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MMM Whatchya Say posted:this election is a wash, next please yeah i can't see this lincoln guy winning in a landslide, john bell forever!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yeah i can't see this lincoln guy winning in a landslide, john bell forever! These Constitutional Union guys have the right idea. We should all just stop worrying about slavery! I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.
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Pakled posted:These Constitutional Union guys have the right idea. We should all just stop worrying about slavery! I don't see how that could possibly go wrong. To be fair, we have done Abolitionism to (the) death (of the United States). We might want to take our foot off the gas pedal at some point.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Voting Fremont for negro papist female supremacy e: also, we can preemptively stop  in this universe
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Obviously this election is coming down to the wire. I feel like history itself has shown that both Buchanan and Millard "Fugitive Slave Law" Fillmore aren't good options. I think what's most telling is the fact that there isn't really a true "southern" candidate in the mix, just a couple of weak, pathetic northern ditherers who say they aren't big fans of slavery or anything, but they are willing to deliver whatever it takes to placate the south. These people don't even have anything invested in the system, they're just blindly steering down a horrible paved road towards a brick wall because the dirt path seems uncomfortable. And yet, and yet, the path to abolitionism and then to civil rights is nothing if not fraught with occasions where the whole thing could've been taken care of much sooner, but everybody passed on it because it wasn't perfect, so why should now be any different? And there's something about the prevalence of freemasonry being treated like an equal issue to slavery that I like. It's the kind of conspiracy that can really get my blood boiling. 
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karmicknight posted:To be fair, we have done Abolitionism to (the) death (of the United States). We might want to take our foot off the gas pedal at some point. We've tried it fast, we've tried it slow, the South really needs to go! Thinking of Fremont as their first candidate makes me a little sad for what the Republicans have become post-Civil Rights Act. gently caress, I think I'd take him today.
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Personally I hope QuoProQuid will continue to inform us of everyone's Freemason membership status, the people have a right to know!foobardog posted:We've tried it fast, we've tried it slow, the South really needs to go! After they lose this election dont they absorb and pay lip service to the Know Nothings as a means to broaden support?
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SpRahl posted:Personally I hope QuoProQuid will continue to inform us of everyone's Freemason membership status, the people have a right to know! Looks like they did, but it's a two party system, so what can you expect? It's probably like the Blue Dogs of the modern Democratic Party.
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Mar 14, 2016 03:46
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Vote Fremont! Vote Temperance!
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Mar 14, 2016 03:48
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tatankatonk posted:Fremont *slams down telegraph*
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It's amazing that at least on paper Buchanan doesn't seem like an absolute disaster but then you look at what he did in his 4 years and jesus christ it might be the worst presidency in American history.
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axeil posted:It's amazing that at least on paper Buchanan doesn't seem like an absolute disaster but then you look at what he did in his 4 years and jesus christ it might be the worst presidency in American history. He was a gay and gays are bad at being president.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:He was a gay and gays are bad at being president. I believe the term is "confirmed bachelor"
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I'm pretty sure outside some ironic votes it's gonna be 100% for one guy.
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Fremont Forever.
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Buchanan was fated to fail from the start just from the fact that he was refusing to take a real stance on one of the key issues of the day. Slavery at this point in history is literally tearing the country apart. Abolitionists and slavery advocates alike are resorting to violence and threats. Popular sovereignty went out the window along with the fugitive slave law, because now anybody's slaves are everybody's problem, regardless of their state. The country is calling out for answers to this problem, and he is refusing to offer any. And on top of THAT, he's a mason! It's weird, but I sort of have to view these past presidents through the lens of more recent ones to understand them, and Buchanan reminds me of Taft or Hoover. Elected to the highest office in the country, and refuses to do a drat thing with it at a time when things need to be done. Whenever there's a problem he just shrugs and passes the buck to the law, to the local population of the state, to the supreme court. Of all these candidates arguing to be judged by character rather than issues, Zachary Taylor is the only one who deserved to win on the basis of character. After this, we've just got one more election until the Union gets reborn as something new where there isn't the question of whether the country will fall apart at the drop of a pin, and politicians no longer um and er and waffle over slavery.
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SlothfulCobra posted:After this, we've just got one more election until the Union gets reborn as something new where there isn't the question of whether the country will fall apart at the drop of a pin, and politicians no longer um and er and waffle over slavery. I can't wait for the endless gold/silver issues to baffle us (because we'll just slam that Socialist button instead)
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Corek posted:I can't wait for the endless gold/silver issues to baffle us (because we'll just slam that Socialist button instead) i'll vote for anyone who went fiat money. did anyone seriously entertain fiat money before the mid-20th century?
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axeil posted:i'll vote for anyone who went fiat money. did anyone seriously entertain fiat money before the mid-20th century? Secretary Chase during the civil war
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axeil posted:i'll vote for anyone who went fiat money. did anyone seriously entertain fiat money before the mid-20th century? Greenbacks.
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Fun fact: the Greenbacks ran Union-Confederate veteran unity tickets two elections in a row
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SpRahl posted:Personally I hope QuoProQuid will continue to inform us of everyone's Freemason membership status, the people have a right to know! I'm planning on posting charts and major statistics once we reach 1900. I can't promise that I'll keep up to date on everyone's Masonic status, but I'll post the Masonic/Non-Masonic as it stands now. Currently, the list looks like: 1. John Adams - Not a Freemason (but thought it was cool and wish someone recruited him) 2. John Jay - Freemason 3. Thomas Jefferson - Disputed 4. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney - Not a Freemason 5. and 7. DeWitt Clinton - Freemason (Grandmaster) 6. Rufus King - Not a Freemason 8. John Quincy Adams - Not a Freemason 9. William Wirt - Not a Freemason 10. Amos Ellmaker - Not a Freemason 11. Daniel Webster - Freemason 12. James Gillespie Birney - Freemason 13. Martin Van Buren - Not a Freemason 14. John P. Hale - Disputed Depending on how you group Jefferson and Hale, between six out of fourteen Presidents have been Freemasons. In real life, four of the first fourteen Presidents were Freemasons. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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FREMONT *beep*
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Lord of Pie posted:FREMONT  FREMONT AND OUR JESSE VS. "OLD BUCK" lol, the joke is that fremont has a hot young wife while buchanan is an old gay guy who will probably die alone.
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Buchanan's face is avatar material, if you flip it on the vertical.
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QuoProQuid posted:
Young America And Old Fogeyism The 1800s sure were a time for rhetoric.
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Fortunately, in the goon timeline, California won't be known for Nixon and Reagan.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:21
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QuoProQuid posted:
also he has a gun
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Lycus posted:Fortunately, in the goon timeline, California won't be known for Nixon and Reagan. In the goon timeline I'd be surprised if Cali's even part of the Union. What are you doing here, Fremont? Also SA Decides, 1788-2000: Young America and Old Fogyism
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Just discovered this thread. This is awesome. Also, hey, it's not every day you get to vote for the worst president in the history of America.
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Lycus posted:Fortunately, in the goon timeline, California won't be known for Nixon and Reagan. Goons will make Emperor Norton real
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The first Republican candidate was more progressive than their last candidate John Fremont would have been called a liberal is the new Nixon would have been a liberal
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This American Experiment certainly was a gay lark for a handful of decades, but it has clearly gone sour. Let the world's greatest explorer and man of action, John C. Frémont, deliver us true progressives to our rightful Exodus. Yes, I speak of our promised enlightened Utopia which awaits us in the center of this hollow Earth. We need not a new "Republican Party", we need a new republic. A republic of free men, free women, free soil, free love. A Republic of Frémont
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i wonder if people were surprised when it turned out (if i remember my military history right) that fremont sucked as a civil war general
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oystertoadfish posted:i wonder if people were surprised when it turned out (if i remember my military history right) that fremont sucked as a civil war general Eh sucked is a bit strong given the plethora of civil war generals you could easily say sucked (on both sides) he wasn't the greatest or anything maybe in the bottom 50% but not the rock bottom, but his greatest problem and the reason he was initially relieved of command was for antagonizing Missourians a tad too much and being way to vocally anti slavery at a time when the North was still afraid all the border states were going to cut and run to the Confederacy. His command history is a tad short for real comparison though given he basically quit the army early in the war.
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oystertoadfish posted:i wonder if people were surprised when it turned out (if i remember my military history right) that fremont sucked as a civil war general I'm reading Gore Vidal's "Lincoln" right now, so I would like to bitch and moan about the lack of a spoiler alert! So, please use a spoiler tag when you're talking about who won, whether slavery was extended to all states of the union, or how Lincoln did as a president. (At the point where I am, he is mostly dubious and beardy, so I can't imagine that he will be very succesful. I still don't want to ruin the suspension).
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Yay for Frémont, nay for Miss Nancy. Let's take Taylor's advice and hang the South!Ibogaine posted:I'm reading Gore Vidal's "Lincoln" right now, so I would like to bitch and moan about the lack of a spoiler alert! So, please use a spoiler tag when you're talking about who won, whether slavery was extended to all states of the union, or how Lincoln did as a president. (At the point where I am, he is mostly dubious and beardy, so I can't imagine that he will be very succesful. I still don't want to ruin the suspension). The South wins.
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