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Nerdrock posted:Wait. What? A cash bonus to install Keyloggers? aaaaaahahahahaha. This is some cloak and dagger poo poo. Please do it I want to see this story unfold further. (actually don't). Sounds like entrapment.
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So he is willing to give you 2k to install keyloggers under the table but not willing to spend 2k to buy a copy of server 2012 and some cheapo box so you can actually have a domain? What.
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Mar 15, 2016 00:38
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That dude is loving high if he wants you to install keyloggers on higher-ups computer without any sign-off.
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Mar 15, 2016 00:48
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Inspector_666 posted:That dude is loving high if he wants you to install keyloggers on higher-ups computer without any sign-off. aaaahahahahaha I need to hear updates about this, Turtlicious
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Called it. Dick Trauma, midline, blackswordca, larchesandrew, et al have a new companion in infamy.
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Updates as of Right Now: I asked the Law Megathread first, to see what I need to do, now I'm hitting up a law buddy once I'm out of work for some advice. I have no idea if the people in the back are higher ups, or if they're just sales("Partnership") / data entry("Assessments") Once I have a lawyer tell me "Yeah do this, with these in place," or "No you loving retard" I'll be able to move forward.
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Turtlicious posted:Updates as of Right Now: I asked the Law Megathread first, to see what I need to do, now I'm hitting up a law buddy once I'm out of work for some advice. I have no idea if the people in the back are higher ups, or if they're just sales("Partnership") / data entry("Assessments") Once I have a lawyer tell me "Yeah do this, with these in place," or "No you loving retard" I'll be able to move forward. FYI the fact that you have no idea where the people in the offices stand on the org chart doesn't make anything better.
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Dark Helmut posted:Do you have a specific scenario you want to elaborate on? For instance, someone's been working at Company A for a substantial amount of time, with good performance reviews. One day the boss shows up, gives the victim employee a list of reasons why the company is fed up with them (which are immediately recognizable as bullshit) and has them escorted out of the building. For the sake of the conversation, let's put aside the lawsuit possibilites. If the employee gets an interview with Company B, how should they handle being asked about why they left the previous job? If they tell the truth, that they were fired without reason or unfairly or whatever, that seems like badmouthing the previous company. But if they lie, that's a lie, and almost certain to lose them the job. I feel like this is something that puts the employee out of work through no fault of their own. Or am I just being paranoid? KillHour posted:He's the guy that started whacking it during a con call. That would be too spooky a coincidence. 
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Vulture Culture posted:What does this even mean? Is he offering to give you a nickname? Assistant TO the Regional Manager
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Internet Explorer posted:Oh, and to go back to the whole SANs failing thing... I have seen some interesting ones.
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Vulture Culture posted:What does this even mean? Is he offering to give you a nickname? KillHour posted:He's the guy that started whacking it during a con call. Tom Anderson posted:Hey wait a minute. You look kinda familiar. Ain't you the kid that was caught wackin' it on mah conference call?
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NippleFloss posted:I'm struggling to think of anything you can do with a physical DC that you couldn't also do with a virtual DC (in addition to the other things you can only do with a virtual server). Keep the time?
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Turtlicious posted:Updates as of Right Now: I asked the Law Megathread first, to see what I need to do, now I'm hitting up a law buddy once I'm out of work for some advice. I have no idea if the people in the back are higher ups, or if they're just sales("Partnership") / data entry("Assessments") Once I have a lawyer tell me "Yeah do this, with these in place," or "No you loving retard" I'll be able to move forward. The way I see it, turn down the 2K in cash and then reap the rewards of the massive lawsuit you'll inevitably file and win. At best, indiscriminately collecting keystroke information from certain personnel can violate HIPAA. At worst, it can also open the company up to all sorts of other poo poo that a lawyer (who you should be talking to) will be happy to go into more detail about. psydude fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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TWBalls posted:I think he already did. Turtlicious said he didn't like it. He's that guy off in whose conference call they were whacking.
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stubblyhead posted:He's that guy off in whose conference call they were whacking. 
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Vulture Culture posted:Being let go from one job isn't the death knell for a career that people try to sell it as. Two in a row and you've got a problem. Curious, how do these interviews go?
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RyuHimora posted:For instance, someone's been working at Company A for a substantial amount of time, with good performance reviews. One day the boss shows up, gives the victim employee a list of reasons why the company is fed up with them (which are immediately recognizable as bullshit) and has them escorted out of the building. For the sake of the conversation, let's put aside the lawsuit possibilites. If the employee gets an interview with Company B, how should they handle being asked about why they left the previous job? If they tell the truth, that they were fired without reason or unfairly or whatever, that seems like badmouthing the previous company. But if they lie, that's a lie, and almost certain to lose them the job. I know you want to set aside the possible lawsuit options but the only right thing for the employee to do is lawyer up. Besides severence pay, you want a lawyer to make agreements about how the company and employee will regard eachother in the future. For example no bad references or mentioning any of the bullshit. I've been in a situation like this and if this isn't 100% hypothetical: lawyer up. There is no company loyalty to employees, only damage control. They don't see you as a person but as a liability. Don't think they won't completely gently caress you over if that suits them best, because they will if they think they can get away with it.
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Agreed, while I would do the same I'm curious - how would you portray that sort of history to a prospective employer?
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Tab8715 posted:Agreed, while I would do the same I'm curious - how would you portray that sort of history to a prospective employer? Say you were in a dead end. No career opportunities and you wanted a change of scenery.
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Tab8715 posted:Agreed, while I would do the same I'm curious - how would you portray that sort of history to a prospective employer? Repeat after me; "I didn't get the (career/technical/learning) opportunities I was hoping to gain from my former role".
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nah chill
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Mar 15, 2016 13:10
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You should have asked for more money.
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Tab8715 posted:Agreed, while I would do the same I'm curious - how would you portray that sort of history to a prospective employer?
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Turtlicious posted:Updates as of Right Now: I asked the Law Megathread first, to see what I need to do, now I'm hitting up a law buddy once I'm out of work for some advice. I have no idea if the people in the back are higher ups, or if they're just sales("Partnership") / data entry("Assessments") Once I have a lawyer tell me "Yeah do this, with these in place," or "No you loving retard" I'll be able to move forward. Your boss is really and truly loving you over. I know it looks like he's giving you an opportunity, but he's doing so without administrative sign-off and without adequate pay. You will be left flailing in the wind at some point. It will happen. Get everything in writing from your boss, save it, and copy it off to a non-company mailbox. If you get any weird vibes from your boss (like a 2k cash payout on an internal project, what the gently caress? that's not how businesses are run) you should always divert to "Let's add this to what we're presenting to the board." He'll either squirrel out, meaning he would have never gotten board approval, or he'll say OK, you'll have to wait a bit, but you have a stronger case for more money and a better job title. The more work you can present to the board as needing to be done, the more likely they'll act in your favor.
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Turtlicious posted:That being said he just offered me a 2k cash bonus to set up the back offices computers like the operations systems. So heavily monitored with a user account instead of admin, along with new keyboards with keyloggers installed. I told him that's probably illegal and so now I'm supposed to find out and get back with him. This is a loving poo poo show. hahahahahahahahaha. A cash payout to set up key loggers on computers that you have no idea who uses them. Amazing. Sometimes I think the people I work with are dumb when it comes to tech stuff, but some of you guys really do work at a whole different level of company
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Turtlicious posted:That being said he just offered me a 2k cash bonus to set up the back offices computers like the operations systems. So heavily monitored with a user account instead of admin, along with new keyboards with keyloggers installed. I told him that's probably illegal and so now I'm supposed to find out and get back with him. This is a loving poo poo show. After consulting with your lawyer, it's probably time to consider going over the head of your boss and talk to senior management about what your boss is doing, because I highly doubt that keylogging other people in the company has their approval.
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I wouldn't install a key-logger period considering the legal ramifications.
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It's pretty loving legal in the US. Regardless, the whole political situation you are in is bad and you should get out. I worked at a big (5k+ users) company and it got so bad that the CIO was installing Spectre on all PCs, including other C-levels and then enabling video recording on board meetings without the board knowing. Company went bankrupt a year later. Thankfully, those were enough red flags for me and I got out well before.
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Vulture Culture posted:It's circumstantial, but generally you and the company/its culture weren't a fit. Be prepared to explain why your expectations didn't match theirs. It happens. Agreed, but you're EDIT is arguing honesty is the best policy and I'm curious how he'd expect one to deliver such a predicament to a prospective employer. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Internet Explorer posted:It's pretty loving legal in the US. Regardless, the whole political situation you are in is bad and you should get out. I worked at a big (5k+ users) company and it got so bad that the CIO was installing Spectre on all PCs, including other C-levels and then enabling video recording on board meetings without the board knowing. Company went bankrupt a year later. Thankfully, those were enough red flags for me and I got out well before. Its really not so black and white legal in the US. The expectation of privacy is a pretty grey area and is really going to depend heavily on your state and the circumstances. It can be a huge landmine. Installing a key-logger on your leaderships computers without consent is definitely showing intent. Not something I would want to open myself up to.
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Tab8715 posted:Agreed, but it appears our local recruiter is arguing honesty is the best policy and I'm curious how he'd expect one to deliver such a predicament to a prospective employer. It is the truth. Stop making it more complicated.
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H110Hawk posted:It is the truth. Stop making it more complicated. Purposefully not telling the whole truth is lying.
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Tab8715 posted:Purposefully not telling the whole truth is lying. If this is the guideline, who here hasn't lied during an interview? You're trying to get a job in IT, not submit an ethical case to become a state judge.
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That's like giving a non marketing answer to "why do you want a job here"
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Keyloggers may be theoretically legal, but if you find out that someone has been making anonymous complaints about the boss, maybe sexual harassment or something, and the boss is now on a rampage to retaliate, you're not going to be on good footing.
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Tab8715 posted:Purposefully not telling the whole truth is lying. "Yes mr potential employer, I'm looking for a new job cause my boss is a jackass and I need mad money for my anime habits".
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"I'd like this job because I haven't received offers from my last 2 interviews, and I need to pay my bills this month. I lost my last job for jacking it on a video conference with a customer. While this company is a low tier option for me, being homeless is worse. I will like to work here for a year to avoid losing my car, at which time I plan on applying to other companies and jumping ship at the first sight of something more desirable. Please hire me."
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Tab8715 posted:Purposefully not telling the whole truth is lying.
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Internet Explorer posted:It's pretty loving legal in the US. This isn't really true. State and local laws can vary wildly regarding this, and just because you signed something consenting to monitoring doesn't mean that the employer maintains the right to log keystrokes. And if they do, then there may be certain levels of protection that have to be put into place to safeguard the information. Putting aside the legality, it's also a massively stupid security move. psydude fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Tab8715 posted:Purposefully not telling the whole truth is lying. Bring a lawyer with you to the job interview then and insist all communication go via the lawyer.
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