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CINEMATIC GOLD Better than the literal tentacle rape that's in the first OVA at any rate. Why Japan. Why 1985 Japan. Why.
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Mar 13, 2016 21:38
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Burkion posted:CINEMATIC GOLD Because we deserved it, that's why.
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Mar 13, 2016 21:38
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Someone needs to make a documentary about whatever societal trauma lead to tentacle rape as a cultural meme.
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Mar 13, 2016 21:41
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Detective No. 27 posted:Someone needs to make a documentary about whatever societal trauma lead to tentacle rape as a cultural meme. Censorship and repression. Lots of both.
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Mar 13, 2016 21:42
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Detective No. 27 posted:Someone needs to make a documentary about whatever societal trauma lead to tentacle rape as a cultural meme. I believe showing genitalia in a pornographic context is illegal in Japan, so tentacle rape came about as a way to show schoolgirls getting raped (okay) without anything disgusting like human sexual organs (bad)
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Mar 13, 2016 21:46
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I always figured it was revenge on us for Hiroshima.
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Mar 13, 2016 21:46
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The theme of Captain America Civil War is that political differences among people in the same rung of society can never be fully resolved without violence, and that diplomacy is a distraction and only might makes right. Really good idea for a widely released and advertised American flick in 2016
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Mar 13, 2016 22:05
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The theme of Captain America Civil War is that political differences among people in the same rung of society can never be fully resolved without violence, and that diplomacy is a distraction and only might makes right. Really good idea for a widely released and advertised American flick in 2016 I like where you are going with this now lets go one step father.
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Mar 13, 2016 22:37
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The first clip from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. I think they really nailed the personalities of the characters here, as well as the ridiculous toys the franchise often gets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3iXS581ddU
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Mar 14, 2016 00:29
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The MSJ posted:The first clip from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. I think they really nailed the personalities of the characters here, as well as the ridiculous toys the franchise often gets. They had the characters down pat in the first film, it's just a shame about the rest. Really letting them shine here though. :allears;
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Mar 14, 2016 00:36
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multijoe posted:I believe showing genitalia in a pornographic context is illegal in Japan, so tentacle rape came about as a way to show schoolgirls getting raped (okay) without anything disgusting like human sexual organs (bad) this is only mostly true japan has always had a thing for tentacles see The Dream of a fisherman's wife
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Mar 14, 2016 01:48
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Elfgames posted:this is only mostly true japan has always had a thing for tentacles see The Dream of a fisherman's wife That's what happens when you're surrounded by ocean on all sides. You start looking to other things to be comfy with. Don't forget about the various largely isolated lands and their sheep. Humans are weird, weird creatures. Still doesn't justify shoving gratuitous tentacle rape into an otherwise not at all sexual or hentai related anime though! That's not even the weirdest sexual thing they did to Fem Guyver II though. Like, as weird as that is to say. So okay, tentacle rape, that's pretty loving bad. But technically I guess it kind of happens to the dudes too, in the anime and manga. Just not as explicitly sexualized and meant to be titillating. But whatever sure fine SURE FINE SURE FINE FORGIVE THE TENTACLE RAPE WHATEVER Then you get to near the end of the movie, Guyver and F Guyver II are duking it out, and like in the manga, F Guyver II's control metal gets damaged and she starts to melt and warp and decompose and nasty poo poo happens. So the Guyver uses his big gently caress off chest beam on her. In every single other media adaptation, movies, animes, everything, that vaporizes whatever it hits in one shot the end. Against Melting Guyvers, it atomizes them and if you briefly see anything, it's their twisted meaty remains before they too are removed from existence. F Guyver II is instead of killed, stripped completely naked and instead of being a horrible mass of literally eating her own body alive mess like every other Control Metal-less Guyver, she's totally fine. So she hangs in the air totally nude, lets out an orgasmic scream, and then in the most sanitized way possible all of her body disappears in a gradual way until only her tits are left and they are the last thing to go. Who ever animated the 1985 Guyver OVA was the loneliest, horniest animator in the world is what I'm trying to say. He NEEDED those precious seconds of anime tits to get him through his presumably horrific, bleak existence. The worst thing is, outside of those two moments of WHAT THE gently caress WHY, the first OVA is a really cool thing with excellent animation and wonky looking character models that's great to see as a fan for how far it's come. I just can never recommend it to people because yeah, you're going to get hit face first with primeo anime bullshit. The only nice thing I can say is that at least F Guyver II was a grown woman and not literally a child.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:00
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I am 140% in favor of them looking at the first new TMNT movie and saying "but how can we make this dumber and more fun" and cranking the knob all the way to "very dumb"
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Mar 14, 2016 03:21
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Looking forward to TMNT 2. Really.
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Mar 14, 2016 05:51
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The MSJ posted:The first clip from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. I think they really nailed the personalities of the characters here, as well as the ridiculous toys the franchise often gets. I'm really glad they didn't show the nunchucks in the original trailer.
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Mar 14, 2016 05:52
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Am I insane or the truck's horn sounds similar to the 80's cartoon song?
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Mar 14, 2016 06:13
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Am I insane or the truck's horn sounds similar to the 80's cartoon song? It's "Turtles in a half shell", yeah. computer parts posted:I'm really glad they didn't show the nunchucks in the original trailer. Odd, I could've sworn they were.
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Mar 14, 2016 06:15
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Huh. At first I thought Leo didn't sound like Johnny Knoxville anymore. IMDB says its still him though. Always liked that guy. Glad to see hes still a part of it. PS - Parts of that scene were filmed in Buffalo, for some reason.
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Mar 14, 2016 06:22
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JediTalentAgent posted:I had an old comic book movie/media magazine from the late 80s/early 90s I recently threw away just due to quality, but it had a thing at the end about several productions allegedly in development at that time. The old trade mags are great for stuff like that, I found a blog a while back where some guy trawls through the old movie trade magazines for announcements on movies that never ended up getting made. Guy A. Person posted:This is like the most bizarre current CD meme to me, and it doesn't just happen with superheros, I've seen it happen recently in the Ghostbusters and especially the Star Wars* thread. The idea that people don't just have bad taste or are dumb but actually know that they are objectively wrong and are just scrambling desperately to not lose face. It's a lovely strawman/ad hominem attack dialed up to 11. "I am so certain that I am so obviously correct in this matter that I cannot believe any honest, open minded person could possibly hold the opposing viewpoint, therefore anyone who disagrees with me must be lying." I guess in the modern era it was popularized by  but it's leaking out into other media.
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Mar 14, 2016 07:40
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Burkion posted:That's what happens when you're surrounded by ocean on all sides. U mad?
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Mar 14, 2016 08:34
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ALFbrot posted:I am 140% in favor of them looking at the first new TMNT movie and saying "but how can we make this dumber and more fun" and cranking the knob all the way to "very dumb" It's a fine tradition created way back when by Secret of Ooze.
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Mar 14, 2016 13:58
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I 100% support this thread becoming the official Guyver discussion thread
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Mar 14, 2016 14:22
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Tomahawk posted:I 100% support this thread becoming the official Guyver discussion thread I think I still have the ten or so VHS tapes of the Anime series in my cellar. All I can think of though is what a gigantic rip-off that was, the episodes were like 30 minutes long and cost as much as a regular movie. I could have owned ten+ copies of Fist of the North Star! The episode where the five super-monsters fight Guyver and then Dark Guyver shows up owns, though.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:00
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wyoming posted:Odd, I could've sworn they were.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:33
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Grendels Dad posted:It's a fine tradition created way back when by Secret of Ooze. I've always maintained that Secret of the Ooze was 20+ years ahead of its time. e: I mean, people really got excited about a superhero film with a ninja-weapon-wielding protagonist who doesn't take anything seriously and constantly breaks the fourth wall in 2016 with Deadpool. Secret of the Ooze did all that before it was cool. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 16:37
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Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was Knoxville or not. He's putting in a completely different tone.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:41
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feedmyleg posted:e: I mean, people really got excited about a superhero film with a sword-wielding protagonist who doesn't take anything seriously and constantly breaks the fourth wall in 2016 with Deadpool. Secret of the Ooze did all that before it was cool.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:44
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It's a great 3 Stooges movie.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:45
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Knoxville was also a last-minute voice replacement on the first movie, wasn't he? I could have sworn that both he and Shalhoub were announced just a couple of months before the movie was released, as opposed to the rest of the voice cast.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:46
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Lumpy the Cook posted:U mad? I actually am because the first Guyver OVA is pretty fantastic all for 1985 anime. Great action, great animation, unique story that does something very different with the one everyone knows, F Guyver II has a unique Guyver design and is an even better fighter than Guyver II, Sho isn't a total putz, and you get all of the weirdo off model and not quite right designs due to it being made so soon. It's this weird AU universe and I'd LOVE to see where it went after that. Fat luck about suggesting anyone watch it though because of the literal tentacle rape!
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Mar 14, 2016 17:20
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Yeah, TMNT went through some weird thing where they had the voice cast do a lot of the mocap themselves on set. Then subsequently they replaced Leonardo with a new voice, to get a name actor I guess(?)Then also I think Leonardo's original mocap guy still came back for this one too, so I guess he wasn't too mad about it.
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Mar 14, 2016 17:20
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They got a different actress for Karai and a different actor for Shredder also. William Fitchner is lucky as hell, didn't he sign on to do like three or four pictures as THE SHREDDER or whatever but now he gets to collect that sweet money for a few minutes of being which ever Japanese actor Shredder they get for that installment's lackey?
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Mar 14, 2016 18:03
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Burkion posted:I actually am because the first Guyver OVA is pretty fantastic all for 1985 anime. Great action, great animation, unique story that does something very different with the one everyone knows, F Guyver II has a unique Guyver design and is an even better fighter than Guyver II, Sho isn't a total putz, and you get all of the weirdo off model and not quite right designs due to it being made so soon. Women being treated as sex objects...IN AN ANIME??? 
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Mar 14, 2016 19:13
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Guy A. Person posted:This is like the most bizarre current CD meme to me, and it doesn't just happen with superheros, I've seen it happen recently in the Ghostbusters and especially the Star Wars* thread. The idea that people don't just have bad taste or are dumb but actually know that they are objectively wrong and are just scrambling desperately to not lose face. It's not that complicated to understand why people think you're lying. It's first, obviously, because the movies CD feels the most compelled to defend - the prequels, Transformers, Man of Steel, etc - are, among the fanbase outside of this forum, generally considered among to be failed, embarrassing, bottom-tier trash for idiots. Of course, this isn't the whole story. There's also standard goon contrarianism; annoying when pro-Trump, baffling when pro-prequel. But really the main issue is how they defend these films that leads many to assume they're simply lying, either to themselves or others. If someone defends an Adam Sandler film by saying "I know Adam Sandler films are dumb but I like fart jokes even if I know they're not exactly high art" that's a comprehensible defense. When someone says "I like Adam Sandler movies because the man is a secret genius exploring the Jungian archetype of The Fool" then it's hard to not assume that the person is pulling your leg, and this is the standard type of the explanations for why these movies are actually good; not "I just like bright colors and explosions" but bloviating about vague and not-particularly-insightful notions of "artistry," overwrought and poorly-substantiated fan-theories and headcanons about secret depth and moral complexity, and, last, appeals to the sheer length of arguments rather than their points or value. I've read people refer positively to the 128-page rebuttal of The Phantom Menace review and the 30,000-word "Why The Transformers Films Are Good" character-vomit just because they are very long, as though their length meant anything in particular. I could, with no difficulty, dig up ten 300-page books that purport to rebut whatever your political and/or religious beliefs are. So it is not hard to see why people, when looking at both the quality of the subject of the defense and the quality of the defense itself, tend to find it easier to believe that people are deliberately lying or playing some kind of game, rather than these are really their sincere opinions. It is certainly easier and more comforting to believe than the alternative.
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Tezzor posted:It's not that complicated to understand why people think you're lying. It's first, obviously, because the movies CD feels the most compelled to defend - the prequels, Transformers, Man of Steel, etc - are, among the fanbase outside of this forum, generally considered among to be failed, embarrassing, bottom-tier trash for idiots. Of course, this isn't the whole story. There's also standard goon contrarianism; annoying when pro-Trump, baffling when pro-prequel. But really the main issue is how they defend these films that leads many to assume they're simply lying, either to themselves or others. If someone defends an Adam Sandler film by saying "I know Adam Sandler films are dumb but I like fart jokes even if I know they're not exactly high art" that's a comprehensible defense. When someone says "I like Adam Sandler movies because the man is a secret genius exploring the Jungian archetype of The Fool" then it's hard to not assume that the person is pulling your leg, and this is the standard type of the explanations for why these movies are actually good; not "I just like bright colors and explosions" but bloviating about vague and not-particularly-insightful notions of "artistry," overwrought and poorly-substantiated fan-theories and headcanons about secret depth and moral complexity, and, last, appeals to the sheer length of arguments rather than their points or value. I've read people refer positively to the 128-page rebuttal of The Phantom Menace review and the 30,000-word "Why The Transformers Films Are Good" character-vomit just because they are very long, as though their length meant anything in particular. I could, with no difficulty, dig up ten 300-page books that purport to rebut whatever your political and/or religious beliefs are. So it is not hard to see why people, when looking at both the quality of the subject of the defense and the quality of the defense itself, tend to find it easier to believe that people are deliberately lying or playing some kind of game, rather than these are really their sincere opinions. It is certainly easier and more comforting to believe than the alternative. There's also the common mistake people make that length of text = quality arguments. This of course is folly but there you are.
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HIJK posted:There's also the common mistake people make that length of text = quality arguments. This is the only thing that really annoys me. I like seeing effort posts. I hate when "someone made an effortpost, therefore their opinion is unarguable and your are obligated you agree with it" becomes a thing. Someone making an argument doesn't make their argument persuasive even if they use a lot of screenshots or text. I read the entire Transformers thing, I'm glad they made it, I just didn't find it convincing and it's tiring to be told that I MUST be convinced by it. It's the problem with a lot of criticism on this subforum. Rather than being a point for different analysis of a work it just becomes "this non-standard analysis is inherently right and we are smarter for having it."
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Mar 14, 2016 19:49
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Huh, I had assumed HIJK was making a joke about Tezzor's wall of text.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Women being treated as sex objects...IN AN ANIME??? No see, THAT'S FINE. Well it's not but you know, not something you're going to ever escape. I would like it if there wasn't an actual hentai scene going on though! I don't think you guys are believing me when I emphasize this- this isn't some pseudo tentacle rape thing or whatever implied thing. This isn't like Evil Dead. This is straight up 2-3 minutes of random full on Hentai in something that otherwise has nothing to do with it what so ever. it'd be like recommending a really good Superman movie but forgetting to mention the 3 minutes of hardcore porn that just happen in the middle for no drat reason. Some people just would not cotton to that being around.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Huh, I had assumed HIJK was making a joke about Tezzor's wall of text. I'm not that clever. I agree with ImpAtom.
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