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Digirat posted:Bloodborne's healing system is a pointless step back I hope you are only referring to the blood vials and not trashing on the rally system? Because if so I would agree with you.
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No the rally thing is fabulous design, although on that topic I think the game makes it unimportant very quickly. It's a flat number and not a % without any way to increase it that doesn't weaken you in other ways, so it doesn't mean much when the hardest content in the game can either one-shot you at 50 vitality or combo you down to a sliver of health left almost instantly.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:21
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I just had a dude give me props for pulling off a sick visceral on a boss, i'm going to start doing that for now on cause it was badass, it was like he was going GOOOOOOOOOAL https://gfycat.com/SneakyEqualGrebe
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Mar 16, 2016 06:32
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Rally potential depends on your weapon and so it isn't just a flat number. The DLC also has a rune that increases it by quite a bit. I did a run where I could usually ignore blood vials and instead be very aggressive because I got so much health back through rally.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:45
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BigSexyWitGlasses posted:I picked up this game and the DLC for 35 bucks total. Never really dug into the Souls series before but this is good so far. I made it to the Cleric Beast and I don't know how I'm going to beat the big bastard but I will. gently caress that thing. That's the spirit Also in my opinion this is the best Souls game, especially for a newcomer since a lot of it is totally different from previous Souls anyway. Paineopticon posted:I find Cleric Beast easier to fight unlocked, since the lock camera is horrible for that fight 
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Mar 16, 2016 06:45
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I finally got myself a ps4 and have been playing a lot of bloodborne. Just finished it infact. Overall I really loved it, at the moment it's probably my favorite souls game. And the Threaded cane is my new favorite weapon, used it the entire game. Boss death count in order I fought them: Cleric Beast - 2 Father Gascoigne - 4 Blood Starved beast - 5 Vicar Amelia - 0 The Witch of Hemwick - 0 Darkbeast - 2 Shadows of Yharnam - 0 Rom - 2 Martyr Logarius - 0 Celestial Emissary - 0 Ludwig - 9 Ebrietas - 6 The One Reborn - 0 Amygdala - 0 Living Failures - 1 Maria - 4 Micolash - 2 Laurence - 5 FREAKING orphan of kos - 118 wet nurse - 1 The First Hunter - 0 Moon Presence - 0
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Mar 16, 2016 07:34
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Every time I see lists like this, I realize how truly terrible I am. It takes me 10 boss attempts just to start learning their tells.
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Mar 16, 2016 07:36
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One hundred and loving eighteen? How does that even happen when you were already beating a bunch of them on your first try and the second worst boss was only at 9? I would have just shelved the game by 60.
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Mar 16, 2016 07:40
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Digirat posted:One hundred and loving eighteen? I was a bit too committed to trying to parry his second phase, but I did beat him by parrying! I think overall parrying is much easier in Bloodborne than in past souls games. It takes some getting used to, but you can do it safely from a distance and the timing is more forgiving. If a boss could be parried that's pretty much how I fought them. Visceral attacks are so satisfying. Theowulv fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Mar 16, 2016 07:40
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Like, I'm stuck on Maria right now. She's not even a particularly hard boss. I can get her down to 10% health most of the time. But if I gently caress up once it's really easy for me to die. I know basically all of her moves at this point, except for her grab which I only saw for the first time tonight. But the Chikage is a lot harder to use against her than Holy Moonlight Sword, especially in her last phase where you can only get one hit on her before she teleports. There are still moves that I can't consistently dodge. And I still can't tell the difference between her blood laser and her blood 360 slash chargeup. They look almost completely the same to me. So it just blows my mind that there are people who learn everything they need to beat her in a few tries, when I've beat her with two other characters and made probably 20 attempts on this character. Like sure, I can parry her, walk circles around her like a boss, iframe dodge most of her attacks, until I can't and I die. It's just that I'm kind of slow learner, and it's awe inspiring that there are people who are just like "oh this is happening, I shall do this in response" and they can just execute what they intend to do.
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Mar 16, 2016 07:50
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Does higher bloodtinge make it easier to parry? I had 40 bloodtinge and a +9 Evelyn. I was using my gun as the primary source of damage overall.
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Mar 16, 2016 08:30
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It does not make it easier to parry.
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Mar 16, 2016 08:37
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Theowulv posted:I finally got myself a ps4 and have been playing a lot of bloodborne. Just finished it infact. Overall I really loved it, at the moment it's probably my favorite souls game. And the Threaded cane is my new favorite weapon, used it the entire game. That's actually fairly similar to mine, Maria and Laurence took me a lot more, CB, Gascoigne and BSB I did first go.
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Mar 16, 2016 09:05
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Oh I forgot about chalice dungeons, I didn't keep track of how may times I died in them but I know Rom and defilied Amygdala gave me a lot more trouble in them than in the base game. I only did the chalices required for the trophy though. I actually like/don't mind dungeon crawling but I kind of want to move on to scholar of the first sin.
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Mar 16, 2016 09:28
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scary ghost dog posted:heres the best tip you will ever get: you can beat the whole game with just your fists, or no levels, hell maybe both I think someone tried to do a SL4 run with their fists and found that they couldn't kill Vicar Amelia because they couldn't carry enough Numbing Mists to nullify her healing forever, and once she started healing they couldn't do enough damage to keep up.
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Mar 16, 2016 11:44
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Digirat posted:Work toward 50 vitality. You will never need to grind for materials to get to another premade dungeon as long as you don't skip anything. There's also the 2 you get from whichever floor of the Student Building that is.
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Mar 16, 2016 12:54
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Digirat posted:Bloodborne's healing system is a pointless step back, but the game doesn't put unique items like weapons and armor on enemy drops and thats a huge step up from dark souls 1 and 2. I hated having to grind for armor sets from enemies in dark souls 2. The rally system changes the game completely IMO
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Mar 16, 2016 13:23
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Use the runes that give you increased rally potential, more damage from visceral attacks and healing from visceral attacks and never touch blood vials again
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Mar 16, 2016 13:31
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Sakurazuka posted:Use the runes that give you increased rally potential, more damage from visceral attacks and healing from visceral attacks and never touch blood vials again Its mainly an issue early on before you get a stock built up or have access to options like that. For me I always have trouble with the blood starved beast and inevitably have to farm some around that time.
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Mar 16, 2016 13:54
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voltron lion force posted:Its mainly an issue early on before you get a stock built up or have access to options like that. For me I always have trouble with the blood starved beast and inevitably have to farm some around that time. blood starved beast is literally the easiest boss in the game since you can avoid every single attack by moving towards its right side, you dont even have to dodge
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Mar 16, 2016 15:46
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Before you figure out how to cheese BSB it's a pretty challenging fight. He's unbelievably relentless in phase 3.
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Mar 16, 2016 15:48
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BSB scared me the first few times I attempted him because of big he seems but then I realized it's all just friggin rags and he just slides around the room like a dumbass.
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Mar 16, 2016 15:52
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In Training posted:BSB scared me the first few times I attempted him because of big he seems but then I realized it's all just friggin rags and he just slides around the room like a dumbass. That's not rags. That's the skin of his back.
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Mar 16, 2016 15:59
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RyokoTK posted:Before you figure out how to cheese BSB it's a pretty challenging fight. He's unbelievably relentless in phase 3. ya thats true i almost forgot........hes also insanely easy to parry
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Mar 16, 2016 16:06
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I always thought dodging left was the cheese strat for him. Seems to work okay but I always die at least once in phase 3 due to getting combo'd and poisoned
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Mar 16, 2016 16:08
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If you just walk forward he misses. The only way to get hit is to stand still or move away from him, another early boss that teaches you you need to be in close all the time to achieve victory.
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Mar 16, 2016 16:10
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Blood Starved Beast is a good introduction to why dodging backwards instead of straight through attacks is a bad idea. See also: Beastmode Gascoigne and his crazy 10-hit combo.
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Mar 16, 2016 18:24
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CJacobs posted:Blood Starved Beast is a good introduction to why dodging backwards instead of straight through attacks is a bad idea. See also: Beastmode Gascoigne and his crazy 10-hit combo.
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Theowulv posted:Oh I forgot about chalice dungeons, I didn't keep track of how may times I died in them but I know Rom and defilied Amygdala gave me a lot more trouble in them than in the base game. I only did the chalices required for the trophy though. I actually like/don't mind dungeon crawling but I kind of want to move on to scholar of the first sin. About what level were you when you completed the dungeons?
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Mar 16, 2016 19:00
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You're gonna be 100+ by the time you finish no matter what you are when you start, just because of the sheer amount of echoes that depth 4 and 5 dungeons throw at you. Well unless you don't level up or are constantly losing them.
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Mar 16, 2016 19:59
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Sakurazuka posted:You're gonna be 100+ by the time you finish no matter what you are when you start, just because of the sheer amount of echoes that depth 4 and 5 dungeons throw at you. Well unless you don't level up or are constantly losing them. Lower (edit: Pthumeru) kinda gates progress through the dungeons, because that's where things start oneshotting you (Flail Giant, Rom, and a lot of trash in level 4) if you're below mid-30s VIT, but you still don't get many echoes at that point. Dungeons only really make it rain once you get to Loran, before that it's far more time-efficient to grind the Lecture Hall slug scholars than it is to have a mini boss fight against a layer 4 Watcher (or god forbid one of those Pthumerian greatsword jerkoffs) Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Mar 16, 2016 20:09
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Sakurazuka posted:You're gonna be 100+ by the time you finish no matter what you are when you start, just because of the sheer amount of echoes that depth 4 and 5 dungeons throw at you. Well unless you don't level up or are constantly losing them. Well I haven't been leveling up as I haven't felt the need, but I'm only at depth 3 pthumeru. I'm alternating between the DLC (just beat living failures) and the chalice dungeons on this playthrough, both are new to me. Current level is 78, with code:With a +10 cleaver and everything has been hunky dory. I am planning to raise Vit to 50 for 4 and 5 depth dungeons and I guess use Str as the dump stat. Looking good?
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Mar 16, 2016 20:56
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Anti-Hero posted:Well I haven't been leveling up as I haven't felt the need, but I'm only at depth 3 pthumeru. I'm alternating between the DLC (just beat living failures) and the chalice dungeons on this playthrough, both are new to me. Those stats look good, don't level VIT or END any further. If BLT and ARC are "whatever" then it seems you have a quality (STR+SKL) build so you should level STR and SKL fairly equally. The Cleaver scales slightly better off STR, but your Visceral attacks mostly scale off SKL.
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Correct on this being a quality build. I stopped at the soft-cap for SKL for the better viscerals until I had figured out where I wanted to take the character. I'll pump STR and SKL then! Edit: why no Vit to 50? Seems like everyone recommends that for later chalice dungeons.
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Mar 16, 2016 21:06
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Anti-Hero posted:Correct on this being a quality build. I stopped at the soft-cap for SKL for the better viscerals until I had figured out where I wanted to take the character. I'll pump STR and SKL then! you should raise vit to 50, that's when diminishing returns kick in. the above poster is wrong
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Mar 16, 2016 21:10
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you can level endurance to 30 or even 40 if you want, builds with big or spammy weapons benefit a lot from seemingly unlimited stamina
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Mar 16, 2016 21:11
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Having a bigger stamina bar than a health bar is the sign of a true Power Gamer
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Mar 16, 2016 21:14
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You'll get better returns at this time going from 30 STR to 40 STR than you would going from 40 VIT to 50 VIT imo but that's just m.o. Admittedly that's not exactly what I said in the previous post though ("don't level VIT beyond 40 ever" vs "don't level VIT beyond 40 yet")
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Mar 16, 2016 21:21
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Yes, that makes sense.
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Definitely get more than 20 endurance, especially if you're using the cleaver. The thing loving melts bosses if you can combo endlessly.
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