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Fister Roboto posted:Sounds like a dark twist on Star Trek's "nobody has to work if they don't want to, but they still do because humans are just so darn swell" utopian crap. Why is this crap? Sure, some people are content sitting around their mom's basement for their entire lives, but by and large the majority of humanity isn't content to do nothing with their time.
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I'm not sure how tightly rationed Basic is. Big things like housing and medical care are, but I remember at least one passage mentioning that Basic clothes are freely available from vending machines. Also, I'm pretty sure that having dependants affects at least some rations. I recall a character having to move because their kid went off to college, leaving their apartment with fewer people than it was rated for.
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Kesper North posted:The James S. A. Corey twitter account (which is run by Ty Franck iirc) tweeted a mild but glorious spoiler for next season: Yessssssss
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Toast Museum posted:I'm not sure how tightly rationed Basic is. Big things like housing and medical care are, but I remember at least one passage mentioning that Basic clothes are freely available from vending machines. Also, I'm pretty sure that having dependants affects at least some rations. I recall a character having to move because their kid went off to college, leaving their apartment with fewer people than it was rated for. You can also game the system, that's why Holden has eight parents.
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Boing posted:Why is this crap? Sure, some people are content sitting around their mom's basement for their entire lives, but by and large the majority of humanity isn't content to do nothing with their time. Because the problem as presented in the Expanse isn't that not everyone wants to work, it's that not everyone CAN work. Useful employment is in short supply, especially at the bottom of a gravity well. I just assume that the Federation has a lot of ditch diggers.
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Fister Roboto posted:Because the problem as presented in the Expanse isn't that not everyone wants to work, it's that not everyone CAN work. Useful employment is in short supply, especially at the bottom of a gravity well. My assumption is that the Federations art grants are very generous.
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Demiurge4 posted:My assumption is that the Federations art grants are very generous.
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Fister Roboto posted:I just assume that the Federation has a lot of ditch diggers. The Federation's socialism works only because there's no (apparent) resource limitation when it comes to basic necessities. Your magical microwave can just beep boop you up a hot meal out of particle mush meaning there's no need for a supply chain or agriculture except in the case of people who prefer "real" products. On Trek's Earth, you can get basic necessities by just pooping, pissing and recycling your dirty shirt, because those particles are going to get replicated back into the next guy's basic necessities right away. The Expanse clearly points out that the nature of the Earth/Mars/Belter conflict is rooted in resource exploitation, with the politics stemming from that concept. Basically Trek is post-economics because there's no scarcity to worry about.
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Kesper North posted:The James S. A. Corey twitter account (which is run by Ty Franck iirc) tweeted a mild but glorious spoiler for next season:  YeeeeesssssssssssTortolia posted:Yessssssss
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Demiurge4 posted:Individual ambition is a thing but basic applies to a person and you don't get more for having kids. It's not like Soviet Russia where entire communities were built around unemployment and having as many kids as possible to get more money from the state. Everyone gets the same regardless so there's no incentive to overbreed which I assume counters most of the negatives from such a system, in fact having kids probably reduces your standard of living and I'd guess that contraceptives are universally free and easily obtained. If you are on basic you are on contraceptives by force, they go into some detail on Amos's thing. Amos is not actually on basic since he is an unsanctioned child. So people on basic aren't actually the worst-off underclass.
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DarkCrawler posted:If you are on basic you are on contraceptives by force, they go into some detail on Amos's thing. Amos is not actually on basic since he is an unsanctioned child. So people on basic aren't actually the worst-off underclass. But Amos is an educated engineer so there are obviously ways for even 'unsanctioned' children to move up. Excluding people from the system would make the whole thing pointless so I'm pretty sure Amos was able to get on basic the moment he approached a government office.
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Some great discussion about a TV show that had 1 season so far in this thread.
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Demiurge4 posted:But Amos is an educated engineer so there are obviously ways for even 'unsanctioned' children to move up. Excluding people from the system would make the whole thing pointless so I'm pretty sure Amos was able to get on basic the moment he approached a government office. lol
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Yeah not to be that guy but talking about background detail of basic or political situations is different than actual character circumstances that haven't been in the show yet.
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I thought this show was ok, but not very good. The pacing was pretty bad and the editing was pretty bad and a lot of the time the acting was wooden and pretty bad and I didn't really connect with the characters very well and the plots were just not that interesting for most of the season. Still, I did watch the entire thing and the last episode seemed to take the show in some weird directions so that was good
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Demiurge4 posted:But Amos is an educated engineer so there are obviously ways for even 'unsanctioned' children to move up. Excluding people from the system would make the whole thing pointless so I'm pretty sure Amos was able to get on basic the moment he approached a government office. They actually bring this up in Amos' short story - almost anyone unsanctioned can do pretty much that. The only thing is, that means they become monitored and can't carry on any grey market (and untaxed I guess) employment that might be giving their life meaning. Amos... doesn't do that E: Well, more than that. It's the difference between having -any- money and maybe a decent coffee a few times a week, instead of subsisting on ration tickets. Strategic Tea fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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I'm not even sure it's rations so much as uninteresting food. Like, eat as much nutritionally complete reconstituted food product as you want. Now with flavor!*
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Star Trek really isn't comparable because in that universe humans have the ability to easily travel throughout a significant portion of the galaxy. Also, replicators.
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Chrisjen Avaserala has been elected President of the United Federation of Planets by Justin "2 Fast, Not 2 Star Trek Though" Lin in a surprise last-minute character addition and reshoot for Star Trek Beyond 
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Hopefully she can get in on that hardcore extreme James T. Kirk dirtbike jump explosion scene. That's going to be one lovely movie.
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johnsonrod posted:Hopefully she can get in on that hardcore extreme James T. Kirk dirtbike jump explosion scene. Eh. It will be mindless and mostly fun. Just like Star Trek always has been.
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flosofl posted:Eh. It will be mindless and mostly fun. Just like Star Trek always has been. Everything since the reboot has been mindless. However, although there has definitely been some bad movies, bad episodes and even bad series over the years, the best Star Trek has been anything but mindless. TNG and DS9 dealt with some pretty serious moral and ethical issues in many of it's story arcs, especially for the time they were made. Cloning, genetic engineering, gender identity, racism, PTSD, personhood and genocide just to name a few. The new Star Trek reboot was a mildly entertaining action movie with a Trek skin. The second one wasn't even good at that and from the look of the trailer the third one is going to be even worse.  Sorry, Star Trek nerd rant over.
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johnsonrod posted:Everything since the reboot has been mindless. However, although there has definitely been some bad movies, bad episodes and even bad series over the years, the best Star Trek has been anything but mindless. TNG and DS9 dealt with some pretty serious moral and ethical issues in many of it's story arcs, especially for the time they were made. Cloning, genetic engineering, gender identity, racism, PTSD, personhood and genocide just to name a few. There's nothing wrong with the new movies that hadn't been going wrong as far back as the TNG flicks starting with First Contact, it's only a matter of degree and whether or not the flashy newness is enough to cover up the emptiness of the whole thing for you, that said The Expanse is basically the polar opposite of that weak poo poo and that's why I want to buy model kits of it's spaceships instead e: although now that the loving Wrath of Khan guy is working on the new show there is a possibility this show might be on at the same time as a decent Star Trek. Weird.
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flosofl posted:Eh. It will be mindless and mostly fun. Just like Star Trek always has been. I can't believe this actually worked on someone.
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So I've been listening to the Leviathan Wakes audiobook (book 1) and I'm a little past the end of the show now. Finally got the explanation of the protomolecule and I REALLY wish it had made it into season 1 of the show. It would've made me a lot more positive about the finale and answered some serious questions while offering a lot of promise. I do wonder how the show will cover it though since in the book they literally find a video where a villain infodumps about the entire plot for some reason. The main shocker in the adaptation is how much they added to the show. The Roci crew are barely characters in the book, everyone just works together and follows Holden's lead, there's none of the clashing personalities or distrust. So strange for a live action adaptation to ADD characterisation rather than take it away! Definitely makes me want to rewatch the show, I think you would get more out of it knowing the source material. To be honest I probably wouldn't have liked either Game of Thrones OR ASOIAF without the two of them to compliment each other... Also: glad they cut the vomit zombies though. And the words "vomit zombie". tooterfish posted:The opening doesn't take place in the Scopuli by the way... I'm not sure how you missed that, there's an entire episode spent on that reveal. I still haven't had a chance to check out Battlestar. It's not on any streaming services, right? Agronox posted:I can't believe this actually worked on someone.
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Agronox posted:I can't believe this actually worked on someone. I know, right?
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Sounds like they put BSG onto Hulu recently, though I also see reports of people using proxies to watch on Netflix UK to avoid ads.
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Agronox posted:I can't believe this actually worked on someone. It seemed like a normal comment from someone who's been a pretty active and decent poster in this thread so far. I guess he got me though. Tortolia posted:Sounds like they put BSG onto Hulu recently, though I also see reports of people using proxies to watch on Netflix UK to avoid ads. I've been doing a BSG rewatch since The Expanse ended and I'm just about done the second season. I'd be hard pressed to pick which series I like better. BSG started stronger with the miniseries and the first couple episodes of season 1, but the mid season had some weak spots. Hopefully, The Expanse pulls off a good second season. johnsonrod fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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I must say that after a first season I was more into BSG than I am now into the Expanse. However this only proves how strong BSG was. And even with a couple of lovely episodes and useless plot lines I still believe it is one of the strongest (sci-fi) TV shows ever created. BSG had certain elements that I will remember forever, like a couple of the space fights, with the Adama Maneuver solidly on top. All of this supported by a super strong soundtrack. The Expanse takes a more minimalist approach, focusing on a smaller cast. And while the sense of danger in BSG was turned up straight from the first episode (ESPECIALLY in the first regular episode, 33), the Expanse seems to take its time before we are really going to understand how important all of this really is. Mars has still not been featured and it is still not completely clear who "the enemy" is.
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I forget, is there a book thread? This show probably doesn't get enough traffic to warrant a separate spoiler thread, but I'm not sure I want to clog up this thread with a bunch of spoiler tags. I've been re-reading the books and have some guesses about changes they might make for the show.
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There is the space opera thread, but I think it's a bad fit for taking about expanse adaptation. Either one is fine I think, just clearly tag it 'book spoilers' in here.
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gently caress it, I'll put it here. Book one/two adaptation speculation: With Jules-Pierre Mao being introduced early, it occurred to me that they might use him in place of Antony Dresden. Miller killing Mao would give Clarissa at least as much reason to go after Holden as his imprisonment would, if the show gets that far. I'm not sure who they'd put at the top of the Ganymede stuff from book two, though, unless they change the timeline so it's more concurrent with the events of the first book. Given that they've teased introducing Bobbie in season two, that does seem like a possibility to me.
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A good poster posted:From what I gathered from skimming the first couple of books looking for how they describe basic assistance, you just get enough to keep from starving, but no money. I'm guessing you'd get a mattress in a zero-bedroom apartment in the middle of an arcology somewhere, a couple sets of clothing, an allotment of water and bread and nutrient paste to live on, and there's a whole world of consumer goods and services for The Better Half that you can never enjoy, because everything still costs money. I can't imagine the sort of riots that had to happen to get the powers that be to start providing assistance for ten billion+ souls. Or was that Peter F Hamilton's version? Demiurge4 posted:Individual ambition is a thing but basic applies to a person and you don't get more for having kids. It's not like Soviet Russia where entire communities were built around unemployment and having as many kids as possible to get more money from the state. Washington Post article which gushes over how loving a father Finicum was posted:He had a vast family that included 11 children and, over the years, roughly 50 foster children. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Demiurge4 posted:But Amos is an educated engineer so there are obviously ways for even 'unsanctioned' children to move up. Excluding people from the system would make the whole thing pointless so I'm pretty sure Amos was able to get on basic the moment he approached a government office. Churn ending spoilers (as vague and unspoilery I can keep them for people who still may want to read it): Amos worked for a nasty criminal, a guy who was powerful and influential enough to have a pet ID hacker on staff. At the end of the story Amos ends up in possession of the boss' "escape plan" identity, which IIRC includes an apprenticeship on an outgoing spaceship.
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Evernoob posted:who "the enemy" is. Human nature.
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I heard that The Expanse is out on DVD? Is that true?
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bring back old gbs posted:
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Milky Moor posted:I heard that The Expanse is out on DVD? Is that true? Blu-ray/DVD was released Tuesday.
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jared harris is fuckin spectacular. edit: i'd have drinks with anderson dawes and he could recruit me all he wanted, as long as he just kept on doing monologues. spaceships fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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spaceships posted:jared harris is fuckin spectacular. The scene between him and Miller where tells him what Julie Mao would really think about him is a thing of beauty.
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