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Poor Arianna. Seems like most of the defensive Force Boosts are just flat out inferior to the Force Breaks, aside from Beast's. I also think that Hrothgar and Wulfgar show up one more time at the inn later? Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Victory Vow is great before you get consistent TP restoration and hey, if Arianna ain't doing anything, might as well. The Story party takes a little while to get going, but as we can hint at from this fight, once they get going, they get going.
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I was too lazy to take out the bats, and thought it would be more exciting to leave them in.  They do nothing but try to head bind your party, which Bertrand, Hrothgar, Flavio, and Knight (as long as he's not transformed) don't really care about. Arianna gets shut down by head binds, but Chloe can still do some other stuff even if she has her head bound.Crosspeice posted:Victory Vow is great before you get consistent TP restoration and hey, if Arianna ain't doing anything, might as well. Arianna doesn't really have TP problems, unless you decided to get her a level 20 Link Order this early in the game for some reason. Either way, I find it falls under the problems Steady Hands does. Using it before you really need it can end up preventing you from using the Break. Yeah the Story party is pretty strong defensively, but offensively they're awful early on. They do get better later, but a Classic party will still outdamage them. Fafnir is a really skill point hungry class, as not only does he need his offensive abilities maxed out, he also needs skills in his Force Mastery tree maxed out as well. Until then, Chloe pretty much has to carry the team in the damage department.
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Update 25: Boing  We're almost at the end of the 3rd Stratum. Just 14F and 15F left.    Let's take care of some quests before we tackle 14F. First of all, The sun shines down. We need to wait for the time to be 10 AM. The easiest way to do this is to just set an auto-walk path in an area where you can't run into enemies and wait for the clock to tick over.  There we go.    Now, what we need to do is get into an encounter--any monster will do. After the battle finishes...    SYSTEM: At that moment, something lunges from high above. Caught defenseless, the sudden assault knocks you all to the ground!  SYSTEM: You pull yourselves to your feet, gritting your teeth through the pain, and come face to face with a monster, growling hungrily. It appears this monster was the one that ambushed you after your fight, in your brief moment of vulnerability... Its mouth is stained with red--a grim testament to how many adventurers have already fallen prey to its trap. SYSTEM: There can be no mistake--this monster must be the mysterious beast described in your request. SYSTEM: But strangely, despite having successfully ambushed you, the monster seems to have no will to fight... It seems almost to be in pain. It whines at you, and turns, as if to run away... Puzzling over its behavior, your thoughts are interrupted by the strange song of the flute you overheard earlier. At the shrill tones of the flute, the monster whirls with bloodshot eyes, and lunges at you once more! The sudden change startles you, but the time has come to defeat the vicious beast! Ready your weapons, and strike it down!    Beetle Lord HP: 2300, STR: 35, TEC: 24, VIT: 30, AGI: 20, LUC: 25 Skills:
Disable resistances: An insectoid creature whose mind is controlled by a wicked purpose. What the hell am I supposed to say about this thing?    ...Tyler had less than a 7% base chance to do that, not even accounting for LUC difference.  SYSTEM: You tense, sensing movement behind you. Weapons at the ready, you turn to confront...a lone guard.  SYSTEM: You can't see his face behind the metal visor, but he seems to be friendly enough. You tell the guard of your quest from the Grand Duchy. SYSTEM: Rheine thanks the guard, takes the water skin, clearly winded and parched from the tough battles. SYSTEM: Something belatedly dawns on you... Didn't Cass tell you that there were no guards posted on the 13th floor? If that's true, then...what is this guard doing here all by himself? You look to the guard, and notice that he is watching Rheine about to drink, with a malevolent grin on his face...! SYSTEM: Something about his demeanor unnerves you, and instinctively you knock the waterskin from Rheine's hands! SYSTEM: Astonished, Rheine demands an explanation...but staggers as a burning pain fills their throat.  SYSTEM: It's clear the water had been poisoned, and despite your quick thinking, it seems that Rheine drank a small sip... You move to protect Rheine, who is on the ground gagging in pain, and draw your weapons! The guard nimbly steps back, hastily slipping out of range of your weapons. SYSTEM: The guard drops all pretenses in his words, and makes no attempt to hide his malice towards you. Everything becomes clear now--you recall the amiable guard you encountered during the case of the treasure hidden in the cave... The man in front of you is the very same guard, and you almost fell victim to his lies a second time! SYSTEM: The guard spits these words as a parting shot as he vanishes into the forest. You don't know why the guard was here, but the request is complete. Visit the bar when you can, and report your progress!      All Mists reduce Fire/Ice/Volt damage to the party by 20% for 6 turns. It's not that big of a reduction, but there are two bosses where it's kinda useful.  Cross Charge now deals 225% damage if used alone, 550% if used with Delayed Charge, and has a 200% speed modifier instead of a 150% speed modifier.  Link Order now hits for 172% TEC damage + 40% of whatever skill activated it.   We'll need to fight some enemies on 14F to finish Yggdrasil cider, so we might as well start.   SYSTEM: Turning to face it, you see an old man. Der Freischutz is standing not far away...  SYSTEM: The old marksman Wilhelm keeps a withering eye on you as he speaks. SYSTEM: His gaze pierces directly into your soul as he continues.  SYSTEM: It's up to you whether to continue through the forest or return to Lagaard.   SYSTEM: Luckily, the egg is not cracked, though it is clear that it will not fare well if left under these cold skies. You may return the egg back to its nest, high in the tree before you, or leave it where it lies.  SYSTEM: While returning the egg, Zack seems to have made off with a feather from the nest in the bargain. You can't help but laugh at Zack's unflagging dedication as you take your leave.  Swan Feathers are normal drops from a 15F enemy.  SYSTEM: Zack is the first to find what you are looking for and speaks up.  SYSTEM: It is different from the type on the previous floor which hovered off the ground... This one has a gelatinous body which is in full contact with the ice. It seems capable of moving about freely even on this slippery floor. You remain cautious of the new monster as a matter of principle as you resume investigating the forest. Blue Gels patrol a rectangular area instead of the straight lines that Evil Eyes did. Otherwise, their behavior is quite similar to Evil Eyes, right down to how they aggro to us. The only difference is that Blue Gels will not leave the ice they're standing on to chase us, unlike Evil Eyes.    Redfish HP: 424, STR: 27, TEC: 24, VIT: 23, AGI: 17, LUC: 23 Skills:
Disable resistances: An amphibious creature that has the ability to summon ice and cold. Redfish...exist. Ice Fin hurts quite a bit (and can actually kill Zack or Tyler from near-full), but other than that there's not a ton to say about them. Having two of them in one fight's kind of annoying since two Ice Fins can actually put you in a kind of dangerous situation.    Oh yeah, the Freezing Lizard. Normally, Zack would've just been badly wounded by that, but the Freezing Lizard I didn't show lowered everyone's HP slightly, putting Zack in the death range for Ice Fin. I'm starting to really hate those things.       The Blue Gel aggros on us basically as soon as we step on the ice, but it follows the same rules the Evil Eye did--us sliding on the ice only counts as one action for it.     SYSTEM: The fiend used its soft, absorbent body to nullify your gambit...! You will clearly not defeat this gelatinous creature with the ice blocks. Adding this to your knowledge of the Labyrinth's denizens, you proceed with your investigation. Oh yeah, one last property of Blue Gels. They will bounce ice blocks back at you, which is kind of annoying. The game doesn't really make a ton of puzzles using that fact, though.  So all we have to do is just wait until the Blue Gel's out of the way.   Inside this treasure chest is an Almighty Ring, which increases all of a character's stats by 2. Colette benefits most from it since she has skills that, collectively, use STR, TEC, and VIT, so I put it on her.       whoops    Blue Gel HP: 7197, STR: 39, TEC: 37, VIT: 29, AGI: 22, LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable resistances: An evolved type of gel whose body can morph into a full arsenal! I'm...not entirely sure what the point of Blue Gels is, given that they'll pretty much always be the only enemies in a fight, making Elemental Gel useless. They hit hard, and can kill anyone not under the effect of Front Guard, but that's not exactly a big issue. What IS an issue, however, is that my current party has no answer to the issue of "this thing has 50% resistance to all physical damage." My only choice is to run from this thing, since fighting it will take WAY too much time.     Oh yeah. If you escape from an FOE fight on ice, you'll be propelled in the direction opposite where you started the fight.   Another easy puzzle. Just push the ice block and then run into it...   So you can go here.   SYSTEM: It is partly buried, making it difficult to tell what it is from your position. You can investigate the shining object further or ignore it and continue forth. SYSTEM: When you approach the object and pick it up, you find that it is a necklace. While you wonder if some explorers lost it here, a low rumbling echoes through the area. SYSTEM: It is the sound of snow and boulders sliding down the mountain! The necklace's prior owner must have been crushed by an avalanche! You retreat from the approaching wall of snow at full speed, but it's too late! Your guildmates are swallowed into the moving wall of snow and slammed into the ground!  Ohhhhhhh man that stings without having Realga. SYSTEM: Thankfully, the avalanche that caught you was a minor one, and you managed to survive. Yet your safety is not guaranteed, and so you quickly put away the necklace you hold and swiftly depart.  Gypsum Necklaces provide immunity to Sleep. Potentially useful for the stratum boss.    Another level up from Zack from a boring encounter, another point in TP Up.   Last puzzle of the floors. We have to push that ice block...   To reach that passage over there.   One push down--   Oh my god I'm a loving idiot. One escape later...   Mercifully, Blue Gels go inactive for a turn after you escape from them, ensuring you can't get boxed in by them. It also means I can kinda cheese this and run to the ice block.   Just shove the thing southwards...   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA   Finally.   SYSTEM: Perhaps something is required in order to make the emblem react... We'll be coming back here MUCH later in the game.   And we're done with the floor. Another short one.       Selling off our junk from 14F unlocked these things.  Time for town denizen dialogue.      Just Marmott this time.  15F quests. The company performer: Mammoth Bow XLs are kind of annoying to unlock, but they're not too bad. The enigmatic woodsman: I don't know if White Forest is a mistranslation or just an inconsistency, but Cass is just referring to the Frozen Grounds.   ...D-Did you want to talk to me? R-Really...? So you're the ones that accepted our posting... Cass must have told you most of it, right...? Take an offering for the shrine of the white forest, and bring back incense in return... Our texts say the shrine is on the 15th floor, but I'm afraid we don't know the specific coordinates... Not only that, our predecessors built numerous other shrines on the same floor. However, the Messenger of Yggdrasil will only descend to the shrine constructed with stone wings. Please, be careful. Once you place the offering, please retreat until the shrine's no longer visible... That should cause...something to happen. Once you have the incense, please bring it here... P-Please, take this... Please be careful...and...make sure it does not fall into the wrong person's hands... We will be watching your every step...We'll be taking care of this quest late into 15F.  Abigail has special dialogue when we enter Sitoth after taking on The enigmatic woodsman. In the original EO2, you could actually sell the Wind Rock to Abigail and get a false end for the quest. Here, though, even if you opt to sell it to her, she still asks where the thing came from, and then freaks out when you tell her it's from the Curse Academy and gives it back.       At this point I did some materials grinding to finish up some outstanding quests, and unlocked this stuff.   Fade to black here.   Stonards increase one party member's physical defense by 30% for 6 turns. Yawn.   Holy Gift's always useful for grinding, even if it's a low level.     The Hex Staff is yet another disabling weapon. It has a 30% base chance to inflict Curse when attacking. Among a category of weapons that are all worthless, the Hex Staff stands out.  Barrier now has a 47% chance to block.  I have no clue what I want to do with Tyler's build right now, and I don't want to bump Spear Assist's TP cost, so he'll hold on to that skill point for now.  Raising Shield Mastery to level 5 unlocked Heal Guard, which I absolutely do not care about.  Link Order deals 176% damage + 40% of the activating skill's damage. And that's all for now. Next time: most of 15F.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:
I see someone's been playing Fates and getting portraits from EOV.
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AweStriker posted:I see someone's been playing Fates Yes to the first, but that's Arcanist 4 from EO4. I ran out of Hexer and War Magi portraits.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Yes to the first, but that's Arcanist 4 from EO4. I ran out of Hexer and War Magi portraits. Betrayed by the pointy ears...
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Update 26: Guardians of the Sorrowful Ice 15F time. Last floor of the 3rd Stratum.     Leaving the Wind Rock at the wrong place means we get less rewards from the quest.   Chop point. Gives Glitter Apples for ingredients.    Deadly Statue HP: 522, STR: 31, TEC: 21, VIT: 26, AGI: 18, LUC: 22 Skills:
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Disable resistances: "Living in colder climes, these birds' white wings hold a mysterious power." Snowbirds aren't that much of a threat on their own, but White Wings makes any enemy that has elemental attacks serious threats, such as that Deadly Statue we're staring down right now.           Another false shrine.   Another fight where Snowbirds can turn certain enemies into deadly threats. Ice Fin already hurts, and White Wings would make it instant-kill territory for most of our party.   SYSTEM: You listen carefully... It seems to be calling for help! SYSTEM: Then again, this is the Labyrinth... what sounds like a human may be deceiving. There's an even chance that it is a monster mimicking distress to lure in explorers. But if it is a human... You weigh the risks of heading toward the voice. SYSTEM: You triangulate the voice's location and hurry towards it through the snow. You eventually come across an iron helm in the snow... It seems to belong to a guard! SYSTEM: You hurry and dig through the snow to rescue the guard. The guard has been here for a long time, and is very weak.  SYSTEM: The soldier removes money from under his helm and holds it out shakily to you. Could these be his secret savings...? You accept the guard's offer and return to your journey.               Going in right now with everyone at not-100% HP and TP lies somewhere between "inadvisable" and "completely idiotic."   Sold off some junk.  I buy two Fire Jars in case I need Spear Assist + Link Order in a pinch. I also shuffled around everyone's Grimoires...while not recording. Sigh. The major changes are that Rheine now has lv15 Attack Order, and Spear Assist is lv15 again.     For those of you keeping up with the music, the music stops at this point.     SYSTEM: Just as you reach for the door, you freeze, sensing a dreadful presence...    This is the only time this track plays in the entire game, so enjoy it while you can. SYSTEM: You recognize the sorrowful voice as the marksman known as Der Freischutz. He stands between you and the door, directing a piercing glare at you. SYSTEM: The old marksman takes aim with his guns, proving that this is no idle threat... SYSTEM: Another voice echoes through the area, breaking the tension between you and the gunner.   SYSTEM: Artelinde's voice is serene, as if reciting from memory. SYSTEM: Her smooth facade begins to tremble, and she stops, trying to contain her sorrow. SYSTEM: The marksman takes up the story's thread.     SYSTEM: With measured steps, Artelinde walks closer to you. SYSTEM: The black-haired witch's face hardens into a fiery glare as she brandishes her staff. VIDEO: Boss Fight: Guild Esbat  The music keeps playing through the transition and into the battle.   Artelinde HP: 4900, STR: 34, TEC: 36, VIT: 34, AGI: 20, LUC: 34 Skills:
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A gun-toting member of Guild Esbat, known as Der Freischutz, and guardian to Artelinde. (Note: since I have the ability to render EO2U's models now, I'll be using them for (non-DLC) FOEs and bosses when they don't have major errors.) Oh man, Artelinde and Wilhelm. In EO2, these two were absolute jokes if you had an even slightly-sensible party. They were incredibly vulnerable to being bound and inflicted with status ailments, and their damage just wasn't that threatening to begin with (unless you ended up like a certain doctor I know who had a party with 1 damage dealer, 2 supports, and 2 meatshields). Now? Good god, these two are massive pains in the rear end, even with a good party. No, I did not mistype Artelinde's disable resistances--she really does nullify every ailment (besides Poison and Stun), as well as all three types of binds. This is already a big problem, but then you have to deal with her skillset. Corpse Ash (which, as the more observant of you may have noticed, is a version of Random Disease) is pretty much guaranteed to tag everyone in your party with something, and (with my luck, anyway) the odds are good it's going to be something debilitating like Fear or Paralysis. Rheine's a godsend here, since Prevent Order turns Corpse Ash into a non-issue as long as I keep the buff up. Blind Laughter and Loose Thread are Artelinde's versions of Strength/Guard Slash and the Bindcuts. She won't use them unless someone has an ailment, so they're irrelevant if you keep on top of making sure you don't get tagged with those. Otherwise? Good luck recovering from the debuffs and binds. Blossom Sketch's heal is annoying, but the real "gently caress you" lies in its dispels, since if you're trying to disable Wilhelm, that'll completely ruin that strategy. As for Wilhelm, he's fast as gently caress. You might be thinking Gunners are slow, based on Jackie, but the fact that Wilhelm doesn't have to put up with the speed penalties guns innately impose and the speed and accuracy penalties on gun skills means he's far faster and far more accurate than player Gunners. Mercifully, since Wilhelm is completely predictable after his first action, Phoebe renders him a complete non-issue. With that in mind, here's my strategy: burst down Artelinde as quickly as possible. Wilhelm is no threat at all with Phoebe, while Artelinde is very much a serious threat. Zack and Colette are thankfully decent at dealing damage, but I'm still kind of worried that she might not die before she starts to become a really big problem.   Gonna hold off on Zack and Phoebe's Force Boosts until Attack Order is in effect.  Setting up Delayed Charge on Artelinde.  Kinda just randomly guessing that Wilhelm will do a normal attack.  I NEED Prevent Order on everyone, or else the fight might just be unwinnable from the start.            Oh man we're dealing really terrible damage without our Force Boosts.   We need to fix that!  Long Thrust's damage is really lovely, but without a consistent source of elemental damage, Tyler's kind of stuck with it.  Phoebe'll be rotating through the elemental walls and Front Guard for the rest of the fight.     Uuuuuugghghghhghhghghghhhhh.   About a 50-50 split between Artelinde and Wilhelm.    Much better.  Re-applying Prevent Order so that I'll be covered for the next cast of Corpse Ash.   Okay that's gonna need to be dispelled ASAP.  That's why.  The battle just isn't going to go on long enough for Zack to get Full Charge again.  I haven't had a chance to show off Ad Nihilo yet, so let's put it to work.   Ad Nihilo deals very light Almighty TEC damage and dispels all of the target's buffs and debuffs. The debuff dispel kinda sucks, but then again it's probably really unlikely you have an enemy with boths and debuffs at the same time. In any case, it dispels all of them at once, which is very useful for stuff like Pandemonium.  Close call, there. Tyler would've died if I didn't dispel Pandemonium.   Well, we've lopped off a lot of Artelinde's HP by now.  Delayed Charge is ready, so I have Tyler turn on Hero Battle.    Good, good. Artelinde's almost dead now.  That's good, too. Wilhelm only ate 1 of the 6 hits.     Yeah. Thought we were the only ones with access to Force? Think again!  Both Artelinde and Wilhelm will enter their Force Boosts when one of two things happens: when they're dropped below 30% HP, or when the other one of them is killed, whichever comes first. So what exactly does Spellsword do for Artelinde, aside from giving her a kinda cool color scheme that I can't replicate with my render? Well, the big thing is that she'll use Blind Laughter and Loose Thread even if no-one has an ailment and, somewhat more importantly, they will hit the entire party instead of just one target! If you think this sounds like a really major issue, then you're 100% right! Artelinde's thankfully really close to dying here, so I don't have to actually deal with the Spellsword effects, but Spellsword is the main reason I chose to burst her down immediately while ignoring Wilhelm--his Force Boost is far, far easier to deal with.  A Fire Jar + Link Order to Wilhelm'll deal more damage than a no-ailment Ailing Slash, although you'll see that this was basically pointless shortly.  Cross Charge's 200% speed modifier means Tyler can snipe Artelinde before she can do anything with Spellsword.      Decent-ish damage. However, it's irrelevant, because...   Like I said, Artelinde and Wilhelm will activate their Force Boosts once the other one of them is killed, regardless of their HP level. Accelerate gives Wilhelm a massive action speed boost, and changes Fire/Ice/Volt Rounds into random-target attacks that hit 3-4 times. This is far less dangerous than Spellsword, especially because...  I'm having everyone Defend. This might make you think my brain suddenly shut off while I was recording the fight, but trust me, there's a method to my madness.  Phoebe's the only one not defending, and I...actually lost track of Wilhelm's pattern here.  Leading to using Fire Wall when Wilhelm used Ice Rounds. OOPS.  Thankfully, the damage is pitiful thanks to Defend.   One more round of that stupidity later, and...  You're about to see why I just held for two turns.      One final thing I was keeping secret: Artelinde and Wilhelm both have Force Breaks, which they use on the third turn of Spellsword/Accelerate: Nature's Will for Artelinde, and Mystic Shot for Wilhelm. Both of these don't use any body parts (only relevant for Wilhelm), and deal 16 instances of 250% damage (Almighty for Nature's Will, Stab for Mystic Shot) to the entire party. Both of them also do not check for accuracy, so evasion buffs/accuracy debuffs won't help you here. There is straight-up no way to survive either of them without Perfect Defense or True Endurance. The only saving grace for both of them is that they kill Artelinde or Wilhelm after use. That was my entire strategy--kill Artelinde as quickly as possible because she's a far bigger threat than Wilhelm, and then just tank Accelerate and Mystic Shot, letting Wilhelm kill himself. This party simply did not have the AOE needed to kill both Artelinde and Wilhelm in time before they both became major threats. Oh well, it's over now. I was dreading that fight going into it, since it's given me massive trouble in past playthroughs, and I was really concerned about whether or not this party would be able to actually win. Phoebe is the no-contest MVP here--any other party member wouldn't have been nearly as effective as her.   SYSTEM: They gaze at you with stunned countenances, unable to believe what has happened.  SYSTEM: Artelinde lifts her gaze to the sky as she mutters these words. SYSTEM: The old marksman behind her breaks his silence to address your party.  SYSTEM: The old marksman trails off, hanging his head. SYSTEM: He places a hand on the still-silent Artelinde's shoulder, leading her away into the snow.  SYSTEM: You may continue from here, or return to town to make preparations.  Alright, good. Managed to get her hat. Yep. I've been thinking about getting a new hat recently, and I always wanted Artelinde's. Your hats don't have this cool thing on them, though. I'unno, they just didn't seem to notice me. Did you guys have a really big argument or something? Before I head back, there's a secret area over here.  With a Limit Break Grimoire. Limit Break is a Fafnir passive that lets a character's Force gauge go beyond 100 in battle. The Force gauge is reset to 100 after battle, however, and is still broken by Force Breaks.   I've always wondered why Abigail never seems to question why your party sells her cloth that's explicitly described as "stained...with a maiden's blood." And so, one of the fights I was dreading the most is finished. Next time: the last part of 15F, and our first meeting with the Ice Princess. Rea fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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The Story party is actually in a pretty good place for that fight simply because you have a Sovereign and a Protector. You still need to time everything right, but it's doable. Without them...that fight can be a real roadblock. You absolutely need a way to either burst them down or block the damage, there is no surviving their Force Breaks. (For some of the SCCs they're nearly unbeatable without a massive level disparity, and I think they'd be just about impossible for a solo run.)
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You know what's not fun? Eating Nature's Will right when you're one turn away from winning. 
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After three stratums of rising tensions and ominous foreshadowing, we finally have our epic showdown with Guild Esbat. So naturally this is one of the things the Etrian Odyssey Untold 2 opening cinematic chooses to flagrantly spoil.
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I wondered... If Hexers help make Dark Hunters and War Magi really awesome, would all three in the same party be semi-gamebreaking? Because from what I've heard, outside of Fafnir, this game is the second best EO game in terms of balance (behind 4, obviously).
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Junpei posted:I wondered...
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Junpei posted:I wondered...
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 Beautiful. Please tell me he's going to keep it on when he transforms too.
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Haha, yeah, I'm loving Ranger.
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Crosspeice posted:Haha, yeah, I'm loving Ranger. I'm... ambivalent about him. Ragnar the Bloodedge seems to be writing him like: Junpei fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Junpei posted:Ragnar the Bloodege I can understand not liking Ranger, but what does this even mean? The whole hat stealing thing was a bit out there, though. He wasn't even in the party, and he just suddenly showed up with that portrait. Also, Artelinde's drop isn't from her dress. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Dr. Fetus posted:I can understand not liking Ranger, but what does this even mean? It's a classic Junpei Non-JokeTM by juxtaposing the OP's username with Ragna the Bloodedge, protagonist of the BlazBlue series.
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alcharagia posted:It's a classic Junpei Non-JokeTM by juxtaposing the OP's username with Ragna the Bloodedge, protagonist of the BlazBlue series. We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen! Hats off to this poster!
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Y'know, this fight does raise the question of what Force Boosts look like on the receiving end of them. 'Cause, like, the Fafnir is the only one that changes portraits, if I'm not mistaken. Of course, the design is so you can tell that, yes, Force is happening, I think it's a neat effect. (Also, it's really weird seeing other humans in the 3d style. There's something about it...)
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AmewTheFox posted:Y'know, this fight does raise the question of what Force Boosts look like on the receiving end of them. 'Cause, like, the Fafnir is the only one that changes portraits, if I'm not mistaken. Never mind Force Boosts, just imagine how the Force Breaks look with Wilhelm's animations Look at that stupid goof, hahaha.
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AmewTheFox posted:(Also, it's really weird seeing other humans in the 3d style. There's something about it...) I think that's mostly because Yuji Himukai (EO series character designer) is the one who does the designs for boss versions of characters (Ren and Tlachtga in EO1, Kujura and Olympia in EO3, Kibagami and Logre in EO4) instead of Shin Nagasawa (the normal monster design guy), meaning the 3D modelers try to mimic his style, which looks considerably different from every other monster. Junpei posted:*ding ding ding* That is not something you should be positively acknowledging. Look, I can understand why you don't like Ranger. I will admit the hat thing was a little shaky, but it was a friend's idea and I liked it enough that I wanted to put it in even if Ranger wasn't in the party. But please, don't just make non-sequitur "jokes" for the sake of them.
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AmewTheFox posted:Also, it's really weird seeing other humans in the 3d style. There's something about it... Every EO game on the 3DS will have you facing off against human opponents at some time, just typically only once in a non-repeatable boss battle. It's actually something I wish was done more often, I tend to find these battles to be pretty fun since you can at least expect that they'll use buffed versions of skills you have access to, rather than everything being a guess until it hits.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:16
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Look, I can understand why you don't like Ranger. I will admit the hat thing was a little shaky, but it was a friend's idea and I liked it enough that I wanted to put it in even if Ranger wasn't in the party. But please, don't just make non-sequitur "jokes" for the sake of them. It's good. I will admit that Demon Ranger is badass (and, in my head, Yuuki Terumi levels of hammy). It's just... Random does not equal funny.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:23
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Seeing them change colours while on Force Boost makes me wonder if the same happens on the player's side and you just can't see it. If so...man, now I'm thinking of colour schemes, as if this was a Jojo game where everything changes colours suddenly and for no reason. Artelinde looks drat neat on blue though, wish she used that colour scheme more.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Look, I can understand why you don't like Ranger. I will admit the hat thing was a little shaky, but it was a friend's idea and I liked it enough that I wanted to put it in even if Ranger wasn't in the party. But please, don't just make non-sequitur "jokes" for the sake of them. He needs different hats, maybe a monocle. And it makes sense that he just wanders around the forest when he's not in the party, since that's how we found him anyway. Junpei posted:It's good. I will admit that Demon Ranger is badass (and, in my head, Yuuki Terumi levels of hammy). It's just... It is all subjective, though. I have yet to read an EO LP that I didn't find entertaining, but I do greatly enjoy this series, so I'm obviously biased, so eh.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:31
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Incidentally, you can't actually just disable Esbat on the 3rd turn of their Force Boost to make it so that their Force Boost wears off on the next turn. It's actually a permanent state. Also yeah, those guys were utter chumps in the original game (unless you SOMEHOW ended up with a low damage party. ) but EO2U went too far in the other direction with them.
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Junpei posted:It's good. I will admit that Demon Ranger is badass (and, in my head, Yuuki Terumi levels of hammy). It's just... Dr. Fetus posted:Incidentally, you can't actually just disable Esbat on the 3rd turn of their Force Boost to make it so that their Force Boost wears off on the next turn. It's actually a permanent state.
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BlackPersona posted:Never mind Force Boosts, just imagine how the Force Breaks look with Wilhelm's animations Y'know, that animation reminds me of a certain guest's special attack in SMT3...
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Mar 14, 2016 23:34
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:So what happens if you try? Do they just keep attempting their Force Breaks? Yep. Flame Demon does the same thing with Kingly Fire--if you stun her on the turn she's supposed to use it, she'll just try to cast it on the next turn.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:35
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Yep. Flame Demon does the same thing with Kingly Fire--if you stun her on the turn she's supposed to use it, she'll just try to cast it on the next turn. In other words, gently caress you for having a Gunner.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:37
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Yep. Flame Demon does the same thing with Kingly Fire--if you stun her on the turn she's supposed to use it, she'll just try to cast it on the next turn. Leg Binding her or using another disable to stop Kingly Fire doesn't have her attempting to use that skill again for some reason. If that happens, she just moves to the next part of her pattern. Flame Demon actually has a "skill" that checks to see if she's stunned, so it tells the AI to keep casting Kingly Fire in that case. Flame Demon only has a Stun resistance of 10%, which means its incredibly unlikely to even pull that off outside of Supreme Bolt. And Supreme Bolt is a Force Break, so it can only be used one time. I don't know what they were thinking there.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:I don't think you really have any right to tell other goons how they should be posting. Replying to Junpei is a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
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Oh yeah, I wanted to point this out and I forgot. These games have awful translations full of errors and laziness but they corrected how awful this particular battle was and I think it is worth pointing out. Taking images from Dr. Fetus' LP...  The game just gives the generic "monsters have appeared" text in the original for a reason that can literally only be laziness. This is dumb as hell, of course, Now here... ...it makes sense! And this isn't the only correction, as their death had an interesting quirk... (unrelated, I appreciate how the model for Artelinde keeps the same pose as her original sprite)  ...namely, that since apparently the game saw them as normal monsters instead of something unique, we got a completely nonsensical "the" there, as if Artelind(e) and Wilhelm were a part of a race. Now... ...the game correctly refers to them as individuals. A surprisingly good work of an otherwise flawed translation that literally copy-pasted the original without making changes where they were needed, if I understood correctly.
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It's probably less translation errors and more a programming slipup for classification of enemy types. EO2 was rushed as hell on both fronts so I'm not surprised there's stuff like that Edit: vvv so yeah, there just weren't any exceptions for special enemies if that's the case Reco fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 23:45
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Yeah, starting with EO3, the games started implementing the ability to override "Monsters have appeared!" with custom messages, such as "You stand before the Heavenbringer!" in EO4. Atlus is actually SUPER lazy with cleaning those up from game to game--EO2U's battle message file still has, among others:
As well as messages from the loving multiplayer functionality from EO3--"A communications error has occurred," among others.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:46
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BlackPersona posted:Look at that stupid goof, hahaha. Wilhelm learned everything he knows about shooting from those "renegade cop who doesn't play by the rules" movies. I do like the bullet holes in the screen effect, though.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:48
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Yeah, starting with EO3, the games started implementing the ability to override "Monsters have appeared!" with custom messages, such as "You stand before the Heavenbringer!" in EO4. Future-proofing. The moment they make EO3U or EO4U, they'll have the lines already in the game, and therefore they'll have less effort at that time. See, it's genius, not laziness. it's absolutely laziness
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Blaze Dragon posted:Future-proofing. The moment they make EO3U or EO4U, they'll have the lines already in the game, and therefore they'll have less effort at that time. See, it's genius, not laziness. it's absolutely laziness I think my favorite is: "The ultimate weapon has annihilated everything..." Which is from EOU's story mode, when you fail to kill M.I.K.E. before the Gungnir timer runs out (iirc). I'd estimate over half of the battlemessage table is just text from older EOs that Atlus didn't clean up for whatever reason.
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