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MrL_JaKiri posted:Almost all healing spells are terrible. That no-one else gets any better spells is immaterial, it's not an MMO style tank+healer+dps paradigm. Suspicious posted:No metal item of any sort isn't a drawback, it's crippling. It's sawing off your two legs just for kicks. The only thing worse is the wizard slayer's no magical item of any kind. For such an extreme con, you'd expect amazing pros, right? Something like the kensai? Nope. Animal summons that quickly become useless fodder, even in BG1. Innate summon familiar? Yay! +4 HP! Sure wish I could wear full plate armor though so I wouldn't need it in the first place. Like there's only so much good gear in BG1. Regardless of Good/Evil party composition, the two Ankheg plates and magical plate are in pretty big demand by fighters and clerics, and you would probably never have anyone carrying a magic staff in the front lines, so it's a bit of a waste to palm it off to whatever mage you bring along. Sure, by BG2 you can have pretty much any gear you can think of for everyone, but even there your choices keep up. And hey +hp is +hp, especially at level 1.
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Woolie Wool posted:It turned out the bug was an issue I had with BG2Tweaks and I fixed it. How important are the prefab party members anyway? Imoen doesn't seem to have any conversation trees. Conversation is very light in BG1. You'll get the rare quip within a dialogue tree and most of the fun is their responses to being clicked on and fighting. BG2 has actual conversation trees and relationships. If you're gonna use the prefab NPCs, do it in BG2.
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In BG1 they're mostly there to give a bit more shape to the story for first-timers, really. You'll normally run into people about an area or two from where a quest is. Same's mainly true of BG2 but there's a bit more to them. If you're spoiling yourself with a walkthrough or something then I'd say they're alright for a bit of audio variety but not terribly necessary.
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jBrereton posted:Um yes they can? They have Cure X Wounds, which is literally The Healing Spell for most of BG1 at least, and then whatever Mass Cure Light Wounds is called in BG2 (I can't remember off the top of my head) and eventually Mass Heal. Except for Mass Cure and Heal, potions are more efficient at healing than Cure X spells (basically every healing spell has a long cast time to boot). Hell, the best healing thing, Rod of Resurrection, doesn't give a poo poo what class you are using it with.
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jBrereton posted:Yeah but they're super convenient unless you're playing the Really Fun Style of just going to sleep all the loving time and probably savescumming if you get an encounter that's a little bit too hard for you. No casting range: touch spell with a casting time of 5 will ever be super convenient. Its only real use is making sure you don't rest for a month if you have "Rest until healed" turned on.
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Woolie Wool posted:It turned out the bug was an issue I had with BG2Tweaks and I fixed it. How important are the prefab party members anyway? Imoen doesn't seem to have any conversation trees. In BG1, some of them have quests attached to them and that's about it. Note that some NPCs will ask you to do things (like Montaron & Xzar and Jaheira & Khalid wanting to go to Nashkel), those aren't actual quests to resolve with rewards. Minsc or Edwin wanting you to find Dynaheir is, though. Also pick up Imoen. Just do it. She's very plot important in BG2, and you'll be glad you went through BG1 with her.
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I realized that I've never done a full SCS runthrough of BG1 with the cannon party. In fact I don't think I ever did a run through with the cannon party, time to give it a go with full SCS turned on. Heres to hoping it won't die on the vine like my all mage runthrough, that was hard as balls in BG1. edit: what was the charname cannon race/class in the books? He was 7 feet tall and has blue hair???? edit2: apparently he's just a regular human fighter with 22 con. Kind of crap, I'll give it a try but it might be pretty tough to beat SCS with this party. edit3: Abdel is a pre-generated character at the top of the list, huh, who knew. Washout fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Washout posted:I realized that I've never done a full SCS runthrough of BG1 with the cannon party. In fact I don't think I ever did a run through with the cannon party, time to give it a go with full SCS turned on. Heres to hoping it won't die on the vine like my all mage runthrough, that was hard as balls in BG1. its not tough, (well first time ever through scs is but still) i've been through with a canon party tons of times with different versions of scs. i always play human fighter with poo poo stats, like a 17 for str and i up his wis and int for no reason.  then again, i always dual imoen, make dynaheir a sorc and i think i had a mod that make khalid the shittist fighter/mage there was but in the end he held his own. oh and last time through i made minsc a half-orc for no other reason than a portrait replacement i used that gave him dreadlocks. Vikar Jerome fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Vikar Jerome posted:its not tough, (well first time ever through scs is but still) i've been through with a canon party tons of times with different versions of scs. i always play human fighter with poo poo stats, like a 17 for str and i up his wis and int for no reason. I just grabbed the pre-generated Abdel from the begining screen, 17str and 16con, pretty much a useless mook.
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Canon party is pretty good. Khalid is a very good archer who can also use varscona early on for a good melee weapon. Minsc isn't very good, but at least his strength actually matters in BG1, unlike in BG2 Dynaheir isn't a great mage; as an invoker she can't cast enchantment spells, including the amazingly good (for the first half of the game anyway) sleep. But even a somewhat gimped specialist mage is still very good Jaheira I've never been able to make into a great NPC in BG1, although I adore her and she does finally become great in BG2. In BG1, I tend to use her as a healer + dart thrower. She doesn't really have anything better to do, and breaking out the darts of stunning / poison for tough fights is pretty effecive. Arguably dart skill is non-canon. Imoen is your thief; I'd probably dual her to mage at level five to minimize downtime (and consider borrowing another thief in the interim). After dual, she is a very effective mage and rounds out the party nicely. Arguably early-dual is non-canon --- The biggest issue is lack of a cleric, which robs you of tons of good spells (command, hold, silence, probably a bunch of others I'm forgetting), but it's not the end of the world or anything. Another issue is there are lots of people who would like to use the dex gauntlets but only one to go around...
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Minsc is pretty fun but he will not travel without Dynaheir. I must arrange her death.
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Woolie Wool posted:Minsc is pretty fun but he will not travel without Dynaheir. I must arrange her death. I did the same. I rationalized what he says in BG2 as his brain damage making him forget exactly when and where Dynaheir died.
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Woolie Wool posted:Minsc is pretty fun but he will not travel without Dynaheir. I must arrange her death. I think 99% of people kill her off.
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You monsters.
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Big Sean posted:Imoen is your thief; I'd probably dual her to mage at level five to minimize downtime (and consider borrowing another thief in the interim). After dual, she is a very effective mage and rounds out the party nicely. Arguably early-dual is non-canon How high do open locks/detect traps ever get? I'm afraid that if I dual her to mage her thief skills won't be able to keep up with the increasing difficulty of locks and traps.
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Big Sean posted:You monsters. She'd be okay if she wasn't specialized as an Evoker and if I wasn't an irredeemable sidequest whore who has to keep a rotating slot in the party to do absolutely everyone's quests. EDIT: ^^^ Get her up to 100 in each and you'll be good for everything- there's no inherent difficulty in traps or locks in Baldur's Gate, I think. I'm afraid she won't be able to used those skills until she's gotten her Mage levels up to her Thief levels- that's what stopped me from dual-classing her when I played. Kavak fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Set traps, find traps, open locks, and detect illusion all work on a simple 0-100 scale. Hit max and you're set: you'll be able to do everything. The stealth skills (which in BG are interchangeable and averaged to get your actual stealth score - 100 HiS and 0 MS is exactly the same as 50/50) seem to be meant to be on the same simple scale, but there are enough circumstance penalties going around that you need to be a fair way beyond 100 to be sure you can always conceal yourself. Armour penalises you, as does standing in full light. Pickpocketing does not seem to work on that scale, if only because there are NPCs in BG2 who need a >200 score to be successfully pickpocketed. However, if you raise it beyond 255, you'll get an overflow and wrap back around to a terrible pickpocket score again. Handle with care.
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Woolie Wool posted:How high do open locks/detect traps ever get? I'm afraid that if I dual her to mage her thief skills won't be able to keep up with the increasing difficulty of locks and traps. I put all her points into find trap and open lock and dualed her at level 5 and don't remember anything I couldn't deal with. You can (and probably should) carry around some master thievery / perception potions so if you run into trouble you can always use those. There is also a potion that gives 25 strength for one day that can be used in an emergency (I somehow managed to get Imoen killed both times I went through candlekeep dungeon with her). That all said, I've only played BG1 no-reload and always been too big a wimp to go into durlag's tower, where I gather traps + locks may need up to 100 skill. So if she isn't at 100/100 by level 5, you may want to give her another level (although the additional downtime will be painful). None of the other skills are worth investing in in BG1 imo, at least with Imoen.
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You absolutely need 100 trap skill in Durlag's if you want to disarm everything, but if you know where the traps are you can walk around or facetank the hardest to disarm ones.
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Roll deep with Khalid, Jahiera, Imoen, and my elf boys Kivan and Xan. Edwin's a better mage but eehhhh. fyi for anyone who doesn't know, Kivan is basically the best archer ever and if you give him the good archery poo poo he will murder anything and everything with sniper rifle precision and machine gun speed.
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I got annoyed when I realized I'd have to keep Kivan to the end of the game so he could kill Tazok. I have no idea why I ever wanted to get rid of him.
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With 48 HP, an AC of -2, and a THAC0 of 12 with sword and board, is my paladin ready to switch from relying on the bow to face-tanking in melee? Also I'm only 14 hours into the game, I've started the fourth chapter (and somehow survived having horror cast on half my party by the mage in the boss tent), and I'm at level 4 and I think the original cap was 6. How long is this game and how many sidequests are there?
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That AC isn't great. I wouldn't tank anything unless you have to. Just kite around with him while your party feathers everything.
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I can get my fighter up to AC -5 with a THAC0 of 9 by giving her my paladin's equipment but I'm worried that would leave him too vulnerable (AC of 1, THAC0 pretty lovely). Right now they're about equal. E: I can counter by taking the cleric's DEX gloves away, since he's probably not supposed to tank anyway. Or dump the cleric's CHA and make him a humongous rear end in a top hat, and pump his DEX in EE Keeper, to make the gloves unnecessary. What is the highest acceptable AC for a melee tank at lower levels? Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Oh man, giving jahera all of drizzits equipment turns her into a monster, this is pretty great.
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Woolie Wool posted:I can get my fighter up to AC -5 with a THAC0 of 9 by giving her my paladin's equipment but I'm worried that would leave him too vulnerable (AC of 1, THAC0 pretty lovely). Right now they're about equal. I think you're maybe approaching the game from a modern perspective, which will make it a bit harder for you to get into. BG1 at the start is lethal, you should not be tanking at all. Use hit & run tactics and crowd control instead.
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Washout posted:Oh man, giving jahera all of drizzits equipment turns her into a monster, this is pretty great. As icing on the cake, the Realms are free of that munchkin Gary Stu! I wish you could do the same with Elminster.
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Woolie Wool posted:I can get my fighter up to AC -5 with a THAC0 of 9 by giving her my paladin's equipment but I'm worried that would leave him too vulnerable (AC of 1, THAC0 pretty lovely). Right now they're about equal. You should definitely give your paladin the gloves of dexterity. You've got enough levels now that you can tank some if ya like, but many fights can still be solved by application of brutal crowd control. Web, horror and whatever the level 2 gas spell is will do the job. Assuming you're playing the enhanced edition, you should have the expansion installed so the level cap is 7-8, depending on class.
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I kinda feel like starting the game with full SCS and a nature themed party. Problem is, there's no option to multi or dual ranger or druid with thief or mage, sadly 
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The ui changes in the ee betas are so bad I thought they must be placeholder and was like wow how are they going to get these done for launch. It's loving garbage. Also don't like that the ai scripts are set to use spells and abilities by default. Sure jaheria turn into a bear that's super great. I hope the old versions are still available after the patches come out or I will have to filez them to have non retarded ui design.
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Woolie Wool posted:I can get my fighter up to AC -5 with a THAC0 of 9 by giving her my paladin's equipment but I'm worried that would leave him too vulnerable (AC of 1, THAC0 pretty lovely). Right now they're about equal. MrL_JaKiri posted:it's not an MMO style tank+healer+dps paradigm.
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Big Sean posted:Dynaheir isn't a great mage; as an invoker she can't cast enchantment spells, including the amazingly good (for the first half of the game anyway) sleep. But even a somewhat gimped specialist mage is still very good Dynaheir can cast Sleep, she needs to use a wand to do it, but it's there in High Hedge. It's fairly cheap by wand standards too.
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Ilyich posted:Dynaheir can cast Sleep, she needs to use a wand to do it, but it's there in High Hedge. It's fairly cheap by wand standards too. Any character in the game can use that wand.
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Minsc and Yeslick can't, they don't have enough Intelligence. Wizard Slayer PC's can't use it either. Edit. I like giving it to Dynaheir whenever she's in my party (Not often, since I mainly do solo runs now) so she can contribute to fights early on. Once you get to the Gate, Sleep is largely obsolete, but she'll have other options by then. biscuits and crazy fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Ilyich posted:Minsc and Yeslick can't, they don't have enough Intelligence. Wizard Slayer PC's can't use it either. Ok
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Dyna Soar posted:I kinda feel like starting the game with full SCS and a nature themed party. Problem is, there's no option to multi or dual ranger or druid with thief or mage, sadly I am doing a similar run with an eye towards doing BGII with it as well, as I have never been able to resist the evil NCPs in II. I just have Imoen as my thief (soon to be mage), her BGII portrait looks hippyish enough to work on Team Natureboy
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Kavak posted:What'd they screw up specifically? Like everything other then the main game view. I kinda dig the world map changes but the rest is just awful.
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bongwizzard posted:Like everything other then the main game view. I kinda dig the world map changes but the rest is just awful. What I could see in the streams looked fine, although the color scheme is lame.
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So what the gently caress are melee weapons and shields even good for then?
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