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tokenbrownguy posted:At least you get a FtF roll. When my Nomad buddy rolls up with MSV2/Smoke I just have to watch. You do realize that you can still shoot back at -6 MOD or dodge like normal, right? Re: TAGs and impersonation: I've no experience vs TAGs, but I use a speculo. Have your guys cover each other with their LOF. The imp might kill one dude, but then loses impersonation state and is very vulnerable to AROs. When I use one I often have to guess which target is best (high cost, high ARM, liutenant, neither which is easy to find in Ariadna) and just assume I'll lose the model after the first kill.
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What!? The rules for an ARO action say that you need LoF for both dodge or shoot. Am I missing something? Thanks for the advice about imp. I'll be sure to layer defense on the shell-game.
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tokenbrownguy posted:What!? If you can track LoF to the model (even through smoke) AND its firing at you, you get an ARO. Its one of the changes from N2. Re-read the smoke and zero visibility zone rules. The Umbra are the C'tan 
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Sir Teabag posted:And flame throwers will hit them, and burn their impersonator status right off their stupid loving faces.
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How do I tell which Steel Phalanx models have Enomotarchos and what model types they can link with? Army5 doesn't seem to show it. Flipswitch posted:The new Umbra is a fuckin ghost Where are you seeing this? Is there a model preview site independent of the official CB site?
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This is a bit of a long shot I expect but I've essentially decided that if I get back into Infinity I want to do so with the epically amazing new sculpts. This means I have a fair chunk of four factions which are all older sculpts that I can't bring myself to use when the new versions are so much nicer. Will anyone be wanting to buy the older ones? I'd be surprised but you never know...
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There's a bunch of angles on the new model here; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRfMQZgJ0tc
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New Umbra looks an awful lot like a Waramahordes mini.ineptmule posted:This is a bit of a long shot I expect but I've essentially decided that if I get back into Infinity I want to do so with the epically amazing new sculpts. This means I have a fair chunk of four factions which are all older sculpts that I can't bring myself to use when the new versions are so much nicer. I might, depending on what you've got and how much you're asking. I don't think anyone's going to report you if you post what you've got and prices. Geographic location would also probably be a good idea.
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Yeah I figured part two of this conversation would involve some detail. I'll get a list put together and some pictures.
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Acceptableloss posted:Where are you seeing this? Is there a model preview site independent of the official CB site? Beasts of war
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Well I've got it narrowed down to just Yu Jing or Aelph. Can someone explain the principles of army building to me? Like, as an objective based game what do you look for when building an army? Do you take like, one of each sniper/stabbyman/mechanic/hacker/shotgun guy or can I take 5 shotgun guy and try to murder everyone?
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Pierzak posted:I'll just say this: the model owns. except the bit where I play with the S2 token and he stays off the table like a FOW flyer.* * - Ive never played FOW so I have no idea if this is true
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For casual games, bring what you think is cool. But if you are playing missions, SOME variety helps. It won't help you to bring all the murder only to have a TO camo specialist grab all the objectives while you fail to even discover him, and your killy HI link team can be turned into hi-tech statuary by a single hacker tossing repeaters around. Backup plans are always a good thing. So the main thing is: get some variety, but keep your focus. You don't need to freak out and bring one of every engineer/doctor/hacker/FO to every list. One list can be camo-focused, but still bring a drop unit or even a TAg for distraction and intimidation. And of course, doctors keep everyone fighting longer in addition to being specialists. In events, you'll know the missions in advance and can build toward them. For a TAC general list, just focus on getting plenty of orders and have anti-camo and a few anti-TAG countermeasures, then build what you like.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Well I've got it narrowed down to just Yu Jing or Aelph. Can someone explain the principles of army building to me? Like, as an objective based game what do you look for when building an army? Do you take like, one of each sniper/stabbyman/mechanic/hacker/shotgun guy or can I take 5 shotgun guy and try to murder everyone? Sure. The two most important rules are: - have enough regular orders - at least: 6 for 150pt, 8 for 200pt, 10+ for 300pt. A maximum of 1 AD/TO camo counts into those, all others have to be beyond that count. That's because they don't provide orders until they appear on the table. - be able to point at any of your models and say what's its role, what it's supposed to do. Is it a main attacker? Backup attacker? Stationary fire support? Area control? Terror unit/harasser? Mission specialist? DZ defense? Yes, the plan changes every time the enemy does something, but having clear knowledge of your stuff helps a lot. More specific list building stuff (names refer to s[pecific YJ/Aleph units): Does your meta play mainly ITS (the official tournament system), or other stuff like YAMS/20x20/custom scenarios? The difference is that ITS has clear scoring (specialist) models - only hackers/doctors/paramedics/engineers/FOs/specialist troops/chain of command can activate mission consoles and there are secret objectives that can only be fulfilled by one or two specific specialists from the list. tl;dr: you want extra specialists (camo infiltrators , fast units, hard to kill are better)for ITS, ignore this if you won't play ITS. Good stuff to have anyway: -1-2 camo infiltrators (Guilang/Naga) in some variation of FO/hacker/minelayer - some basic combi grunts to provide extra orders and protect flanks/empty spaces in your DZ against AD - basic remotes - total reaction is great area control and can murderbot the gently caress out of basic troops until put down by camo, sensor is cheap fast specialist, can sniff out hidden TO models and can triangulated-fire at camo without penalties. - a harasser, basically something to make the enemy waste orders on and cannot be ignored because they pose actual risk. Stuff like Tigers, Garudas/Ekdromoi, Oniwaban. - TO camo snipers are great. You want to deploy close to your edge to take advantage of extreme range, losing the infiltration advantage, but rear end in a top hat tournament organizers tend to put good sniper towers just out of DZ so it's still good to have. The best thing is that you deploy them in HD and choose when to reveal or whether you want to take the bait. For extra hilarity, take a second TO sniper to kill stuff that wants to hunt the first one  - Take a Warcor. The Journalist bonus is useless outside campaign, but 3pts for long-range Flash Pulse ARO and a pair of eyes for Discover is cheap. Alternatively, use him as a mine catcher - other good stuff for  : Yan Huo HRMC (heavy fire support), Yaoxie (hunter drones with MSV. Have repeaters so you can put upgrades on them from anywhere), Aragoto (glass cannons but great for blitzkrieg and fast specialists), Kuang Shi (disposable suicide troops and cheap orders), Daofei (just a camo infiltrator, oh wait it's a HI with weapons to match), Karakuri (- I don't know much about Aleph so no advice there. But check if you like the look of Imperial Service sectorial, it's got access to some Aleph units.
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dexefiend posted:I am not smitten by the camo marker style... i want to have three of the Devil Dogs and a biker gang charging across the table. Have a look at my post on the previous page and apply Pierzak's advice above without the YuJing-specific unit names. As with the guy above asking about what army he should play based on his 40k army preferences: armies do not really have different playstyles in the way you're thinking of. I know I just said Ariadna had a lot of camouflage infiltrators. That can be read as 'they have good and competitive options for camo infiltrators, with a wide variety of special twists. Therefore you often see ITS lists from that faction featuring a heavy emphasis on these units' - and Ariadna is one of the more extreme examples in this game, because they just don't get some of the other categories of nasty trick which other, higher-tech factions do. Not to crap on tokenbrownguy's post, but PanO's 'good shooting' and Yu Jing's 'good close combat' translate into models which work in a very similar way. Both have plenty of elite models and high-tech options, Yu Jing units have a very small incremental CC increase, as PanO has an incremental BS increase. This does not alter your tactical decisions in any way whilst playing the game. Both factions have access to CC specialists (all other units, in Infinity, are by definition shooting specialists; even CC specialists will often find it better to shoot either with an auto-hitting template or with a conventional BS weapon), perhaps Yu Jing has a few more options, but PanO has plenty to fill their needs. To answer your question specifically, you could easily have 6-7 aggressive, irregular troops in an army list (Devil Dogs and Desperadoes both fill this role) although this would be an extreme choice even in a killing-based mission, and decidedly sub-optimal in one which demands a lot of specialists. This is because all those units require other, Regular, models to feed them orders. If you want to take so many Impetuous/Irregular models, you kind of have to live with the fact that your other guys will play a more passive/defensive role in order to enable their attack. If you had too many such Irregular models, not only would they run out of orders, but you would lack other essential tools, like long-range weapons, flank guards, specialists, defensive tools like mines or suppression fire, etc.
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Sephyr posted:One list can be camo-focused, but still bring a drop unit or even a TAg for distraction and intimidation. TAG plus camo infiltration specialists is my favourite game plan and I have two different lists for different armies that do the same thing; I was thinking of making lists for every other army that can do this, lol. TAG makes a scene while the camo infiltrators do the actual work. USAriadna has 7th Foxtrot Rangers who are essentially Bakunin Zeroes but sadly they're too low tech to get a TAG option, not even a merc like Scarface and Cordelia. Edit: Looks like Merovingian can do it with Chasseurs and Anacondas though BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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I'm gonna head down to my LGS this weekend to confirm that some people play this, but I think I want to at least paint some Yu Jing. The models look insane. http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/33619/s/cvb280301-0008/ http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/33650/s/cvb280337-0207/ Which one of those should I get? The green sword guy in the second one looks awesome, but I feel the original starter might be better to learn. Also, is this the current rulebook? http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/42448/s/cvb289503/
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That's the correct rulebook but if you don't want a hardcopy the PDF is 100% free. I have it because I wanted a hardcopy and it's a very nice book, plus it comes with the fluff.
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With three USARF boxes, you could always go for the comedy option of three devil dog teams and three Mavericks. Smoke everywhere your first turn! Arrgytehpirate posted:I'm gonna head down to my LGS this weekend to confirm that some people play this, but I think I want to at least paint some Yu Jing. The models look insane. The JSA box is for a subfaction, the Japanese Sectorial Army. Sectorials limit your possible choices, but you get bonuses like higher availability for some models as well as the fireteam rules, which let you use multiple models in one order. It's not a bad faction, but they're definitely on the lighter, sneakier side as opposed to the regular Imperial Service YJ army. That is the current rulebook, but if you like, you can get the entire ruleset for free from here: http://infinitythegame.com/archive.php The physical copy is two books, one of which is the rules and some (but not all) model profiles, and one is just fluff. If you want the fluff, you'll need the book.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Which one of those should I get? The green sword guy in the second one looks awesome, but I feel the original starter might be better to learn. And yeah, that's the current rulebook, but you'll want the Human Sphere rules PDF (not the book because it's getting a new edition in like a month) as well. Or you can go PDFs only, the printed book is for fluff and pretty pictures. ed: Oh, and get a Warcor. And the above lists are:  Japanese Sectorial Army - Stage 1────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 8 0 0 DOMARU Lieutenant Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25) KEMPEI (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW, Electric Pulse. (23) KEISOTSU HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 17) KEISOTSU Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 14) KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (9) ONIWABAN Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (41)2.5 SWC | 149 Points Open with Army 5 Japanese Sectorial Army - Stage 2────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 2 ASUKA KISARAGI Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Assault Pistol, Knife. (27) ARAGOTO Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (24) (proxy this one with the hacker) KEMPEI (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW, Electric Pulse. (23) KEISOTSU HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 17) KEISOTSU Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 14) KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (9) ONIWABAN Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (41) DOMARU Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25)2.5 SWC | 200 Points Open with Army 5 Japanese Sectorial Army - Stage 3────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 3 ASUKA KISARAGI Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Assault Pistol, Knife. (27) ARAGOTO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30) ARAGOTO Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26) KEISOTSU HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 17) KEISOTSU Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 14) KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (9) ONIWABAN Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (41) WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (16)Group 2 4 1 1 HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) ARAGOTO Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (24) DOMARU Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25) KEMPEI (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW, Electric Pulse. (23) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (3)5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 5 Pierzak fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Pierzak posted:I'll just say this: I'm going to have to agree. It looks way to 40k or malifaux-y for my taste. I'll just use the umbra legate model if the statline is good.
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Also worth noting that the JSA starter is newer, and I somewhat suspect we'll see a resculpt of the Yu Jing starter before too long. Those Zhanshi are showing their age more.
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Not a viking posted:If you can track LoF to the model (even through smoke) AND its firing at you, you get an ARO. Its one of the changes from N2. Re-read the smoke and zero visibility zone rules. Thanks. This changes a lot.
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Not a viking posted:You do realize that you can still shoot back at -6 MOD or dodge like normal, right? Dodge is at -3 because you can't draw LOF to the attacker (Assuming you can't see through smoke)
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I actually really like the look of the samaritn. The biggest concern is obviously the silhouette discrepancy, but even the legate needs the marker to measure a good deal of the time. Who knows... could be associated to some new special rule.
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Exmond posted:Dodge is at -3 because you can't draw LOF to the attacker (Assuming you can't see through smoke) Only applies to templates.
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Forums goon selnaric's garage continues to have improvements and additions, such as this new drawer.
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Cross posting from the painting thread, do these look too bright? Wondering if I should put a dirty wash over them or something
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by.a.teammate posted:Cross posting from the painting thread, do these look too bright? Wondering if I should put a dirty wash over them or something There, I fixed it:  Explanation: - I added some light grey to the basic colors and highlighted all protruding elements as shown, you can do it with normal edge-highlighting but I like to add a drop of Vallejo Glaze Medium to the mix, which helps a ton with getting semi-transparent highlights (and it's a godsend for OSL) and makes the paint behave better. Highlights look better, help with masking mistakes (like the bit of green on the breastplate here; I normally say gently caress it and just paint it over with the highlight). It's still bright but not as eye-popping. - for red, add a bit of purple and do as above but in the recesses. Trickier than it sounds, personally I'd paint it darker from the start and just highlight to your shade. - black rims 4 lyfe also, marking LOF arcs helps.
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Pierzak posted:Human Sphere N3 preorder date confirmed as March 28th. Any goons going to Adepticon that would be willing to pick up a copy for me?
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Woop woop! Pre-ordering the living poo poo out of that. Had such a good time at that tournament in Birmingham over the weekend, I'm driving for 90min each way to go to another one in Liverpool this next weekend, and have signed up for one in Leeds in May. Going to bring my A-game. If I'm honest, while there are a lot of players with more rounded experience both at the missions and at playing various opposing armies, I think if I work at it and do the right thinking about mission strategy, I might just win one eventually.
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