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jabby posted:Regardless, it's the second poll so far that shows a big drop in Tory support which is ace. It's just mildly annoying that the whole tone of the press release seems to ooze 'Labour can't possibly be doing this well, everyone knows that'. I would think Labour would actually be doing a lot better if something was dealt to the press that kept them in line.
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Coohoolin posted:I'm pretty sure I grew up using European plugs in Swiss sockets every day? Ehh sorry I think I was misinformed a bit. I suppose they are compatible? I know I had problems when I was in Switzerland though. The grounding pin is still dickish. Not sure if better or worse than the Danish one though.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:55
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Guavanaut posted:If those Brussels bureaucrats want to force us to change plugs, I'll salute them. The BS 1363 three-pin (rectangular) is a piece of garbage and the idea that a phone charger or a netbook plug needs an earth pin that makes it twice the size is ridiculous. If they promised to force us to use 4mm Europlugs for all double insulated devices pulling less than 2.5A (or 5.1mm shaver-style plugs and 5A) I'd be on board with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q European plugs are loving poo poo. US plugs are loving poo poo. I don't even want to know what kind of crap they use in China, probably just stick knitting needles in the sockets. Also, accidentally standing on a UK plug builds character, and causes you to instinctively drive on the correct side of the road.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I work with big data and I work at a very large ISP. I think I might have some idea! I think I took the original post's "no problem" too literally
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XMNN posted:ecstasy and acid are p much dirt cheap for what they are, eg compared to a night out drinking depends who you go out drinking with really, and how many lap dances they have.
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Mar 14, 2016 22:04
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Guavanaut posted:And mandated more consistent use of ground fault trips instead of fuses in every plug. I'm pretty sure the standard in a consumer unit these days is to have an RCD on every circuit, with dedicated ones for cookers etc that need more power, and the UK design allows for the shutters the block the live/neutral until the earth pin is inserted (along with the insulated bits on the live/neutral so you can't grab those bits of the pin while there connected and get a shock). The individual fuse is in addition to the RCD, which isn't a bad thing, and is a hang-over from the fuse-wire days before trips
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LemonDrizzle posted:e: what happens if you run an opinion polling company and people lose confidence in your results is that they stop commissioning you to do market research for them and then you go broke. I've worked in Demand Planning and we had the same problem there: "Yes, we know our forecasts are always inaccurate but, hey, it's not like you have anything else to go on!  "Thinking about it, if polling companies ever DID develop utterly precise and infallible polling tools, there'd be no need for elections any more! It'd be a real money saver. Pistol_Pete fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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If pollsters care so much about the effects of rounding, maybe they shouldn't do it. Just one of my reckons there
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It's the Corbyn surge. FEEL THA POWAH. IT'S A NEW DAY!
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Private Speech posted:Looks so innnocent, but the holes are a tiny little bit too small. back to the house of lords with you
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Renfield posted:The individual fuse is in addition to the RCD, which isn't a bad thing, and is a hang-over from the fuse-wire days before trips I'd say the ring system is probably the worst out of all of them, saving small amounts of copper in exchange for having the outlets still potentially work with underrated wire and start in-wall fires, but forcing things that do not need an earthing pin to have one just to open the shutters is up there too. I remember a long time back we used to have lab sockets where the shutters had little dimples in them so they could be opened up either with a three pin rectangle or a two pin round, but not with a knitting needle or paperclip. That seems like a good compromise. It's also the exact thing that they specifically banned when the rest of Europe was trying to encourage 4mm Europlug compatibility in 3-pin wall outlets. tooterfish posted:anyone who thinks otherwise is a reactionary Europhile.
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tooterfish posted:UK plugs are clearly superior from a technical and safety standpoint, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a reactionary Europhile. i don't know if it matters but i like the fact most sockets in the UK have a switch to switch it off
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Mar 14, 2016 22:32
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Guavanaut posted:but forcing things that do not need an earthing pin to have one just to open the shutters is up there too. Why? It seems like a reasonable safety feature. Do people really want to get rid of that pin?
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Jose posted:i don't know if it matters but i like the fact most sockets in the UK have a switch to switch it off Me too, I don't like all my electricity leaking out in Europe.
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jabby posted:Why? It seems like a reasonable safety feature. Do people really want to get rid of that pin? Most places decided to combat this with a series of good standards for double insulation to ensure that this would never happen, and for devices where it could happen, went with a longer grounding pin or a strip on the outside of the plug that always made contact first, then mandated GFI/RCD combinations in case all that failed. That meant that most of your light duty electronics could get away with small plugs without you being in danger, whereas your heavy duty stuff got giant plugs and a grounding pin/strip/whatever. The UK decided to go with giant plugs for everyone, which doesn't offer much of an advantage in a lot of newer cases. Having your chargers or light electronics with 2 pins is no more dangerous than having your shaver or toothbrush with 2 pins now. I suppose these exist, but they look like One Weird Trick that firefighters hate.
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Guavanaut posted:Should just get everyone to install these: ring mains are loving terrible and the reason bs-1363 is so loving overdesigned is because british wiring is crap. the fuse is only there to protect the wiring from faults because 3A @ 240V is enough power to burn out just about any tiny device and 13A @ 240V is enough to burn out anything else. It's not gonna stop your faulty device from blowing up, just the mains lead. Earthed plugs are cool and good and so are RCD/GFCI but the rest of the world just fuses at the consumer unit and moved on. The caltrop that is the plug is also way too loving large but that's not really fixable unless you rewire the entire country. e: blame ww2 for making it seem like a good idea to cheap out on copper Malcolm XML fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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jabby posted:Why? It seems like a reasonable safety feature. Do people really want to get rid of that pin? I think originally the commonplace socket type was not intended for low power applications, instead you would use a two pin unearthed socket which ran at a much lower voltage. But then we started just using three pin for everything.
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Malcolm XML posted:The caltrop that is the plug is also way too loving large but that's not really fixable unless you rewire the entire country. At least it doesn't fall out when a cat looks at it
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OwlFancier posted:I think originally the commonplace socket type was not intended for low power applications, instead you would use a two pin unearthed socket which ran at a much lower voltage. You still see them around in theatres and hotels sometimes. And India and South Africa and probably some other former colonies. As Malcolm XML said though, the wiring behind the whole thing was terrible and so the decision was made to overdesign at the socket. Also in the old old round pin ones you could just shove a hairpin into them without anything stopping you, but that has been fixed for a while, I'd be very surprised if you saw any unshuttered round pin ones. Or maybe not given some of the 'housing' stock being shoved back onto the market. 
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OwlFancier posted:I think originally the commonplace socket type was not intended for low power applications, instead you would use a two pin unearthed socket which ran at a much lower voltage. I was actually talking about using the earth pin to open the covers over the live and neutral, to prevent kids sticking things in there. You can get rid of the earth and have slightly smaller plugs, but you would lose that feature.
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So how does the rest of the world wire up houses compared to us? I'd never thought there was a difference until now.
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jabby posted:I was actually talking about using the earth pin to open the covers over the live and neutral, to prevent kids sticking things in there. You can get rid of the earth and have slightly smaller plugs, but you would lose that feature. He already mentioned that some three pin sockets have cammed covers on the lower holes so they can be pushed open by round pins, so no.
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Private Speech posted:Ehh sorry I think I was misinformed a bit. I suppose they are compatible? I know I had problems when I was in Switzerland though. Yeah we bought stuff from Italy all the time and it worked fine. The bitch of it is when you bring your Swiss poo poo to Europe and forget about the missing third hole in the sockets, because a lot of Swiss plugs don't bother with three prongs anyway so you get used to just thinking like that.
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jabby posted:I was actually talking about using the earth pin to open the covers over the live and neutral, to prevent kids sticking things in there. You can get rid of the earth and have slightly smaller plugs, but you would lose that feature. Tesseraction posted:So how does the rest of the world wire up houses compared to us? I'd never thought there was a difference until now.  Everything going to a certain room goes to a junction box through wiring rated for greater than the whole of that room, then each socket gets a wire from the junction box rated for greater than that socket, so say 15A for a 13A socket. There's no way to overload the wiring without deliberately doing something bad. If a wire comes loose, the socket stops working. The UK uses a ring circuit:  The wires for each ring (usually one ring for every couple of rooms, plus one for big rooms like the kitchen, but lol British housing) split out in two ways and go in and out of each socket in a big loop. The wires are rated for 2/3 of the ring, so say 20A wire for a 30A ring. Because the current goes around both ways, that's theoretically below the rated value of the wire, and it saves a bit of copper. Problem is, if one of those wires falls out, or if there's a break in the ring due to something gnawing it, everything will keep working fine without you noticing. You can load up the full 30A on the ring on one side of the break and not notice a problem, but you now have 30A going through a 20A rated wire, which is probably inside a drywall conduit full of sawdust and dry mouse poo poo. Then you have a problem.
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Cool I see 30 seconds of the news and they have a disabled person on saying cuts to his care are actually good because they taught him how to shop online. BBC bringin that balance
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Funny. I learned to shop online because of a desire for cheap books and electrical goods, but I can see how a crippling fear of homelessness and death might work too. IDS really knows his stuff, he's been on the dole and everything. edit: electrical goods with BRITISH PLUGS mind you. tooterfish fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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The fash did not have a fun night in Portsmouth tonight 
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Oberleutnant posted:The fash did not have a fun night in Portsmouth tonight No-one has a fun night in Portsmouth, so that's not surprising.
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Guavanaut posted:Most of the developed world uses a radial circuit: Ahh, nice. Yeah I see the problem with our system now. Still like are pluggs, though.
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baka kaba posted:Cool I see 30 seconds of the news and they have a disabled person on saying cuts to his care are actually good because they taught him how to shop online. BBC bringin that balance Naturally. I trust he is investing the savings into his pauper ISA. They really cannot do enough for the undeserving poor. Wait, it wasn't that shill who wrote articles about how sanctions help disabled people shake off their sponging ways, was it?
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Tesseraction posted:Ahh, nice. Yeah I see the problem with our system now. Still like are pluggs, though. its a costs savings due to austerity that imposed long term burdens on society for not even a lot of short term gain what kind of leftist are you
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Cerv posted:I think I took the original post's "no problem" too literally Well it's "no problem" in the sense that cheap mass distributed storage has been a solved problem for over a decade now. It's "not a lot of data" in the sense that it's basically text so it's unlikely to even approach the storage requirements of anything involving mass video. Assuming the government isn't planning on doing its ad hoc analytic processes on said data using the ISPs' own infrastructure you certainly won't need the latency of Twitter. It all depends on use cases... It would be interesting to know if the government even has the slightest idea of what this would actually really look like in practice. Edit: As much as I'd love to believe the ICM poll it shows UKIP on 11 and SNP on 3... Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:
UKIP field candidates everywhere but SNP can only be voted in in Scotland, wouldn't that account for it?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:As much as I'd love to believe the ICM poll it shows UKIP on 11 and SNP on 3... Why is that surprising, UKIP got more than twice as many votes as the SNP during the GE. The SNP has a vote share most comparable to the Greens. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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winegums posted:UKIP field candidates everywhere but SNP can only be voted in in Scotland, wouldn't that account for it? UKIP normally gets 12-16% and SNP 4-5% in national polls. So unless you believe both the SNP and UKIP have suddenly lost ~20% of their vote back to Labour it's an outlier.
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Tesseraction posted:Ahh, nice. Yeah I see the problem with our system now. Still like are pluggs, though.  I haven't seen it make any headway anywhere though.
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So William Hague has taken to the Telegraph and basically admitted more budget cuts make no goddamn sense but we should do them anyway. Some choice bits:quote:But he also receives a great deal of other advice, such as the report from a group of economists called the Item Club, saying it would be “bad economics” to go ahead with £4 billion of fresh cuts to government spending. These economists are no doubt experienced and well-informed professionals. You can understand their line of reasoning: since the world economy is slowing, affecting the British economy as it does so, taking more spending out of the Government’s own Budget might accidentally slow it down a bit more – therefore don’t do it. Or to put it another way, yes lots of economists are telling us that cutting is a bad idea. But we can ignore them because economics isn't one of those 'sciences' where cuts might actually affect things like businesses and individuals. No, the important thing is to maintain confidence that we have a 'plan' and that 'discipline' will be 'exerted'. So yeah, government cuts are more about sending a message than being based on any economic evidence.
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Guavanaut posted:A few years back a design student redesigned the plug in a way that would allow it to keep all the good features (shutters and partway insulation over the live pins, grounding pin always making contact first) while stopping it being an unwieldy piece of poo poo that lands spikes up on the floor and cracks laptop screens and takes up too much space on a power strip or in a bag. And it's even backwards compatible during any changeover period. Wouldn't be allowed to have earth and a power pin so close, probably. Then there's the matter of fragility... What I want to know is how the hell you cracked a laptop screen with a wall plug. Those two things shouldn't go anywhere near each other.
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HorseLord posted:Wouldn't be allowed to have earth and a power pin so close, probably. Then there's the matter of fragility... some people occasionally unplug their laptops
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