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DeusExMachinima posted:loving rekt Anyone who joys in exporting jobs deserves to wake up to President Donald Trump elected by the angry unemployed.
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Mar 15, 2016 07:08
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Epic High Five posted:have any of you actually done opioids? they're fuckin great Fuckin' yeah they are. That's why they're illegal. The irony of rich people making fun of poor people for drug addiction is pretty ironic, considering it's white people of all classes that are experiencing a huge increase in drug abuse. The rich people just get purer stuff, like Heroin, while poor people have to settle for poo poo like meth.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Fuckin' yeah they are. That's why they're illegal. The irony isn't lost on them, in fact they're already trying to skirt the consequences they lobbied for
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Epic High Five posted:The irony isn't lost on them, in fact they're already trying to skirt the consequences they lobbied for Drug addiction is a horrible thing and I have a deep disdain for anyone who treats it, or has treated it, as a criminal justice problem.
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The only moral drug addiction is my drug addiction?
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Just as an FYI, there's an opioid discussion thread here where we talk about the societal and personal impact of opioids. We welcome your thoughts and contributions! 
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Stereotype posted:Drug addiction is a horrible thing and I have a deep disdain for anyone who treats it, or has treated it, as a criminal justice problem. drug policy is going to be one of those "Wow, What the gently caress Were These People Thinking" moments in the history books a century from now
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Stereotype posted:Drug addiction is a horrible thing and I have a deep disdain for anyone who treats it, or has treated it, as a criminal justice problem. Drug courts are pretty neat though. Helps people deal with their addition in exchange for reduced punishment for crimes committed due to addiction like theft. They're not easy though. Not in the slightest.
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TwinsensRevenge posted:drug policy is going to be one of those "Wow, What the gently caress Were These People Thinking" moments in the history books a century from now Certain drugs, unless poor and/or non-white people predominantly use them.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Drug courts are pretty neat though. Helps people deal with their addition in exchange for reduced punishment for crimes committed due to addiction like theft. They're not easy though. Not in the slightest. drug courts often enforce total abstinence or jail time, which is completely looney tunes since relapsing is a natural part of the treatment process they are well-intentioned but because they come from a criminal justice perspective they don't effectively treat it as a health issue TwinsensRevenge fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Drug courts also costs thousands of dollars to get expunged from someone's record a crime that really probably shouldn't be a crime at all, like a couple grams of weed
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FCKGW posted:Old man yells at chair sounds so much more benign than orange man yells at immigrants. In a stunning turn of events, Donald Trump rips off his hairpiece during the final moments of the last presidential debate to reveal Andy Kauffman underneath. It was all a postmodern bit, and America fell for it hook, line and sinker.
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TwinsensRevenge posted:drug courts often enforce total abstinence or jail time, which is completely looney tunes since relapsing is a natural part of the treatment process Everyone in my fiance's drug court relapses. The court expects it. The jail time comes in when people aren't owning up to it. Use and tell someone and it's only being set back in the program. It's about half way between purely punitive and treating addiction like a disease. The problem with the disease part is the person's still accountable for crimes convicted of other than using/possession. Like theft.
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Within the last couple of weeks, The Clinton v. Trump polls all have her winning by double-digit popular vote margins, and the Sanders v. Trump polls are forecasting an electoral blowout that hasn't been seen since Walter Mondale. What is the real chance that the Dems retake the Senate or the House if Trump is at the top of the GOP ticket? Every Republican up for election in a swing state must be sweating uncontrollably when they look at polls like that.
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VirtualStranger posted:Within the last couple of weeks, The Clinton v. Trump polls all have her winning by double-digit popular vote margins, and the Sanders v. Trump polls are forecasting an electoral blowout that hasn't been seen since Walter Mondale. Senate being at least a tie is looking like it has a decent change even without Trump on the ticket since most of the R senators up for reelection were riding the tea party wave in 2010. House is where poo poo gets bleak since that probably won't get fixed until the next census.
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VirtualStranger posted:Within the last couple of weeks, The Clinton v. Trump polls all have her winning by double-digit popular vote margins, and the Sanders v. Trump polls are forecasting an electoral blowout that hasn't been seen since Walter Mondale. iirc it'll be basically impossible for dems to retake the House until the next census, since representatives are numbered in proportion to the state's population. They'll make some modest gains, maybe. The Senate's more interesting, but Dems would need to do like you're suggesting and win in big margins to retake it (hell, I guess I wouldn't call that unlikely by this point!). They'll probably tie or get within a stone's throw of the Republicans, at least. Chelb fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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TwinsensRevenge posted:drug policy is going to be one of those "Wow, What the gently caress Were These People Thinking" moments in the history books a century from now  Content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ZLAT7BY_s Our next American President. 
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Question from a non-American. Given...quote:House is where poo poo gets bleak since that probably won't get fixed until the next census. ... how did that come to be the case? If it takes a census to change things, and things are hosed and Bad, did things get hosed with the last census? If so, can you actually rely on the next census to unfuck things? If not, then by what mechanism cometh the loving?
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DemeaninDemon posted:Drug courts are pretty neat though. Helps people deal with their addition in exchange for reduced punishment for crimes committed due to addiction like theft. They're not easy though. Not in the slightest. This is extortion, which is, like, the opposite of "pretty neat."
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FilthyImp posted:In a stunning turn of events, Donald Trump rips off his hairpiece during the final moments of the last presidential debate to reveal Andy Kauffman underneath. It was all a postmodern bit, and America fell for it hook, line and sinker. 
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The Crotch posted:Question from a non-American. Given... The last census coincided with the 2010 tea party wave. Democrats picked a really lovely year to not show up at the polls.
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VirtualStranger posted:Within the last couple of weeks, The Clinton v. Trump polls all have her winning by double-digit popular vote margins, and the Sanders v. Trump polls are forecasting an electoral blowout that hasn't been seen since Walter Mondale. What was the makeup of Congress like before and after the LBJ v Goldwater bout, and same with the Mondale v Reagan debacle?
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:This is extortion, which is, like, the opposite of "pretty neat." How is that extortion? I know the x makes it cool but how? Edit: remember they're still convicted of a crime worthy of prison time. That's a little more than getting caught using/possessing. I keep bringing up theft because that's the most common crime caused by addiction. Addicts steal to support their disease. Islam is the Lite Rock FM fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:What was the makeup of Congress like before and after the LBJ v Goldwater bout, and same with the Mondale v Reagan debacle?  Around 1984 and Mondale v. Reagan, Democrats sharply lost control of the Senate but managed to hold onto the House. Around 1964 with Goldwater's loss to LBJ, Dems increased their control of both houses, though more with the House of Representatives than the Senate. By the end of LBJ's presidency Dem control of both houses was on a sharp decline which they then rebounded from. Chelb fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Gerrymandering doesn't affect senate elections so the Dems have a real good shot at gaining back control. But the congressional electoral districts in tons of states are just completely hosed at the moment. So the Dems are surely set to gain some seats back but there's very little chance that they take back control of the House for at least another couple election cycles. 2024 should also be when we start seeing states such as Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina, and Missouri turning blue.
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I'd welcome any move away from the current Republican dominance in Congress, tbh. Even small margins are better than no margins at all, which is good because there's no way the dems don't do better in the two houses than 2012.
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Epic High Five posted:The irony isn't lost on them, in fact they're already trying to skirt the consequences they lobbied for Sometimes it's very hard not to be angry at white people when reading articles like this. Like now you care? Only now??? Yes, yes, not all white people, I know
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Epic High Five posted:The irony isn't lost on them, in fact they're already trying to skirt the consequences they lobbied for Man, I got seriously furious just reading this article. I'm incredibly glad that we're now starting to realize that jail is not the right approach for addiction, but like, an entire generation or two of black kids has basically been tossed aside until we got to that point, and even then the clarifying moment isn't "holy poo poo look at what we're doing to minorities in this country" but "white people got it now? maybe we should actually think about changing something". I'm getting to the point where if someone found actual undeniable physical evidence that crack was introduced to black communities in the late 70's by the CIA, I'd be mildly shocked, but not at all surprised. edit: I love that in the time it took me to read the other thread and formulate a response, someone else posted basically the same thing. People not being able to empathize with others who aren't of the same race doesn't surprise me, but it still elicits this reaction, every time.
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The Crotch posted:Question from a non-American. Given... Some other people mentioned it, but the other problem is the census is the trigger to redraw district lines. Because of our democracy's totally not insane belief that our elected officials should allowed to pick their constituents, the House is going to stay Red until some the damage can be reversed.
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The Crotch posted:... how did that come to be the case? If it takes a census to change things, and things are hosed and Bad, did things get hosed with the last census? If so, can you actually rely on the next census to unfuck things? If not, then by what mechanism cometh the loving? If the next census has any chance to unfuck our gerrymandered states, rest assured Republicans will do what they can to cripple the census process. This also goes for some Dems who could get ruined by redistricting.
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The Crotch posted:Question from a non-American. Given... Congressional districts are drawn up the States, and the Dems have been losing State houses left and right. A lot of Democratic State parties are a joke, and some state elections happen in midterms and off years which in most places favors Republicans.
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Edmund Lava posted:Congressional districts are drawn up the States, and the Dems have been losing State houses left and right. A lot of Democratic State parties are a joke, and some state elections happen in midterms and off years which in most places favors Republicans. Off-year elections are the dumbest loving things, but yes. One of the biggest problems is that districts are drawn by the states themselves (dumb) and we do not control the majority of state houses or governorships.
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Filthy Hans posted:If the next census has any chance to unfuck our gerrymandered states, rest assured Republicans will do what they can to cripple the census process. This also goes for some Dems who could get ruined by redistricting. Maybe they'll finally add more Representatives... I mean they won't, but I can dream about it at least. Edmund Lava posted:Congressional districts are drawn up the States, and the Dems have been losing State houses left and right. A lot of Democratic State parties are a joke, and some state elections happen in midterms and off years which in most places favors Republicans. VA is even more fun as it elects in off-off years (that is, the odd years when there are no federal elections whatsoever). The VA Senate being a tie is a minor miracle.
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This is from a page ago, but:Zachack posted:I've been told that cocaine is really good though. That needs to be legalized so I can try it. It is legal if you have a prescription. Cocaine is Schedule II, just like Ritalin and morphine.
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I've had people 30 years older than me with kids and families try to sell me their tools to fund their hydrocodone habit. I've also had folks straight up try to sell me their prescriptions. It's always in a weird place too, like three stories up on the roof of an industrial building or in a catch pit. I can appreciate the hardships these folks experience but goddamn do I hate literally everything they stand for. I'd like it if poor people, poor white people included, got the attention they need but goddamn it is hard to ignore the fact that so many of the people I have had to interact with are straight up loving scum. It is sad.
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I wonder what the donor class does tomorrow morning if Trump wins 4/5 states and Bernie wins 3 or 4 states to close the gap on Hillary. Do they official give up on the Republican side and put all their eggs in the Hillary basket? Hillary is a terrible campaigner and will likely continue to drive her poll numbers into the ground, and running attack against Bernie will likely backfire as it did with Trump.
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axeil posted:Maybe they'll finally add more Representatives... Working as intended!
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Yoshifan823 posted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking
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TyrantWD posted:I wonder what the donor class does tomorrow morning if Trump wins 4/5 states and Bernie wins 3 or 4 states to close the gap on Hillary. Do they official give up on the Republican side and put all their eggs in the Hillary basket? Hillary is a terrible campaigner and will likely continue to drive her poll numbers into the ground, and running attack against Bernie will likely backfire as it did with Trump. I don't think any of this is necessarily going to play out in the way described. Bernie is absolutely not winning more than 3 states, even in the rosiest of predictions (FL and NC are totally for Hillary). Because these primaries are proportional, even if Bernie does win IL, OH, MO (and I'm really skeptical on that last one, too), they are going to be really close, while Clinton is gonna win by higher margins in FL and NC and will thus continue to increase her delegate lead over Sanders. The GOP donor class is not going to defect to the Democratic side of things. How are her poll numbers being driven into the ground? How is running attack ads against Bernie going to backfire? He and Trump are not similar at all.
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