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Obama on the campaign trail doesn't sound too different from Obama today when it comes to his pattern of speech. I'm not sure if he used "let me be clear" that much yet; that was a response to the right contorting his agenda and words. In town halls, he would frequently restate the question he just received so he'll get more time to think of how to answer a question. In 08, there was obviously catch phrases that were downplayed in 2012 like "yes we can" and "fired up and ready to go". Hillary sounds a lot like how she sounded in '08, but with more coaching on social justice language. There was a lot of opposition research "you supported this or that in the Illinois senate". I distinctly remembered her taking flack for explicitly acknowledging her post-South Carolina defeat strategy was to rally white voters. And now her supporters are trying to pin that on Bernie.
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Bass Bottles posted:I think it's because he brings up Wall Street EVERY 5 SECONDS. No matter how irrelevant it is, or what question he's asked, he'll take a hard turn halfway through and yell "WALL STREET" really loud!!! His "one" is about an issue that basically pervades and dominates every facet of the country in one way or another, though. It's what makes the criticism so empty.
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Oh Snapple! posted:His "one" is about an issue that basically pervades and dominates every facet of the country in one way or another, though. It's what makes the criticism so empty. That doesn't make it the only issue though. Like gas is an issue that pervades and dominates every facet of the country, but if you spent literally all your time saying "get off fossil fuels", even in topics that aren't easily related, people would call you out for that too. Especially if you do poo poo like "the problem with police brutality is that we depend too much on fossil fuels".
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Mar 10, 2016 20:16
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Yeah so Bernie definitely brings up Wall Street too much, and probably even more than other politicians bring up their talking points. But honestly it's like saying the Pacific Ocean has a ton of water when you're comparing to the Atlantic.
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I still find it hilarious that Hillary inherited large swaths of the Obama coalition.
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The Trump Supporters segment is possibly the hardest I've cringed so far this year.
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Ted Cruz bit was funnier, but yeah...poo poo, man. America, you did this to yourselves.
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Mar 15, 2016 15:58
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ZoninSilver posted:The Trump Supporters segment is possibly the hardest I've cringed so far this year. I guess I'm jaded (hi, I turned 18 during Bill Clinton's first campaign), but the mere fact that there are excited young people with relatively uninformed support for their candidate is never news. Those panels were never my favorite bit on TDS, either, though.
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ZoninSilver posted:The Trump Supporters segment is possibly the hardest I've cringed so far this year. That was pretty rough for sure.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:I guess I'm jaded (hi, I turned 18 during Bill Clinton's first campaign), but the mere fact that there are excited young people with relatively uninformed support for their candidate is never news. Those panels were never my favorite bit on TDS, either, though. But they didn't have uninformed support, a lot of them were clearly informed, that was the point of the segment. It was about the appeal of Trump amongst the relatively informed.
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Oh god... that Trump bit. I say that was the best bit out of all the comedy shows regarding Trump so far, precisely because she cherrypicked the best and brightest of the pro-Trump camp. The nuanced idiots are always worse than the idiot idiots. When Trump was inflicting pain on Jeb and the old guard of the GOP, it was a guilty pleasure. And I see everything I hate about myself in these people. WHY AM I PERSECUTED? Edit: If Stephen, John, Larry, Trevor, and Samantha all cover a specific gaffe, I guess it's a Bingo? I think they all went after Hillary's AIDS comments. Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Periodiko posted:But they didn't have uninformed support, a lot of them were clearly informed, that was the point of the segment. It was about the appeal of Trump amongst the relatively informed. Selectively informed? They clearly knew his talking points but I didn't get the sense that they had really come to support him via reasoned analysis.
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Even for the ostensibly sane ones, the reasoning is that Trump may hurt people, but I'm not one of those people, so whatever.
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The thing about selectively informed people is you can see where they're coming from, but also where their rationality ends and irrationality begins. They're making excuses for Trump that Trump isn't even making himself. They assume some of the stuff he says is just pandering, and that he might he'll pull a 180 even though there's no real reason to believe so. It's kind of like seeing normal people join Cutco or a cult or something. Their blind spots are kind of both willful yet invisible to them. It's frustrating.
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Echo Chamber posted:The thing about selectively informed people is you can see where they're coming from, but also where their rationality ends and irrationality begins. They're making excuses for Trump that Trump isn't even making himself. They assume some of the stuff he says is just pandering, and that he might he'll pull a 180 even though there's no real reason to believe so. Yeah, I've heard that argument a few times from Trump supporters. "Oh, he's just lying to those other guys, but when he says the things I want to hear, he's telling the truth!"
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Mar 17, 2016 05:19
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The Trump supporter bit just furthered my belief that all long-haired blonde ladies are innately conservative. CNN, Fox News, this bit, it's a bunch of pretty blonde women saying horrendous things.
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It's weird when directly confronted how quickly they were reduced to spouting Trump's own catchphrases. "What is your reaction to Mexico refusing to pay for a wall?" "Trump said that wall just got 10 feet higher!  "Well...if nobody's paying for it then there IS no wall, so I'm not sure what they think his logic is supposed to be.
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Yoshifan823 posted:The Trump supporter bit just furthered my belief that all long-haired blonde ladies are innately conservative.
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Mar 17, 2016 15:04
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Loved the David Silverman at CPAC thing. What an incredible dickbag he is. And the fact that so many horrific young conservatives seemed to take to him is telling.
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I don't remember if I said it before, but I love how angry and passionate Samantha Bee is, while still being hilarious. I was rarely a big fan of her bits on the Daily Show, but she's fast becoming my favorite of the various Daily Show spinoffs and successors. I guess I still prefer Jon Oliver's style of informative incredulity, but I wish he'd hedge less with his whole, "I know my audience isn't interested so I'll bribe you with cute things at the end" shtick, and just went full bore, "I care about this poo poo and it sucks," like Bee.sticklefifer posted:It's weird when directly confronted how quickly they were reduced to spouting Trump's own catchphrases. "Aaand, the Mexicans still aren't paying for the wall. Now what?" "..." I guess it's just so inane that the natural human reaction is just pure flabbergast. Also echoing the lack of love for the whole "Can you believe what his supporters believe?" panel style. I mean, if it was ever justified it would be with Trump supporters, but it's way too hard to make it clear that you're not just cherry picking the most outrageous things, which can make any candidate's supporters look bad. I imagine Trump supporters are indeed a special kind of terrible, but that format isn't really evidence of that. And more importantly, it's just more embarrassing than funny to me, though that's obviously just a personal preference.
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Sam showed remarkable restraint in not pointing out that congresswoman Rape-is-cool's last name was "under man."
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Rape kit bit was top tier Sam Bee. While John Oliver's show feels a little more well rounded, it's peak moments like that that have Sam as my fave right now. Also what the actual gently caress?Majorian posted:Loved the David Silverman at CPAC thing. What an incredible dickbag he is. And the fact that so many horrific young conservatives seemed to take to him is telling. Eiba posted:Also echoing the lack of love for the whole "Can you believe what his supporters believe?" panel style. I mean, if it was ever justified it would be with Trump supporters, but it's way too hard to make it clear that you're not just cherry picking the most outrageous things, which can make any candidate's supporters look bad. Like "it's way too hard to make it clear that you're not just cherry picking the most outrageous things" is not a thing that matters. To me, at least.
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Really like the repeated calls to vote in non-Presidential elections, that's still the domain of old conservative people and the reason they still control everything below the White House.
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VagueRant posted:Um, I thought he seemed 90% reasonable. Is that bad?
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VagueRant posted:Yeah, but it's funny when they say crazy poo poo. I see where you're coming from, but Sam isn't trying to present "evidence", she's not trying to convince people or be a journalist, she's doing a hilarious angry comedy show. I guess the appeal of these kinds of shows to me is not just that they're funny, but that they have a point. They let me go, "haha, yeah, that's right!" Which is really fun. If the joke is making a bad point... that's a lot less fun for me and I tend to get hung up on that rather than just enjoying it.
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Yeah Silverman is an absolute douche. He reminds me of a high school version of myself. "Religion is stupid and you should feel stupid for believing it." I just don't have much patience for a white man complaining about being oppressed. He's one of those people who makes me not agree with my own opinions because of how arrogantly he presents them.
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VagueRant posted:Um, I thought he seemed 90% reasonable. Is that bad? Going up to people and telling them that their most-cherished beliefs are stupid and lies is kind of lovely. He doesn't strike me as someone who tolerates anyone believing differently from him. e: So big surprise he found a (small) audience at CPAC!
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Mar 23, 2016 04:39
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Yeah, dude is just a mirror reflection of the intolerant religious they're complaining about persecuting atheists. Its totally fine for you to be an atheist. But being a total rear end in a top hat to people isn't going to win over too many people. He just makes the "bless your heart" people seem totally reasonable because that's a nice way to deal with a douchebag who is insulting you.
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Mar 23, 2016 04:57
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According to the page to get audience tickets, Full Frontal is picked up through January! Yay! It's also off a couple weeks for Easter and the week after. Boo!
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Mo0 posted:According to the page to get audience tickets, Full Frontal is picked up through January! Yay! Oh, nice. That seems like a lot of episodes!
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Mar 23, 2016 08:01
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I always found the archetypal "educated conservative" way more insufferable than the stereotypical uneducated conservative. And guess what? They're typically either neocons or free market fetishists. "I hate Muslims for all the right reasons."
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Echo Chamber posted:I always found the archetypal "educated conservative" way more insufferable than the stereotypical uneducated conservative. And guess what? They're typically either neocons or free market fetishists. Right, like at least if you're uneducated, we can chalk a lot of it up to ignorance and lack of exposure. It's once you've been through college and met people from different backgrounds and still decided to have lovely opinions that it becomes a big problem. I remember even during college at an extremely progressive and small liberal arts school thinking that it was unreasonable for transgender persons to prefer the pronoun "they" to "it." But, you know, eventually I met enough trans people and had enough time to reflect and realize I was being obstinate and unkind. The same cannot necessarily be said of someone who lives his whole life in small-town Indiana for example. (I'm picking on Indiana because that's where I'm originally from.)
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Majorian posted:Loved the David Silverman at CPAC thing. I thought that was one of the weakest segments on the show so far. Why the German gimmick? What was that about? And the whole thing was kind of slow and dull and not very funny.
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Tiggum posted:I thought that was one of the weakest segments on the show so far. Why the German gimmick? What was that about? And the whole thing was kind of slow and dull and not very funny. I thought it was better than the first time when they did it for Jeb Bush, but I don't totally understand the German gimmick, either.
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Tiggum posted:I thought that was one of the weakest segments on the show so far. Why the German gimmick? What was that about? And the whole thing was kind of slow and dull and not very funny.
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Yeah if you don't get the joke about the filming style you're missing the best parts. I get that it'd be bewildering if you're totally unfamiliar with it though.
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Mar 24, 2016 17:48
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It makes me sad this went over some people's heads.
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Mar 24, 2016 17:54
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From that page; Hate in America (upcoming) TV series documentary
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haveblue posted:Really like the repeated calls to vote in non-Presidential elections, that's still the domain of old conservative people and the reason they still control everything below the White House. "Obama's first mid-term defeat? Yeah, you built that." was spot on. Chris Knight fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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