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I like to believe that at some point, possibly in the ARG, Howard transformed Megan into one of the pigs. Is there a subreddit that can help me with this? Similarly, with her new costume, Michelle becomes a duck. Honeypot.
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Sir Kodiak posted:It can't be both the more interesting way to go and the way that's so rote and obvious that it always happens. Sure it can, the fact that she's doing it because of her previous regrets is what makes it interesting. It's always a trap, this is certain. The fact that she's making a terrible decision because her regrets are so strong makes it interesting. Right choice, wrong time. Jenny Angel posted:Of course not, you big goof. This is like the very basic concept of subtext and theme and also direct text if that's more your jam - if our protagonist is explicitly a survivor of child abuse and she spends the whole movie reckoning with, and attempting to get out from under the thumb of, an abuser, then the ending she meets will probably have something to say about being an abuse survivor The aliens don't care if she's a abuse survivor or not. With no more bottles to ignite and chuck at their little ships, much less the Big Honking One (to say nothing about the red rover things), she's dead.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:01
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MisterBibs posted:It's always a trap, this is certain. This is a really weird thing to keep saying when there's obvious counterexamples.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:02
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MisterBibs posted:The aliens don't care if she's a abuse survivor or not. Dang, that's rough. It's a good thing they didn't write and direct the film 10 Cloverfield Lane, then
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Mar 14, 2016 21:03
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Fat Pony posted:A theory floating around the subreddit is that there was no Brittany, and Howard was essentially telling the truth the entire time. Emmet lied about it being a different girl because he was the one who trapped Meagan in the air filtration room and eventually killed her. Other people have already pointed out that this is not streamlining, but it really doesn't even make sense. How is Emmett staying close to where he ostensibly murdered someone proof that he did it? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to take the free ride that will get him away from it, and thus further from chances of being caught? And how would Emmett have gotten into the bunker to keep Meagan/Brittany there? He's not going to have copies of the keys. And, besides all that, how does any of this reconcile with the fact that there is a picture of Howard, with a different girl, in his book, and that he doesn't show that one to Michelle? If he isn't in the position of having mentally replaced Meagan with Brittany, what reason does he have to do that? The whole theory makes way less sense than just taking what the film presents at face value. Really, this and Bibs's reading seem to fall into this weird void of 'things are more interesting/mature/deep if everything is poo poo and lies, and subverts your expectations' that seems to motivate a lot of bullshit fan theory readings. SuperMechagodzilla posted:People are getting dumb because the movie is about how to act on incomplete information without being an idiot or being paralyzed by indecision. I love you, SMG, especially when your Zizek/Lacan citations are things I actually know and understand. e: Jenny Angel posted:Dang, that's rough. It's a good thing they didn't write and direct the film 10 Cloverfield Lane, then This is my favorite post in this thread so far.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:04
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Jenny Angel posted:Dang, that's rough. It's a good thing they didn't write and direct the film 10 Cloverfield Lane, then But don't you see? It's so much better for a character to go through all these personal changes and then just die at the end. Just like real life! That makes it so much deeper, you see!
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Mar 14, 2016 21:09
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Hey, here's what the director says: “That ending was everything,” Trachtenberg said. “The idea of her choosing to go into certain danger is, I think, one of the coolest endings for a movie. Having that sense of character, what she’s like in the beginning and then seeing that decision in the end. It isn’t going into the sunset and everything is going to be okay. In fact, things are going to be potentially worse, but she’s ready to face it. That is the theme of the movie for me.” “It always would tickle the back of my brain, ‘Oh my god it would be so cool if this really was an origin story,’” he said. “But at the same time it’s cool that even if this were the only movie, how cool is it that the only movie is a badass little origin story? It makes it even more emotional at the end.” Which is what everyone but MisterBibs is saying.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:32
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Codependent Poster posted:Which is what everyone but MisterBibs is saying. Um... Codependent Poster posted:It isn’t going into the sunset and everything is going to be okay. In fact, things are going to be potentially worse He's saying precisely what I'm saying, if being less cynical.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:42
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Well, no. She's going into a war zone. It's not going to be okay. But it ain't no trap.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:44
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The idea that the aliens are using reverse psychology is pretty funny.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:52
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MisterBibs posted:Um... She's picking a fight with the aliens, and that's potentially worse than heading for the recaptured seaboard, in the same way that choosing the surface is more dangerous than cowering underground with john goodman. Soup du Journey fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 21:55
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CelticPredator posted:Well, no. She's going into a war zone. It's not going to be okay. You have a very odd definition of "not a trap". A 'war zone' that happens to be overseen by a big fuckoff enemy ship that is just sitting there unopposed is a trap.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:58
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Saw the movie today and just caught up on the thread. MisterBibs you are wrong. That is all.
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Mar 14, 2016 22:04
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MisterBibs posted:You have a very odd definition of "not a trap". A 'war zone' that happens to be overseen by a big fuckoff enemy ship that is just sitting there unopposed is a trap. You're not even describing a trap. If I said "Hey, if you go over there, you will be swarmed by killer bees." and you go there, that is not a trap. If I said "Hey, there's candy over there" when there's actually killer bees, that is a trap.
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Mar 14, 2016 22:06
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This is one of those threads that will get referenced years from now whenever this movie comes up in some other thread around here and people will be like "remember when this movie first came out and there was that one poster that kept stubbornly insisting that the radio message was a deliberate trap set up by the aliens and that anyone who disagreed was some kind of movie logic philistine?"SuperMechagodzilla posted:People are getting dumb ... It's just one guy for the most part. No need to invent entire strawmen classes of people.
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Mar 14, 2016 22:26
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CelticPredator posted:You're not even describing a trap. It's a trap if you told me there's a swarm of bees, but it's actually a bunch of rabid bears. The first makes me think I'm a lot safer than I am. vvv random choice? The Mothership represents a massive uptick in the poo poo MEW Has To Deal With list. It's not some tiny thing you can avoid on foot, it's not some midrange thing you might be able to destroy, it's Death In The Air. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 22:28
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MisterBibs posted:It's a trap if you told me there's a swarm of bees, but it's actually a bunch of rabid bears. The first makes me think I'm a lot safer than I am. Why the gently caress did you just add bears to the situation?
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Mar 14, 2016 22:28
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Literally everyone in the thread: "She is going into certain danger." Camp A: "She is going into certain danger and knows it, so it's not a trap." Camp B: "She is going into certain danger and doesn't know it, so it's a trap." Bibs: "See? The director said she's going into certain danger, so he agrees with me." quote:They don't mention Baton Rouge as a safe zone. They mention Houston being where they've fought off the aliens and taken back the area, when the ship in the clouds on top of it makes it clear that they've done no such thing.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:19
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MisterBibs, having perhaps some realization that he's wrong, is slowly shifting the goalposts by suggesting that nobody needs to have actually lied for it to be a trap.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:29
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I will also point out that it is MIsterBibs.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:31
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anyone else think it got super dark way drat fast once the air filtration unit thing exploded and the ship "saw" her at first? also plenty of reason to believe Howard's dishonesty when he says he didn't have time to get any of the booze out of her car but has the bottle sitting in his truck when she is in the truck getting lifted by the ship
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Mar 14, 2016 23:46
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Really great how this thread focuses so much on the last 15 mins of the movie lol
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Mar 14, 2016 23:48
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Sir Kodiak posted:MisterBibs, having perhaps some realization that he's wrong, is slowly shifting the goalposts by suggesting that nobody needs to have actually lied for it to be a trap. No, it's a trap. The only way for it not to be is the digital removal of the Mothership flying directly where she's going, or what she thinks she's going to do when she gets anywhere near it. There is no alternative response to an Alien Mothership than MEW Is hosed. AAB posted:Really great how this thread focuses so much on the last 15 mins of the movie lol That's because the entire rest of the film is built on the last 15 minutes. Despite what the title may tell you, Man is not the Real Monster. Whatever is outside is the monster, and we're there to see what it ultimately is. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 23:49
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Many people in this thread are assuming facts not in evidence.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:51
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MisterBibs posted:No, it's a trap. The only way for it not to be is the digital removal of the Mothership flying directly where she's going, or what she thinks she's going to do when she gets anywhere near it. There is no alternative response to an Alien Mothership than MEW Is hosed. Monsters come in many forms. One of those forms is a man.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:55
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CelticPredator posted:Monsters come in many forms. and hosed up pigs and a hosed up lady and a radio and the armadillo monster and a small gas ship and a bigger city sized ship and another radio?
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Mar 15, 2016 00:00
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MisterBibs posted:No, it's a trap. The only way for it not to be is the digital removal of the Mothership flying directly where she's going, or what she thinks she's going to do when she gets anywhere near it. There is no alternative response to an Alien Mothership than MEW Is hosed. You're simply describing something dangerous that is going to be in her way. Your proposal that Houston is a trap is all about the radio message apparently being a bogus orchestration on the aliens' part. Your explanation for this was "movie logic 101" (using examples that did not actually follow through with your claim) and then tried to push the burden of proof on others to prove your assertion wrong, which is like challenging someone to disprove the existence of god. Yeah, no. Believe what you like, but if you're going to get sassy about it you're gonna need to back your poo poo up.
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Mar 15, 2016 00:07
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MisterBibs posted:No, it's a trap. The only way for it not to be is the digital removal of the Mothership flying directly where she's going, or what she thinks she's going to do when she gets anywhere near it. There is no alternative response to an Alien Mothership than MEW Is hosed. Great example of my point. You're no longer willing to call it a honeypot, to suggest that the aliens set up the radio broadcast, and are instead trying to redefine "trap" to mean "dangerous place."
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Mar 15, 2016 00:28
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I feel like if SMG is calling your theory stupid and saying you're reading way too deep, you should probably stop and take a long hard look at your posting.
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Mar 15, 2016 00:39
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AAB posted:anyone else think it got super dark way drat fast once the air filtration unit thing exploded and the ship "saw" her at first? It had seemed to be getting closer to dusk the entire time, but yeah, things got way dark kinda fast, presumably to set up the whole 'lights from the house' bit. Also, that second thing was one of my favorite parts. Of course the lying bastard lied about getting the booze. 1stGear posted:I feel like if SMG is calling your theory stupid and saying you're reading way too deep, you should probably stop and take a long hard look at your posting. Not even that he's reading too deep, but that he's reading things that aren't even there at all. CelticPredator posted:Monsters come in many forms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4RuB3gT8t0
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Mar 15, 2016 01:03
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This movie was quite enjoyable. I am glad that there wasn't a doofy, hideous kaiju from an eight year old film and I'm glad the main character had a well written ending that most certainly did not involve a ruse or trap.
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RandallODim posted:This is my favorite post in this thread so far. CelticPredator posted:But don't you see? It's so much better for a character to go through all these personal changes and then just die at the end. Just like real life! That makes it so much deeper, you see!
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Mar 15, 2016 01:22
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Sir Kodiak posted:Great example of my point. You're no longer willing to call it a honeypot, to suggest that the aliens set up the radio broadcast, and are instead trying to redefine "trap" to mean "dangerous place." It's still a honeypot by the aliens, though. I don't care if they are claiming a survivable combat situation or punch and pie, the Mothership flying unopposed where she's heading makes any alternative reading madness.
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Mar 15, 2016 01:36
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MisterBibs I suggest you learn the definitions of the words you are using before continuing this argument.
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Mar 15, 2016 01:37
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Are we being supertrolled here? Oh my god...how did I let this happen to me???
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Mar 15, 2016 01:41
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MisterBibs posted:It's still a honeypot by the aliens, though. I don't care if they are claiming a survivable combat situation or punch and pie, the Mothership flying unopposed where she's heading makes any alternative reading madness. MisterBibs posted:There's a message being broadcast saying "hey all humans, come to this awesome place, there are no aliens here, but plenty of punch and cake", in which the Awesome Place has a giant spaceship within eyeball distance of it. Goodman was right, they are in a phase of flushing out humans. MisterBibs posted:They don't mention Baton Rouge as a safe zone. They mention Houston being where they've fought off the aliens and taken back the area, when the ship in the clouds on top of it makes it clear that they've done no such thing.
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Mar 15, 2016 01:50
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Martman posted:So you concede that this: Yes, I got the specifics of what the message was wrong. Doesn't stop an obvious alien-derived honeypot from being an alien-derived honeypot. We can debate the specifics till we're blue in the face, but there's no situation where she's running off to anything but a trap. What's the difference between the endings to The Mist (story) and The Mist (movie)? Nothing, the story just ends earlier. There's no way that MEW is running into anything but a trap the minute the Mothership shows up. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 02:04
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So, given that you've conceded that she is intentionally entering a dangerous situation, how does the director's statement support your theory? Is she really "ready to face" the danger if it's a trap?
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Mar 15, 2016 02:08
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Martman posted:So, given that you've conceded that she is intentionally entering a dangerous situation, how does the director's statement support your theory? The aliens don't care if she thinks she's ready for danger. It's a wonderful little origin story of a person who is dead as a doornail. Martman posted:Is she really "ready to face" the danger if it's a trap? She thinks she is. She's totally not, as evidenced by the Big Giant Unopposed Mothership flying around, and the victim of an alien honeypot. e: I'm not sure where to put spoiler blocks anymore. People are referencing stuff that I figure should be spoilers without 'em. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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MisterBibs posted:The aliens don't care if she thinks she's ready for danger. It's a wonderful little origin story of a person who is dead as a doornail. I feel like these spoilers are in the wrong place.
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