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waitwhatno posted:What is this talk about a full NATO membership? Is it some conspiracy theory? Poland wants more NATO bases on its territory. Normally you'd expect a country to want the only military bases on their country to be their own, but I guess having NATO bases is a way to have military presence without footing most of the bill for it. https://euobserver.com/justice/131697 http://blogs.wsj.com/brussels/2016/01/05/growing-support-for-a-nato-force-in-eastern-europe-but-no-new-bases/ And Russian gloating on the subject: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160204/1034227016/nato-bases-poland-disappoint.html
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It's also a way to make sure there will at least be a fuss when Russia comes to visit.
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waitwhatno posted:What is this talk about a full NATO membership? Is it some conspiracy theory? Although you never know with Macierewicz (the minister in question), the guy is completely nuts and looks and acts like the goddamn Master. Case in point, just one day after the aforementioned speech about closer ties with our awesome NATO allies, the guy goes on record stating that Americans have no business criticising PIS for treating the Constitutional Tribunal like a clown car, since it's absurd that "people who built their state as late as the 18th century are telling us what democracy is", whereas the Polish state totes had democratic systems as early as the 13th century (Fun Fact: There was no unified Polish state in the 13th century, as it had fragmented into a collection of Kleinstaaterei-like bickering, independent provinces).
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Pizdec posted:In the contexty of the summit, I think it's mostly a symbolic expression to make the event seem like a bigger deal than it actually is, just like hosting the Olympics makes you a real country or something. Not to mention that Poland straight out didn't exist through most of the time when the modern democratic states were forming itself. The Commonwealth was partitioned into oblivion in 1795 (and it wasn't a democracy by any reasonable standard). The first independent democratic Polish state was created in 1917, but it very quickly degenerated into semi-authoritarianism. After 20 years it was curb-stomped by the Third Reich, annexed and turned into a large version of a concentration camp, then "freed" and reestablished as a Soviet puppet state. In best case, Poland was a democracy (in its usual meaning) for maybe 35 years summarily.
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drilldo squirt posted:The world today involves a mod from a website I post at trolling a major nation state using twitter.
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Friendly Humour posted:You should go on actually, your work is methodologically really interesting. In no way to denigrate it, it just seems like such a simple principle of looking up social media for images and people that I'm a bit dumbfounded that it's innovative. I guess it's the problem is as you say mostly about one of time and effort, what you're doing is some hardcore investigative journalism in terms of how much investment it requires. Pointing out to editors "Hey! You should give your people time to do some journalism! Thanks!" shouldn't be an innovation, but I guess it is nowadays. Friendly Humour posted:I do actually wonder why your sources haven't been metaphorically internet blackbagged and had their social media pages and everything scrubbed. If I was KGB officer and some of my polite green men did a very dumb thing, securing all potential sources would be the first thing on my list of priorities. It seems ridiculous that information about the AA brigade was just left laying around on the net for anyone to look at.
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Brown Moses posted:Well that assumes they would have known this sort of information was all over the place waiting to be pieced together, and elsewhere that hasn't seemed to have been the case. Now they have the issue that if they start removing this stuff it'll look like they have something to hide.
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 17:46 |
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There were scrubbings, all the "yay we shot down a plane, hurray" tweets disappeared pretty quickly after they found out it was a civilian airliner.
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It's going to be really interesting to see how Kremlin reacts when those reports are translated, I'm hoping for an absolute shitfit soon as they start going around the opposition networks.
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I'm sorry to disappoint, but they're not going to care that the translated works of some CIA-recruited failed journalist with a Turkish wife to boot are being hosted on some dead gay internet forum because all the important mass-media sources are state controlled.
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Hmm yes the Russian government that keeps going DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO IT repeatedly through the media and now direct from government ministries will probably not care at all. The internet is a thing. Bellingcat might be difficult to stumble onto for the average person... except the government keeps talking about it.
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I believe the idea is to put an alternate spin on the events out there and let the desinformation machine do its job. As I said before, it provides an explanation the supporters can use - it's not talking about the event, it's just smearing Bellingcat. As such, it's addressed to pro-Russia crowd as opposed to actually rebuking anything.
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Elukka posted:Hmm yes the Russian government that keeps going DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO IT repeatedly through the media and now direct from government ministries will probably not care at all. We actually get pretty widespread coverage in Russian language media, with our last big report on the 53rd Brigade the RBC.ru article on our report had around half a million views alone, plus we had coverage from BBC Russia and various major Russian language news sites in other countries than Russia, so it was easily discoverable by anyone who spoke Russian.Our basic rule is anyone can reprint our articles as well, so blocking Bellingcat won't be particularly effective if Russia decides to do that.
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Elukka posted:Hmm yes the Russian government that keeps going DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO IT repeatedly through the media and now direct from government ministries will probably not care at all. They've been doing it already only because Europe does have a free press and Bellingcat publishing in English, Dutch and German is making it a tad awkward and embarrassing for the relevant European politicians to continue shaking hands with the Kremlin while shoveling Russian money into their pockets.
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Well, this is not good at all. http://katu.com/news/local/serbia-portland-bound-combat-missiles-found-on-passenger-flight quote:BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) - Serbia's authorities are investigating reports that a cargo package bound for the U.S. containing two missiles with explosive warheads was found on a passenger flight from Lebanon to Serbia. Any idea if Katu.com is a decent news site or not?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Well, this is not good at all. I was just Googling "Hellfires" to see if that length quote was accurate and the top story is about this from CNBC, sourced through Associated Press, so it looks like it's legit.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 00:01 |
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The massive Atlantic piece that's been making the rounds has a substantial section devoted to Putin and the Ukrainian invasion. The quote below is just the start:quote:The president’s unwillingness to counter the baiting by American adversaries can feel emotionally unsatisfying, I said, and I told him that every so often, I’d like to see him give Vladimir Putin the finger. It’s atavistic, I said, understanding my audience. “It is,” the president responded coolly. “This is what they’re looking for.” He described a relationship with Putin that doesn’t quite conform to common perceptions. I had been under the impression that Obama viewed Putin as nasty, brutish, and short. But, Obama told me, Putin is not particularly nasty.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Any idea if Katu.com is a decent news site or not? It's a local TV news station, so yeah more or less it is.
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Apparently an anti-Trump protest took a decidedly Eastern European flavor: That's the flag of the Free Territory, the anarcho-communist faction in Ukraine during the civil war (associated with Nestor Makhno)
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I was going to pass this up, but it too good good not to be translated, since the closest most Americans would get to seeing how propaganda works is Fox news, which is grade-school level at best by Russian standards, and therefore have no real understanding of how propaganda works. Here, an opinions journalist is being asked to comment how the recent (Jan 2016) ruling on the Litvenenko case directly implicating Putin in the murder would affect Putin's popularity in Russia, but it is easily applicable to Bellingcat's reports, etc.L. Radzihovsky posted:If we are to assume that the accusations levied against Putin are meant for the Russian audience, then these accusations work exactly like a boomerang after being re-interpreted by Russian television - that is, they work only in Putin's favor.
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eigenstate posted:I was going to pass this up, but it too good good not to be translated, since the closest most Americans would get to seeing how propaganda works is Fox news, which is grade-school level at best by Russian standards, and therefore have no real understanding of how propaganda works. Here, an opinions journalist is being asked to comment how the recent (Jan 2016) ruling on the Litvenenko case directly implicating Putin in the murder would affect Putin's popularity in Russia, but it is easily applicable to Bellingcat's reports, etc. It didn't have to be this way So many bad decisions since the wall came down - thanks, boomers!
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I think one mock-worthy development of recent days somehow evaded the thread. This is an official logo of Poland's Space Agency. Exhibit A Exhibit B Exhibit C Exhibit D
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Lichtenstein posted:I think one mock-worthy development of recent days somehow evaded the thread. This is a counterfeit meme. Polandball famously has red on top.
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Lichtenstein posted:I think one mock-worthy development of recent days somehow evaded the thread. what for ESA and Roscosmos already exist if you want to buy a rocket to put things on
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ESA member states have their own national space agencies that that work with ESA.
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efbblowfish posted:what for Isn't ESA an umbrella organization for individual national space programs?
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Something something Polan in space.
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We already have a successful institution in the form of Centrum Badań Kosmicznych (Space Research Center), which supplies various ESA missions in technical know how and instruments, but I guess we needed another one.
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blowfish posted:what for
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Pierogi posted:We already have a successful institution in the form of Centrum Badań Kosmicznych (Space Research Center), which supplies various ESA missions in technical know how and instruments, but I guess we needed another one. PLOAND #1
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Paladinus posted:This is a counterfeit meme. Polandball famously has red on top.
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eigenstate posted:I was going to pass this up, but it too good good not to be translated, since the closest most Americans would get to seeing how propaganda works is Fox news, which is grade-school level at best by Russian standards, and therefore have no real understanding of how propaganda works. Here, an opinions journalist is being asked to comment how the recent (Jan 2016) ruling on the Litvenenko case directly implicating Putin in the murder would affect Putin's popularity in Russia, but it is easily applicable to Bellingcat's reports, etc. So, the west should not do anything ever because everything they do is just used by Russian state media to it's own purposes? That seems to be the point of the article. Maybe, just maybe, the things the west does are not actually being done with consideration for Russian popular opinion at all?
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PUTIN PULLS OUT http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/14/world/russia-syria-withdrawal/index.html quote:Russian President Vladimir Putin announced Monday that he has ordered Russian forces to begin withdrawing from Syria, saying they have achieved their goals in the country.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:08 |
Call me paranoid but there's a distinct difference between Putin saying he's pulling out and actually pulling out. Of course, depends on what favors he's expecting for it on the diplomatic front... Then again, "political solution" is apparently shorthand for Assad staying right where he is.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:13 |
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Of course Putin means Assad stays right where he is. Five years of hell means nothing. Maintaining status quo for those who support Putin is what matters.
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I wouldn't be surprised actually. They've had a huge impact on Assad's fortune and the cease fire seems to be doing... not terrible, so they may have decided it was the right time to declare mission accomplished as far as the really expensive intervention goes. Guess when you don't give a poo poo about civilian casualties it makes this whole thing easier.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:18 |
It's Russian casualties I'm kinda curious about here - IIRC they only admitted to one pilot who crashed near the Turkish border and that's it. Guess you don't lose units when you don't actually attack anything that can fire back.
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anilEhilated posted:It's Russian casualties I'm kinda curious about here - IIRC they only admitted to one pilot who crashed near the Turkish border and that's it. Guess you don't lose units when you don't actually attack anything that can fire back. Plus the guy who was near the rescue helicopter that got blown up by a TOW missile.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:30 |
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What I'm curious about is how many casualties of the Syrian conflict have died in Ukraine.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:46 |
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I'm willing to bet that Putin's pulling out of Syria in the same way that he's not invading Ukraine.
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