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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Mostly I use it to burn CDs since my car is old and only has a CD player in it.

The Mobo I got is a good example of "get what you pay for," the 4 SATA ports are only SATA II so it nerfs my SSD pretty hard. I'll probably end up buying a $20 PCI-E SATA III card for my HD and connecting the CD drive to the freed up SATA II port.

Hopefully that PCI card will do the trick, apparently there's only a 16x PCI3 (occupied by my graphics card) and a 1x PCI2 slot, so I'm not sure if the PCI2 connection will bottleneck the SSD regardless of it it's SATA II or III...

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Snuffman
May 21, 2004

Quote-Unquote posted:

When I first played UO I had no idea what to do or how any of the skills worked. So I made a bard, and I'd just travel round looking for people to explore with. I couldn't fight anything beyond the weakest animals, so instead I'd offer to write an epic poem about their adventures in exchange for a portion of the loot. I'd write in in-game books, which I'd still find in player houses (and libraries that players made!) for years after. Bought my first house this way, before I even knew how to actually play.

I miss that game so much. They turned it into a completely generic, loot-based game and outside of a few role-playing groups it just became a boring mess.

This is totally awesome. :3:

Not as much of a fun sandbox-ey experience but this reminds me of the brief time in vanilla WoW where for a week, I ran a fish cartel and cornered the fish market.

In the Horde lands, there was a particular fish and the only thing it did was change your appearance to that of a ninja or something for a minute. Totally useless gameplay wise. I was poor, having wasted all my gold on respeccing and needed money for my mount, which in vanilla WoW was a major character development "moment" and the first major expense a player typically faced. Keep in mind, travel was still restricted to fixed gryphon locations and there was no flying mounts, so a fast mount was key to getting around. I needed that mount, but I needed gold!

Being vanilla WoW, there was nothing to at end-game do except PvP and the one dragon raid (Onyxia) and I realized there were a ton of bored max level players with a lot of gold who just wanted to look like a ninja for 2 minutes but couldn't be bothered to go out to this low level oasis and fish. I collected the fish, put them on the auction house at an inflated price and it worked! Whenever anyone listed the fish for less, I'd message them and point out that we "could be earning so much more" if we agreed to price fix. This eventually became a self propagating thing, with members of the fish-cartel recruiting new members by reaching out to low-price listers and convincing them to agree to price fix with us cause hey, we'd all benefit! We formed a guild, we colluded over what the price should be, it was awesome. The price went up and up (I think we hit 1 gold for a stack, which was a lot in vanilla WoW). The good times lasted about a week until another group flooded the market with cheap fish, sending the price crashing down.

Worked out though, I recovered my wasted gold, got my mount (a skeleton horse!) and had gold left over.

That's my best MMO experience. :)

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fist4jesus
Nov 24, 2002
I bought a UPS a few weeks back, installed its software from disk, burned and installed win 10 from the creating tool a few months before that...yeah 2-3 times a year on average....
I guess I could go driveless.

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!
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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Mechanism Eight posted:

That awkward period in the early 2000s where manufacturers had to suddenly deal with balooning thermal load really was wild. Suddenly it was all copper heatsinks, delta fans, blower coolers, phase change... :allears:

Teenage me lusted after an AMD with one of these badboys



You just had to ensure it was firmly mounted to the board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39D4529FM4

First I thought the AMD chips were blowing out at like 39.0C


Then I realized it was 390C and :psyduck:

Did AMD chips just have zero thermal protection back then? It seems like the Intel chips kept it pretty cool (under 40C) even without the heatsink.

I think my i5 will shut itself off if it hits ike 95C...

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!
Yeah, it took a long time before AMD got thermal protection.

Anyway, all you needed was this Delta fan, to keep your badass overclocked CPU cool. Before 80mm was the norm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgInNCr2JuY

It keeps y

I SAID IT KEEPS YOUR CPU COOL

CAN YOU HEAR ME

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I love those fans. I had one about 8 or 9 years ago. I had no idea what to do with it, but man did it haul rear end.

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!
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BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
This was considered overkill cooling back around 2005.


Of course this lead to a ton of DIY cooling methods.



From what I recall this guy spent a while gouging a hole in the side of his case with a screwdriver and a hammer to install that tiny fan then deciding it wasn't enough so rigged a cooling system from his AC unit.



And LAN party pranks:

OMG WTF Power?
>.< L33t HaXoR
2 BED sleep wake up, Y U !


The context was that I'd given up playing Enemy Territory and hit the hay. Annoyed at this my friend decided to rig my system's power to reboot on start, left me a coded message within the keyboard and enjoyed watching my sleep deprived reaction as I began panicking that my new power supply had broken.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Thanks to bitcoin, all those things are popular again.

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice

drunk asian neighbor posted:

My motherboard died last month and I didn't feel like replacing my processor at the same time so I picked up the only in-store mobo for my outdated i5 (socket 1155) processor for like $40.

It's so small that the fans/heat sink assembly on my 970GTX blocks 2 of the 4 SATA ports on the board. Oh well, I don't need a functional CD drive anyway!
Funny because this was a 960GTX. Absolutely dwarfed my old card.

The packaging and marketing stuff has gotten absurd too. Every port with a dust plug, rubber protector on the socket pins (or whatever that term is), came with a massive movie-style poster, and instead of a sticker it came with a little painted metal badge and yes I did stick it on my case.

E: oh and I had not used my optical drive in years but tried the disk for drives which failed for some reason. Downloaded latest (10 days old or so) from their website which worked to remind me you always just toss the media and install from the web.

Mechanism Eight posted:

That awkward period in the early 2000s where manufacturers had to suddenly deal with balooning thermal load really was wild. Suddenly it was all copper heatsinks, delta fans, blower coolers, phase change... :allears:

Teenage me lusted after an AMD with one of these badboys



You just had to ensure it was firmly mounted to the board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39D4529FM4
Don't forget liquid! At least for CPUs. I honestly forgot my CPU was liquid cooled until I opened it up to put the new card in. I used to build my own but just paid for someone (cyberpower I think) to put it together for me. Saw the little hoses going to a mini radiator which was full of dust. I cleaned everything out.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Snuffman posted:

This is totally awesome. :3:

Not as much of a fun sandbox-ey experience but this reminds me of the brief time in vanilla WoW where for a week, I ran a fish cartel and cornered the fish market.
Haha. I did the same thing with the Icy Chill enchant from Winterspring or whatever it was called. Farming those ghost ladies for hours to get my 1000G for a mount took like a week.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Snuffman posted:

This is totally awesome. :3:

Not as much of a fun sandbox-ey experience but this reminds me of the brief time in vanilla WoW where for a week, I ran a fish cartel and cornered the fish market.

In the Horde lands, there was a particular fish and the only thing it did was change your appearance to that of a ninja or something for a minute. Totally useless gameplay wise. I was poor, having wasted all my gold on respeccing and needed money for my mount, which in vanilla WoW was a major character development "moment" and the first major expense a player typically faced. Keep in mind, travel was still restricted to fixed gryphon locations and there was no flying mounts, so a fast mount was key to getting around. I needed that mount, but I needed gold!

Being vanilla WoW, there was nothing to at end-game do except PvP and the one dragon raid (Onyxia) and I realized there were a ton of bored max level players with a lot of gold who just wanted to look like a ninja for 2 minutes but couldn't be bothered to go out to this low level oasis and fish. I collected the fish, put them on the auction house at an inflated price and it worked! Whenever anyone listed the fish for less, I'd message them and point out that we "could be earning so much more" if we agreed to price fix. This eventually became a self propagating thing, with members of the fish-cartel recruiting new members by reaching out to low-price listers and convincing them to agree to price fix with us cause hey, we'd all benefit! We formed a guild, we colluded over what the price should be, it was awesome. The price went up and up (I think we hit 1 gold for a stack, which was a lot in vanilla WoW). The good times lasted about a week until another group flooded the market with cheap fish, sending the price crashing down.

Worked out though, I recovered my wasted gold, got my mount (a skeleton horse!) and had gold left over.

That's my best MMO experience. :)

So I guess you're the person to ask:

How I mine for fish?

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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:thumbsup:

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
My optical drive probably goes 18 months between being opened on average. I ripped the Phineas and Ferb movie soundtrack for my kids, and then like two years later had to burn a CD for my wife and the Phineas and Ferb CD had been in there the whole time.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Sten Freak posted:

Funny because this was a 960GTX. Absolutely dwarfed my old card.

The packaging and marketing stuff has gotten absurd too. Every port with a dust plug, rubber protector on the socket pins (or whatever that term is), came with a massive movie-style poster, and instead of a sticker it came with a little painted metal badge and yes I did stick it on my case.


To be fair, the dust plugs are useful and the socket protector is a great idea considering even a small scratch on those pins can seriously compromise the functionality of the card. Thankfully Intel CPUs have the pins on the motherboard end nowadays, but somehow the mobo pins are even more fragile than the CPU pins used to be.

Also yeah the poster was dumb but Intel's little stickers are ingrained in me from my youth so you bet your rear end I put that little metal badge on my tower next to the Core i5, Samsung SSD and HyperX memory stickers

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


How do you do a complete reformat with no optical drive?

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Casimir Radon posted:

How do you do a complete reformat with no optical drive?

Boot from a thumbdrive. I had to do that on an old Netbook for a work emergency last week. Got Win7 and Lubuntu dual-booted entirely from USB.

Oh! Fun fact I learned the hard way, though - MSI's "Fast Boot" utility really just disables a bunch of BIOS-level poo poo, including USB support. It's also a Windows program, so if you gently caress up your installation and have Fast Boot enabled...honestly I dunno how you'd get around that. Maybe reset the BIOS?

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Casimir Radon posted:

How do you do a complete reformat with no optical drive?

Bootable thumb drives.

I still run optical drives on my desktop machines, but they tend to get used just a few times a year.

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
Yeah the plugs are pretty cool, and the pin protector neat. I did forget the worse offender: plastic protection film on the fan center caps. Do those do anything?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I posted this in the retro gaming thread but I did some cleaning in the garage and consolidated my old systems that I've had since the mid 90s and haven't touched in years.

quote:

Anyhow, here is a quick photo I took of them as I was cataloguing them in the garage. I also did a little spreadsheet up.

I also have a C64, 1701 monitor and 1541 drive that I didn't bother fishing out for the family portrait.


code:
1	Nintendo	Virtual Boy	System	Sealed in box
1	Nintendo	Virtual Boy	System	Mint - In hardcase with AC adapter
2	Atari 	Jaguar	System-Power Pack	Sealed in box
2	Atari 	Jaguar	CD Add-on	In box - VG complete
1	Commodore	C16	PC	In box - VG complete
1	Commodore	Plus4	PC	In Box - Good, no styrofoam
1	Nintendo	N64	System	Mint - In box
1	Sega	Dreamcast	System-Black Sport	Sealed in box
1	Sega	Dreamcast	System - Black Sport	Mint - In box
1	Sega	Dreamcast	System - Standard	Mint - in box
1	Sony	PS2	System - Slim Silver	Mint
1	Sony	PS2	Network Adapter/Modem	Good-Loose
1	Sega	Saturn	System-Nights and Value Pack	Mint - In box
1	Sega	Dreamcast	3rd party Tremor Pack	Excellent - In box
1	Sega	Dreamcast	VMU	VG-Loose
1	Atari 	Jaguar	S-Video Cable	Sealed in bag
2	Atari 	Jaguar	Composite Cables	Sealed in bag
2	Atari 	Jaguar	Highlander CD	Sealed in box
2	Atari 	Jaguar	Tempest 2000 Cart	Sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Fight for life Cart	Sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Dragon: Bruce Lee cart	Sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Club Drive Cart	Mint - in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Checkered Flag cart	Mint - in box
2	Atari 	Jaguar	Standard OEM Controller	New - In bag
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Pro Controller	Mint - in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Tempest 2000 Cart	mint - in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Alien Vs Predator Cart	mint - in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Memory Pack	Mint
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Val D'isre Skiing Cart	Sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Riven Pinball Cart	Sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Zool 2 Cart	Sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Iron Soldiers cart	sealed in box
1	Atari 	Jaguar	Pitfall Cart	Mint
1	Atari 	Jaguar	White man can't jump W/Teamtap	Sealed
1	Nintendo	N64	Rush 2	VG - Creased box
1	Nintendo	N64	Rush  	Excellent - In box
1	Nintendo	N64	Pilotwings	Excellent - In box
1	Nintendo	N64	Goldeneye	Excellent - In box
1	Nintendo	Virtual Boy	Teleroboxer	Excellent - In box
1	Nintendo	Virtual Boy	Virtual League Baseball	Excellent - In box
1	Nintendo	Virtual Boy	Waterworld	Excellent - In box
1	Nintendo	Virtual Boy	Golf	Excellent - In box
1	Sega	Dreamcast	MadCatz Controller	Good-Loose
1	Sega	Dreamcast	3rd party memory cart	excellent
1	Sega	Dreamcast	Interac Light Gun	Very Good
1	Sega	Saturn	Superpad	Excellent in box
1	Sega	Saturn	Gunz light gun	Excellent in box
1	Sega	Saturn	Sega Rally Championship PLUS	VG - Jewel Case
1	Sega	Saturn	House of the Dead	Mint
1	Sega	Saturn	Virtual Racing	VG - Case crack
1	Sega	Saturn	Nights	Mint
1	Sega	Saturn	Rally 	VG - Case crack
Also sure I have a brand new Game Boy Micro in a box I bought on close-out, but be damned if I can remember where it is.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
its like a museum of gaming failure

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Why do you have all that and in such quantities?

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


mng posted:

Anyway, all you needed was this Delta fan, to keep your badass overclocked CPU cool. Before 80mm was the norm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgInNCr2JuY

It keeps y

I SAID IT KEEPS YOUR CPU COOL

CAN YOU HEAR ME

Slightly grazing your knuckles against one of these while you're moving cables around feels great.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

there's like 70% of the world's jaguar products and accessories in your garage. they were there this whole time

A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

Slightly grazing your knuckles against one of these while you're moving cables around feels cool.

Ftfy

Edit: do you know if those JagCD systems actually work? you can make a killing from those!

Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 06:26 on Mar 15, 2016

Samuel L. ACKSYN
Feb 29, 2008


Mak0rz posted:

there's like 70% of the world's jaguar products and accessories in your garage. they were there this whole time


Ftfy

Edit: do you know if those JagCD systems actually work? you can make a killing from those!


lol yeah rite, a jagcd that still works. get a load of dis guy

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


slidebite posted:

I posted this in the retro gaming thread but I did some cleaning in the garage and consolidated my old systems that I've had since the mid 90s and haven't touched in years.

I want that JagCD

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Sten Freak posted:

Upgraded my vid card this weekend which got me thinking about their physical growth. I believe first dedicated card I recall was a VooDoo2. I tend to buy a mid level PC, then upgrade the video card after 4 years which gives me another 2 or 3 of good use out of it so I've upgraded quite a few cards since that VooDoo and every one has gotten a little thicker but this latest card was double the length of my old card. It fit, but I had to reroute cables as it stretches from the back of the tower to almost touching the drive bay housing.

Inside an IBM XT:



Note all the "full length" ISA cards. Not visible in this picture is the fact that there were slots at the front of the case for the cards to slide into so they didn't flex since they were so long but the connectors were fairly short.

So video cards are big nowadays you say? :v:

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
^And ugh those drat hard to manipulate ribbon cables which stuck around for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. Also bent quite a few pins but thankfully never broke any.

The first software company I worked for protected their product with a piece of hardware that you put in an ISA slot. They stopped it after I started working for them so I don't know any other details than they did it and stopped because they sold to the public sector and government agencies would steal the product from them (they did).

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

Sten Freak posted:

^And ugh those drat hard to manipulate ribbon cables which stuck around for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. Also bent quite a few pins but thankfully never broke any.

Of all the things I'm glad are long gone ribbon cables are at the top of the list. CRTs are a pretty close second, though.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"

slidebite posted:

I posted this in the retro gaming thread but I did some cleaning in the garage and consolidated my old systems that I've had since the mid 90s and haven't touched in years.

U should send me a Dreamcast, my beloved sports version got destroyed :(

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
I always paid extra for round IDE cables. Still sucked.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I would rather use a ribbon cable than do anything with a CRT. I think my parents keep a CRT TV in their family room only because it would be too heavy to get rid of.

woodch
Jun 13, 2000

This'll kill ya!

Mak0rz posted:

Of all the things I'm glad are long gone ribbon cables are at the top of the list. CRTs are a pretty close second, though.

Nah, see... I can deal with ribbon cables okay. Install and forget. That heavy, hot, and gigantic CRT on the other hand? First thing against the wall when the revolution came.

I remember the old XTs with their huge ISA cards... Isn't one of those just a memory card with like 512K of RAM on it or something? Blows my mind sometimes.

I think the thing about modern video cards being so huge is more down to how much heat-management is needed. The guts of the card itself is pretty small considering how powerful it is. Most of the physical size of the card is from heatsinks, air-flow management, and fans. I've got a GTX960 as well, and it's pretty laughably big and bulky. But most of that size is the big plastic shroud and squirrel-cage fan that keeps it cool.

It's been said before, but the big trend I like lately is the reduction in overall size of desktop computers. I had a "full tower" case for a long time, and looking back on how unnecessary all that bulk was makes me cringe. Having to buy super long cables just to reach the CD-ROM drive from the motherboard. Making a big enough space for it to live. The only thing really nice about it was having room to work inside it, but that was so infrequent that it really didn't offset all the downsides. Not to mention how heavy and clumsy that bastard was to move around.

And don't get me started on the traditional desktop cases--the ones you put your big CRT on top of on your desk which created two problems:
1) A 1.5' square of wasted desk space, and
2) Having to move that heavy monitor and find a place to put it if you had to get inside your computer.

Sometimes I wish I'd stayed more interested in music instead of thinking I could make a living working on computers.

Edit: ^^^ That guy knows what's up ^^^

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
I have a 28 inch flat tube CRT HDTV that weighs like a hundred pounds. 28 inches used to be considered big.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Germstore posted:

I have a 28 inch flat tube CRT HDTV that weighs like a hundred pounds. 28 inches used to be considered big.

Much like a hundred pounds is considered heavy if you're a weak-rear end pencil-necked Lowtax-built geek :smugmrgw:

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

Jerry Cotton posted:

Much like a hundred pounds is considered heavy if you're a weak-rear end pencil-necked Lowtax-built geek :smugmrgw:

Unfortunately the TV isn't shaped like a kettlebell.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Whenever my friends or I were feeling flush with cash when we were building our dream systems, we would splurge on some gigantic CRT, like 19 inches or some poo poo. Maybe even 21. 4:3 of course. Quality tube. And naturally that meant a monitor that was at least as deep as it was wide, and so heavy that the structural integrity of the desk was a concern. Like, we would have to plan where on the desk we would put the thing based on how well braced it was underneath.

Because of the depth it sucked up and the need for extra reinforcement, that often meant the monitor lived in the corner of an L-shaped desk, by necessity. Remember kids, there was a time when if your monitor was too big, it would stick out so much depth-wise that you wouldn't be able to fit a keyboard in front of it on the desk surface, and you'd have to install a slide-out keyboard tray.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
Interesting thing about CRTs is that they have what's basically a giant capacitor inside, and it can store charge for a very long time after it's been unplugged. So basically even if you wait a week or two before opening it up, you could still kill yourself by touching it.

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


computer parts posted:

Interesting thing about CRTs is that they have what's basically a giant capacitor inside, and it can store charge for a very long time after it's been unplugged. So basically even if you wait a week or two before opening it up, you could still kill yourself by touching it.
Could be longer than that. I've heard you could potentially get a nasty shock rooting around the insides of an old tv in a dump supposing it never got discharged. Don't know why you would do that.

Somebody said something in a thread about how the Apple Store hiring requirements could be pretty strict because loving around inside first gen iMacs brought you really close to the CRT inside them. It probably was even mentioned in this thread. Do you really have to do more than pull the cord and push the power button a few times?

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