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El Disco posted:How in the hell does that even work? FCS upgrades aren't supposed to change the dispersion. They're talking about the module you can purchase down under the "Upgrades" tab, not the researchable one that many ships have. It is, however, supposedly only -7% dispersion which, while nice, should not be radically affecting your hits on average. At least assuming that is exactly and all it does... not like Wargaming has been known to incorrectly or disingenuously label stuff in the past or anything. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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When you can send out a salvo only once every 30-40 seconds it makes sense to equip anything that might cause a shell to hit where it might have otherwise missed. It doesn't cost that much, all things considered. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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Ever since the update I'm not able to join the battle until its 1 to 3 minutes into the round. Or maybe that was always the case and I just never noticed. Oh god, this machine can barely handle warships can it?
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Lord Koth posted:They're talking about the module you can purchase down under the "Upgrades" tab, not the researchable one that many ships have. Yeah, it confused me because the one you research is called FCS while the one you stick in the upgrade slot is called Artillery Plotting Room. I'm still surprised that the 7% is making such a huge difference on the Izumo. Wargaming loving things up so it has like double the effect on the Izumo would actually make more sense  RandomPauI posted:Ever since the update I'm not able to join the battle until its 1 to 3 minutes into the round. Or maybe that was always the case and I just never noticed. Oh god, this machine can barely handle warships can it? Do you have Microsoft Security Essentials installed? If so, add the WoWS folder to the exception list.
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So I heard soviet cruisers are now in the game. What are they like?
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Magni posted:So I heard soviet cruisers are now in the game. What are they like? It's looking like they will be broadly similar to the German cruisers - poorly armored but shooty with good range and velocity. Of course there are exceptions - the Tier X will probably be extremely rugged (for a cruiser) and has as much hp as a Nagato class battleship. Bigger guns than any other cruiser (220mm) and a healthy rate of fire. However, its almost as big as a Yamato, turns like a pregnant hippo and is spotted from something like 16km away. The Tier 8+ ships will have some kind of magic radar that spots all ships within like 10km for 30 seconds. American cruisers will probably also get this radar at the end-game tiers. The Tier V looks like it could be a great ship - 180mm guns in triple turrets, but the rate of fire is low. I'm curious if anyone has heard rumors about the next season of ranked. Like specifically what tiers will be needed. All I have heard is that they may institute penalties for AFK/Suiciding ships, and reward people who have a great game but are on the losing side. The only tier 9 in my inventory is the Kagero, and id really like to sell it to free up some silver. I would be good to go if Tier X was finally involved - I have the Zao, Yamato, and now Shimakaze. Im considering plinking away at the US BB line, or German (even Russian) cruisers, but im kinda poor in terms of silver.
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I really doubt Ranked will ever be higher than T8. I suspect Clan Wars, whenever that happens, may include the top tiers, but not Ranked.
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Magni posted:So I heard soviet cruisers are now in the game. What are they like? Here's a video of the tier X by PhlyDaily. Definitely some non-stellar gameplay but you can see it in action. 22.6km range with the +16% range upgrade. 
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It's absolutely loving unreasonable how much his attempts to pronounce the name irritate me.
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El Disco posted:Here's a video of the tier X by PhlyDaily. Definitely some non-stellar gameplay but you can see it in action. 22.6km range with the +16% range upgrade. Also you can have radar and defensive fire at the same time, at least with the Moskva.
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Mar 13, 2016 19:47
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Soviet ships being well noted historically for their superior radar equipment and gunnery
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NTRabbit posted:Soviet ships being well noted historically for their superior radar equipment and gunnery the american high tier CAs are getting surveillance radar too so there's that
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NTRabbit posted:Soviet ships being well noted historically for their superior radar equipment and gunnery Soviet cruisers being well known for the big role they played in the game's timeframe
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Reality being well known for being a vital component for fun.
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ArchangeI posted:Soviet cruisers being well known for the big role they played in the game's timeframe Certainly a much bigger role than the Royal Navy, Marine Nationale, or Regia Marina, else they'd have been chosen first. Looking forward to the trees for the equally important People's Liberation Army Navy, which is surely due next. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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ArchangeI posted:Soviet cruisers being well known for the big role they played in the game's timeframe German cruisers being known for existing in some form whether real or on paper
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I'm starting to think that these battles I've been playing, each side containing ships from multiple nations (often in opposition to other ships of the SAME nation), may not have occurred in real life.
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Just looking at the Soviet cruisers in game, the tier 3 Bogatyr seems kinda promising, superficially. Got a really healthy amount of gun barrels sticking out of it, both primary and secondary. Might give the St. Lou a good fight over the throne of King Shell Vomit of Artillery Mountain for the lower tiers. Also it looks loving badass.
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James Garfield posted:German cruisers being known for existing in some form whether real or on paper Given that the Soviet cruiser line manages to have even more paper/non-existent ships than the German one, I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing here? Huge chunks of their DD line is paper as well - again even the Germans will probably have more actual ships in their DD tech tree. I mean, the the third line of ships released should have been the Royal Navy regardless, but even the Germans had a more relevant navy than the Soviets.
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From what I saw, five Russian cruisers are real versus five German cruisers. I'm not sure why everyone wants the Royal Navy so badly. Yes, the Russian navy wasn't especially relevant until the Cold War. But the Royal Navy was only relevant if you consider getting a whole bunch of ships sunk in every ocean across the globe relevance.
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Minenfeld! posted:But the Royal Navy was only relevant if you consider getting a whole bunch of ships sunk in every ocean across the globe relevance. I don't know anything about history, and I'm not willing to learn 
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Given the way Wargaming works, it's a small wonder the Tier X Russian Cruiser isn't getting SS-N-1s.
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Lord Koth posted:Given that the Soviet cruiser line manages to have even more paper/non-existent ships than the German one, I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing here? Huge chunks of their DD line is paper as well - again even the Germans will probably have more actual ships in their DD tech tree. I am pretty sure all the Soviet cruisers are at least real paper designs; the German tier 9 and 10 are entirely designed by Wargaming. It wouldn't be that annoying, except they prioritized Wargaming-designed ships over ships that actually existed and the fictional German ships are super generic and boring.
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James Garfield posted:I am pretty sure all the Soviet cruisers are at least real paper designs; the German tier 9 and 10 are entirely designed by Wargaming. It wouldn't be that annoying, except they prioritized Wargaming-designed ships over ships that actually existed and the fictional German ships are super generic and boring. The Roon is actually pretty cool, I feel like it's different than the other high-tier cruisers (both in good and bad ways). No opinion on the Hindenburg though.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Given the way Wargaming works, it's a small wonder the Tier X Russian Cruiser isn't getting SS-N-1s. Krogort posted:Obviously Aircraft Carrier > all because.
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I don't really get the whole "complaining about ship lines not being realistic" thing. Ship lines and tiers in and of themselves are not realistic. Also, a real warship simulator would not be much fun to play. I'd rather not have to perform fire control calculus on one of these: 
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ALSO it's enjoyable to see everyone pine for RN battleships since the easiest retort is that most of their line was known for getting their poo poo pushed in across the globe in the latter century. (Do WoWS players really want to play another Izumo-type battleship? 'Cuz here's the Nelson class for you!) 
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How successful they were or weren't is completely loving irrelevant, I want them because I'm a shameless anglophile and think their military stuff is really rad. Which is all that matters because this is a goddamn videogame. Also that ship looks badass as hell.
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French would be better. It's a crying shame the French haven't been added.
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I wish they'd put the Ise class in, aircraft carrier upgrades and all. Also I have no idea why I'm doing so much better with the tier VI BBs than I ever did with tier V and lower.
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I would support the French being added solely for the Le Fantasque-class.
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Nordick posted:Also that ship looks badass as hell. Save for the fact that the entire thing looks like one huge citadel, sure. I think the only thing that *wouldn't* be a citadel hitbox would be the fo'c'sle.
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Pacra posted:ALSO it's enjoyable to see everyone pine for RN battleships since the easiest retort is that most of their line was known for getting their poo poo pushed in across the globe in the latter century. Whats wrong with that? It would actually be the most armored and hated bb in the game. Just because it fires all guns forward and pointing your nose at things makes it difficult for the ship to collect hits itself.
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JuffoWup posted:Whats wrong with that? It would actually be the most armored and hated bb in the game. Just because it fires all guns forward and pointing your nose at things makes it difficult for the ship to collect hits itself. #3 battery is recessed - only two would fire forward simultaneously - you'd need to succumb to Colorado Syndrome to bring all three to bear, but it'd be easier to 'serpentine' back and forth.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:#3 battery is recessed - only two would fire forward simultaneously - you'd need to succumb to Colorado Syndrome to bring all three to bear, but it'd be easier to 'serpentine' back and forth. Right, I didn't mean dead forward, but since it points forward already, you can dance the nose and keep all 3 turrets going. Meanwhile, your profile is horrible to shoot back at.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:#3 battery is recessed - only two would fire forward simultaneously - you'd need to succumb to Colorado Syndrome to bring all three to bear, but it'd be easier to 'serpentine' back and forth. All I can think about when you say 'serpentine' is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpNU3WumPFQ orange juche fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Save for the fact that the entire thing looks like one huge citadel, sure. I think the only thing that *wouldn't* be a citadel hitbox would be the fo'c'sle. Nahh, actually the citadel is an unusually short fraction of the waterline. Short enough that the USN had no idea how they made the ship work because they considered armoring a certain fraction of the waterline essential.
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xthetenth posted:Nahh, actually the citadel is an unusually short fraction of the waterline. Short enough that the USN had no idea how they made the ship work because they considered armoring a certain fraction of the waterline essential. If its citadel and heavily armored portions are so small, German cruisers are going to turn that thing into mincemeat. German AP does very nasty things to thin armor on BBs.
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xthetenth posted:Nahh, actually the citadel is an unusually short fraction of the waterline. Short enough that the USN had no idea how they made the ship work because they considered armoring a certain fraction of the waterline essential. I'm assuming that fraction is part of the "armored raft" concept (that the citadel section can keep the ship afloat even if everything else is flooded)?
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