK. And that's for the initial Fianc�e Visa, The Marriage Visa (Which was declined by the UKBA and is a whole other post.), Appealing the UKBA's decision, Lawyer fees for representing us at the Tribunal, updating a Biometrics Card (It costs �500ish to change an address on a piece of plastic) and finally the ILR. My wifes been lucky as she arrived in the UK before a number of the changes went through and she's only here because I was getting paid fairly well and had support from friends and family.

Immigration is a loving racket pure and simple. The immigration system within the UK is incredibly primitive relying on hand written forms for everything and the UKBA give you no feedback while your application is processing. (And you can't request information on it while its processing unless you've already been waiting 6 months. Oh and its by post because we live in the 1950's) The UKBA appears to place huge reliance on the idea that expensive fees will deter people from coming to the UK. And if appeals are likely to be successful at tribunal will withdraw their decisions at the last minute so they're not found incorrect by a judge. (As that would make them look bad.)

None of this is ever held to account because the people who have to deal with it, don't have a loving vote and the people that do, don't see it as a problem until it affects someone they like. Also, Tory MP's are incredibly dismissive about how poo poo the immigration system is. I've tried with two MP's and both sent messages back basically saying "Immigration is working as intended."

Fortress Britain

Even from the EU side it's pretty bad, I haven't applied for permanent residence because I was living from a youth hostel a few times in the last several years (deciding where to move, new flatmates for the next academic year, etc.). Which apparently doesn't count as continuous residence? Which is ... well maybe fair enough, but it's still incredibly lovely because I don't see what I did that was particularly wrong (beyond not having enough money that I can afford to sign a rental contract and only live there for a few months. Keeping in mind that as a foreigner you are expected to pay 6-12 months upfront).

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:39

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/708990684909473792

Why are your politicians such clowns? Like seriously, he makes it sound like he is doing his homework and writing a budget is actually done by him all on his own.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:44

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

GaussianCopula posted:

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/708990684909473792

Why are your politicians such clowns? Like seriously, he makes it sound like he is doing his homework and writing a budget is actually done by him all on his own.

All our politicans come from schools where you LARP as hogwarts students and trade bumsex to "swots" to have them write your Dark Arts homework.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:50

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

It's osborne, for all I know the budget is literally the result of whatever shapes of leftover coke remain on his desk after he's done "writing" it.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:55

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

GaussianCopula posted:

Why are your politicians such clowns? Like seriously, he makes it sound like he is doing his homework and writing a budget is actually done by him all on his own.

They're mostly just soulless heartless toffs trying to pretend to be real people who watch telly and make "humorous" "jokes" on the "twitter". Also what nopantsjack said.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:58

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds has as many members as the Lib Dems do

I would vote for Nick Cave before Nick Clegg, because at least Nick Cave smashed Kylie's head in with a rock.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:03

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
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When the night is calling
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When the night is calling

Venmoch posted:

I just did the ILR with my wife and I think the fee was in the �1500 mark. That's for a single person with no dependants. Dependants are another �1500. Each.

That said, if you want the fancy premium service where you go to a UKBA office and submit everything in person, prepare to spend about another �400. (We decided not to and instead hired a lawyer.)

Even then, once you have ILR you then need to spend another �1000 in order to get citizenship and then you get to do useful stuff, like vote.

I think to this date, I've had to pay a rough combined total of �7000-�8000 in UKBA fees as well as Lawyer Fees in order to keep my wife in the UK. And that's for the initial Fianc�e Visa, The Marriage Visa (Which was declined by the UKBA and is a whole other post.), Appealing the UKBA's decision, Lawyer fees for representing us at the Tribunal, updating a Biometrics Card (It costs �500ish to change an address on a piece of plastic) and finally the ILR. My wifes been lucky as she arrived in the UK before a number of the changes went through and she's only here because I was getting paid fairly well and had support from friends and family.

Immigration is a loving racket pure and simple. The immigration system within the UK is incredibly primitive relying on hand written forms for everything and the UKBA give you no feedback while your application is processing. (And you can't request information on it while its processing unless you've already been waiting 6 months. Oh and its by post because we live in the 1950's) The UKBA appears to place huge reliance on the idea that expensive fees will deter people from coming to the UK. And if appeals are likely to be successful at tribunal will withdraw their decisions at the last minute so they're not found incorrect by a judge. (As that would make them look bad.)

None of this is ever held to account because the people who have to deal with it, don't have a loving vote and the people that do, don't see it as a problem until it affects someone they like. Also, Tory MP's are incredibly dismissive about how poo poo the immigration system is. I've tried with two MP's and both sent messages back basically saying "Immigration is working as intended."

This is a major reason why my fiancee and I are having me move to America instead of her coming here. It's about $2000 all told (something around �1400 at today's exchange rate), plus moving costs etc., which is expensive but not beyond what we can scrape together. No way in hell could we pull together loving seven or eight grand. But as you say the whole thing's a racket pretty much wherever you go, designed to extort money out of people who have no other legal way to get something done. It should be three or four forms and bits of evidence and like �150/$200 that can be processed in two weeks, and for 98% of cases that would be more than sufficient.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:15

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

What the gently caress is up with the state of that loving Rod Liddle article in the Times.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:22

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

TinTower posted:

What the gently caress is up with the state of that loving Rod Liddle article in the Times.

Presumably, the fact that it's written by Rod "actual BNP defender" Liddle.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:24

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

nvm wrong thread.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:24

Not So Fast: Dec 27, 2007

GaussianCopula posted:

nvm wrong thread.

much like all your posts

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:41

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

GaussianCopula posted:

nvm wrong thread.

Is it that easy for you to mix up Something Awful and Stormfront?

# ? Mar 13, 2016 18:50

Venmoch: Jan 7, 2007; Either you pay me or I flay you alive... With my mind!

feedmegin posted:

Given we have an appointment for the 'we just got married so please don't deport my wife when her student visa runs out plz' in about a month, I would love to see this post

I'll put a full post on the marriage visa later but one piece of advice I'll give you.

If you can afford it, get a lawyer. I cannot stress this enough. Immigration rules and regulations are a nightmare of red tape and rules that can and will change based on what Teresa May had for breakfast.

A decent lawyer should be able to tell you exactly what paperwork you need, what you need to file and will also be able to file it for you. (The UKBA is terrible at letting you know what you need to attach to your application.)

Oh and if you're living together, get bills in both your names now. It's really handy for your application. Also a joint bank account doesn't hurt.

Venmoch fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Mar 13, 2016

# ? Mar 13, 2016 19:09

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

feedmegin posted:

Given we have an appointment for the 'we just got married so please don't deport my wife when her student visa runs out plz' in about a month, I would love to see this post

We're all contributing to the pollution of the glorious British culture and genome. And taking jobs from hard-working Britons. Should cease and desist really, after all the Tories have an immigration target and everything (which would cause below-replacement birth rates).

It's a travesty this, what we can get away with.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 19:45

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Venmoch posted:

I'll put a full post on the marriage visa later but one piece of advice I'll give you.

If you can afford it, get a lawyer. I cannot stress this enough. Immigration rules and regulations are a nightmare of red tape and rules that can and will change based on what Teresa May had for breakfast.

A decent lawyer should be able to tell you exactly what paperwork you need, what you need to file and will also be able to file it for you. (The UKBA is terrible at letting you know what you need to attach to your application.)

Oh and if you're living together, get bills in both your names now. It's really handy for your application. Also a joint bank account doesn't hurt.

Get a lawyer and use the premium service. It gives you a result very quickly in comparison.

It's a racket and every increase has a line somewhere that says that they increased it without any real need

Good companies will pay the visa fees as well and give you legal help

# ? Mar 13, 2016 20:00

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

quote:

A hedge fund manager worth around �660million will pay �8,000 a month in child support to the mother of his child.
But that isn�t the real story here. The real story is that the woman in question made a claim that included a �10,500 wine budget.

Hedge fund manager Chris Rokos was before the ruling paying �12,000 per month in child support to Veronica Antonio, Bloomberg reports.

The �4,000 cut from that figure was largely for Uber rides and swimming lessons.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 22:59

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Seems reasonable

# ? Mar 13, 2016 23:03

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

shrike82 posted:

Hedge fund manager pays child support

The real story there is that there is no story there.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 23:32

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

just tory boys doing tory things

# ? Mar 13, 2016 23:44

Weldon Pemberton: May 19, 2012

LemonDrizzle posted:

just tory boys doing tory things

... Is this man trying to win some sort of Poe's Law related award?

Crack down on the farms to make them pay minimum wage and employ the thousands of work-aged people who don't have a loving job. I would have gladly have gone and done this when I was in that position instead of applying for endless supermarket and cleaning jobs. We already have this surplus of unemployed people who want to work, we don't need to drag the poor OAPs out of retirement for peanuts. If you really want the immigrants to have no incentive to work there, then enforce the minimum wage thing harshly and start punishing people who offer to work for less with a fine for contributing to wage depreciation. Maybe even invest in some social housing near big farms so people can migrate from areas with no opportunities more easily, or just build more farms in the North.

Weldon Pemberton fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Mar 14, 2016

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Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

LemonDrizzle posted:

just tory boys doing tory things

And, George. Not or.

# ? Mar 14, 2016 00:03

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