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Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
So the LNP wants to build a metro subway for brisbane?

What the gently caress good will that do? Isn't the problem with Brisbane (and indeed any city with major urban sprawl) copious amounts of people descending from the suburbs all at once creating bottlenecks into the major centre? Or am I completely missing what a "metro subway system" means.

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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

A metro would mostly replace the buses that plague Brisbane. Suburban trains would still run, but people would be able to transfer to the metro for the last (or first) leg of their trip. They could also park their cars at an outer metro station and get the train into the city.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

open24hours posted:

people would be able to transfer to the metro for the last (or first) leg of their trip.

Being a regular of Brisbane public transport, I wonder why they think this is the most pressing issue.

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

Zenithe posted:

Being a regular of Brisbane public transport, I wonder why they think this is the most pressing issue.

The appearance of doing something on public transport, but really just wanting to push it off in to the distance while feasibility studies, study tours and such happen.

asio
Nov 29, 2008

"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

Zenithe posted:

Being a regular of Brisbane public transport, I wonder why they think this is the most pressing issue.

Yeah it's really terrible. All the routes are already covered by existing infrastructure, which could be upgraded instead of replaced e.g. seperated bicycle lanes along Stanley st in the gabba to link the bike path to/from cbd and southbank.

It'll cause tens of thousands of passengers per hour in peak times to change their travel mode in those areas - lots of people standing around fighting four lanes and a freeway entrance.

The costing is shot too - it can only be paid for if state gov come on board, and it's now looking like the orginal number is missing a billion or two.

People think "paris metro" but it's only an underground busway covering stops already serviced by ground level bus and train.

BUT it will make sure povvo southsiders don't come over and poo poo up the new casino and scare away the Chinese whales.

Edit:

EvilElmo posted:

The appearance of doing something on public transport, but really just wanting to push it off in to the distance while feasibility studies, study tours and such happen.

they're talking about the metro not rods trams

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Buck Turgidson posted:

Above all, I really hope that they add some sort of "supplying goods below cost for a sustained period" element to the provision because otherwise they could inadvertently punish the very sort of efficiency and innovation that competitive markets are meant to encourage. Something like that would allow scope for discretionary pricing enabled by efficiency and innovation rather than size alone. Predatory pricing is always going to be a sort of grey area where you punish someone for being good at something (even it's just for being big, having other profitable businesses, and having lots of cash) and taking advantage of it, but to me that kind of tweak seems more in line with what competition policy is meant to achieve.

Are you talking about S46(1AA)? Aka the amendment Barnaby Joyce dreamed up in a pub in loving Birdsville of all places:

quote:

(1AA) A corporation that has a substantial share of a market must not supply, or offer to supply, goods or services for a sustained period at a price that is less than the relevant cost to the corporation of supplying such goods or services, for the purpose of:

(a) eliminating or substantially damaging a competitor of the corporation or of a body corporate that is related to the corporation in that or any other market; or

(b) preventing the entry of a person into that or any other market; or

(c) deterring or preventing a person from engaging in competitive conduct in that or any other market.



His speech is so bad it's good again.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansards%2F2007-09-11%2F0146%22

I would blow Dane Cook fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Mar 16, 2016

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Weird that coalition backbenchers weren't satisfied by an independent review that didn't agree with their preconceived idiocy, almost like they are permanently acting in bad faith

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009



Post election Brisbane Goonmeet.
Quirk goonbye, goonbye Quirk, goonbye.

Saturday 19th March.
6pm Kwan Bros. Fortitude Valley.

bigis
Jun 21, 2006
ING Direct seems pretty good for super. No fees (?) on the balanced asset allocation, reasonable on the growth ones.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE



Kommando posted:



Post election Brisbane Goonmeet.
Quirk goonbye, goonbye Quirk, goonbye.

Saturday 19th March.
6pm Kwan Bros. Fortitude Valley.

See you next goonmeet :( away for this weekend in Lennox head and next weekend in Fiji so will be out till April.

sick of Applebees
Nov 7, 2008

iajanus posted:

See you next goonmeet :( away for this weekend in Lennox head and next weekend in Fiji so will be out till April.

We're waiting for you milord!
Come play with us!

UrbanLabyrinth
Jan 28, 2009

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence


College Slice

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

I think I got most of them right the first time

UrbanLabyrinth
Jan 28, 2009

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence


College Slice

gay picnic defence posted:

I think I got most of them right the first time

It's a trick! They're all potatoes.

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Are you talking about S46(1AA)? Aka the amendment Barnaby Joyce dreamed up in a pub in loving Birdsville of all places:




His speech is so bad it's good again.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansards%2F2007-09-11%2F0146%22

Sort of! I didn't mention it specifically because of the reference to market share (wtf), because it retains the references to individual competitors or would-be competitors, and because Barnaby Joyce. There's too much there that distracts from the bit that I actually kinda like, which is the "sustained period at a price that is less than the relevant cost" part. I think it would be possible to put something similar in the proposed s 46 that allows for some level of control on predatory pricing without preventing innovators from benefiting from their hard work and squeezing their competitors.

Just more generally I think that if s 46 is going to be used mostly to target predatory pricing or similar behaviour, or if those behaviours are generally of the most concern, maybe s 46 or another part of the CCA should specifically address them. It's just such a strange section. It potentially covers a huge range of stuff, most of which is likely covered more effectively by other provisions, but is actually mostly used to target a couple of specific behaviours, and because of that breadth it inevitably brings out all sorts of tensions and difficult questions. Why even have it instead of something more specific? Still, I gotta admit, it's somewhat appealing to have a broad catch-all in an area as incredibly unsexy as competition where there's money to be made by being dodgy, where there are always new ways of being dodgy, and where you can't expect parliament to keep pace.

Buck Turgidson fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 16, 2016

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

It's a trick! They're all potatoes.

gently caress

million dollar mack
Aug 20, 2006
Larson ain't getting this cow.

quote:

Mr Christensen, who has called for the Safe Schools program to be scrapped, quoted a report containing "controversial views" which he said was published by Professor Dowsett in 1982.

The Member for Dawson told Parliament Professor Dowsett was a "longtime advocate of intergenerational sex, otherwise known as paedophilia".

"He says: 'How different then is the gentle, tentative sexuality between parent and child from the love of a paedophile and his or her lover. That kind of love, warmth and nurture is an important part of the paedophilic relationship'," Mr Christensen told Parliament.

"He argued in that journal that paedophilia should be part of the gay movement, it must be legally recognised and depicts it as a wider sexual liberation.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-16/george-christensen-links-safe-schools-program-to-paedophilia/7252476

I can't tell whether they're gigantic walking pieces of poo poo through fear or gigantic walking pieces of poo poo through ignorance. Maybe both?

ACL must be digging into the archives really hard

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
International students have been offered casual employment at just $50 per day, well less than half the Australian minimum wage, to campaign on behalf of a Liberal National Party councillor in the lead-up to Saturday's poll.

Workers manning prepoll booths for Macgregor councillor Steven Huang's campaign have been paid $50 a day for what was advertised as eight hours' casual work.

A post seeking workers for the LNP campaign was sent to members of UQ Focus, a group for Christian international students at the University of Queensland with a high proportion of Chinese-speaking members.

Written in Mandarin and independently translated by Fairfax Media, the message clearly set out it would be a "casual job" and outlined the pay conditions.

"Casual job assisting councillor distribute Monday to Friday until the 19th [of March], 9-5pm, $50 per day. Contact if interested," the recruiter's message read.

Fairfax Media has also seen text messages sent from Cr Huang's phone, also in Mandarin, between him and a campaign worker.

Campaign worker: "Hey brother, I couldn't get [name removed] she is not picking up the calls. Is [name removed] going to this place on Monday?"

Cr Huang: "Yes, thank you."

The campaign worker then sent the address of a pre-poll location in Macgregor.

Cr Huang: "Yes."

Campaign worker: "This Friday I pay him $50 per day right?"

Cr Huang: "Yes."

The Australian minimum wage, as set by the Fair Work Commission, is $17.29 per hour, with a 25 per cent casual loading.

That meant workers should be paid a minimum of $172.90 for a full eight-hour day's work.

However, in practice, most election campaign workers were volunteers and provided their time free of charge, because they believed in the cause.

Unions and other vested interests have been known to provide paid staff to political campaigns, the unions primarily to the Labor Party.

Comment was sought from Cr Huang, who did not return Fairfax Media's calls.

However, an LNP campaign spokeswoman denied the councillor's involvement.

"This is not Cr Huang's advertisement and is not endorsed by Team Quirk," she said.

"Cr Huang is not offering any payments for electioneering."

Labor lord mayoral candidate Rod Harding's campaign declined an offer to comment.

Cr Huang faces two challengers in his bid to retain Macgregor – Labor's Tom Huang (no relation) and the Greens' Patsy O'Brien.

Taiwan-born Cr Huang was appointed to the council in 2011, when Macgregor was vacated by then-deputy mayor Graham Quirk.

Cr Quirk was appointed lord mayor after Campbell Newman resigned to pursue his short-lived state political career, which saw him become premier but lose government within a single term.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Anidav posted:

International students have been offered casual employment at just $50 per day, well less than half the Australian minimum wage, to campaign on behalf of a Liberal National Party councillor in the lead-up to Saturday's poll.

Workers manning prepoll booths for Macgregor councillor Steven Huang's campaign have been paid $50 a day for what was advertised as eight hours' casual work.

A post seeking workers for the LNP campaign was sent to members of UQ Focus, a group for Christian international students at the University of Queensland with a high proportion of Chinese-speaking members.

Written in Mandarin and independently translated by Fairfax Media, the message clearly set out it would be a "casual job" and outlined the pay conditions.

"Casual job assisting councillor distribute Monday to Friday until the 19th [of March], 9-5pm, $50 per day. Contact if interested," the recruiter's message read.

Fairfax Media has also seen text messages sent from Cr Huang's phone, also in Mandarin, between him and a campaign worker.

Campaign worker: "Hey brother, I couldn't get [name removed] she is not picking up the calls. Is [name removed] going to this place on Monday?"

Cr Huang: "Yes, thank you."

The campaign worker then sent the address of a pre-poll location in Macgregor.

Cr Huang: "Yes."

Campaign worker: "This Friday I pay him $50 per day right?"

Cr Huang: "Yes."

The Australian minimum wage, as set by the Fair Work Commission, is $17.29 per hour, with a 25 per cent casual loading.

That meant workers should be paid a minimum of $172.90 for a full eight-hour day's work.

However, in practice, most election campaign workers were volunteers and provided their time free of charge, because they believed in the cause.

Unions and other vested interests have been known to provide paid staff to political campaigns, the unions primarily to the Labor Party.

Comment was sought from Cr Huang, who did not return Fairfax Media's calls.

However, an LNP campaign spokeswoman denied the councillor's involvement.

"This is not Cr Huang's advertisement and is not endorsed by Team Quirk," she said.

"Cr Huang is not offering any payments for electioneering."

Labor lord mayoral candidate Rod Harding's campaign declined an offer to comment.

Cr Huang faces two challengers in his bid to retain Macgregor – Labor's Tom Huang (no relation) and the Greens' Patsy O'Brien.

Taiwan-born Cr Huang was appointed to the council in 2011, when Macgregor was vacated by then-deputy mayor Graham Quirk.

Cr Quirk was appointed lord mayor after Campbell Newman resigned to pursue his short-lived state political career, which saw him become premier but lose government within a single term.

Lol my electorate, perhaps I should volunteer for the Greens this saturday.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Are they still laboring the point?

turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011

I'm exhausting my preferences before labor at every opportunity I am given from now on. Thank god for senate reform, wish we had optimal above the line like in NSW so I don't have to preference Albo at all. Have had absolutely enough of their garbage after the latest round of crocodile tears.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
Wait what?

What happened according to something that isn't I'm assuming textbook propaganda.

asio
Nov 29, 2008

"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Lol my electorate, perhaps I should volunteer for the Greens this saturday.

This is a very good idea

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Zenithe posted:

Wait what?

What happened according to something that isn't I'm assuming textbook propaganda.

ewe2 posted:

The longish answer from the ABC site:

What the hell just happened in the red chamber?

* Crossbenchers have been cooking up a plan with Labor to try and embarrass The Greens and the Government

* The government has been threatening to call a double dissolution election if it can’t get the ABCC bill through the Upper House BUT the Coalition wants to get Senate voting reforms through first to make it more difficult for crossbenchers to be re-elected

* Labor and some crossbenchers are angry because the Greens are supporting the Senate voting changes, ensuring the bills will pass and clearing the path for the government to use ABCC as a trigger

* Crossbenchers interrupted debate when the Senate started today, pushing for a series of bills to be listed for debate including the ABCC legislation, gay-marriage legislation.

* The government and The Greens voted together against Labor and most crossbenchers

* The Government therefore voted against "bringing on" for debate on the ABCC bill that it wants to have up its sleeve for a double dissolution trigger

* The Greens therefore voted against "bringing on" debate on its own bill to legalise same-sex marriage

* Labor and the crossbenchers argue, in particular, that the government's decision to stymie debate on the ABCC bill weakens its case for a double dissolution election

Most of this is pointless since everyone knows a DD would be disastrous for the government anyway, so the only thing I can take from this is how gormless the ALP are.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Zenithe posted:

Wait what?

What happened according to something that isn't I'm assuming textbook propaganda.

From what I can gather the ALP sticky taped the Greens same sex marriage bill to the senate reforms so The Greens voted against it due it it being politically opportunistic, now the media is running articles about how The Greens are politically opportunistic for turning down their own same sex marriage bill, delaying senate reforms and causing a media circus.

turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011

Zenithe posted:

Wait what?

What happened according to something that isn't I'm assuming textbook propaganda.

Labor and the crossbenchers are reintroducing Greens bills in an attempt to delay senate reform. They're making the Greens vote against their own policies which they are tacking onto other legislation. If senate reform isn't passed this sitting there is a very real chance it'll be abandoned as its not really in the liberal interest to pass it (but they're arrogant and dumb). The Greens simply moved to vote on marriage equality Thursday but of course labor is just blatantly lying again saying they voted against it.

Urcher
Jun 16, 2006


Zenithe posted:

Wait what?

What happened according to something that isn't I'm assuming textbook propaganda.

Labor and the cross bench tried to use the Greens same sex marriage bill as a delay tactic to stop the Senate voting changes being passed. The Greens voted no so that a bill they support with an actual chance of passing could be debated instead.

There is a great effort post quoted several times in the last few pages with more details.

Edit: so very, very beaten

Shunkymonky
Sep 10, 2006
'sup

turdbucket posted:

I'm exhausting my preferences before labor at every opportunity I am given from now on. Thank god for senate reform, wish we had optimal above the line like in NSW so I don't have to preference Albo at all. Have had absolutely enough of their garbage after the latest round of crocodile tears.

Unless they do something else horrible between then and now I probably won't go that far, but if the reforms pass I'll definitely be leaving Sam Dastyari off my BTL top 12. As he is a toilet.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
the only morally correct choice for today's leftist voter is to draw a hammer and sickle penis on the ballot paper

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Ultimately it makes Penny Wong and Albanese seem more like political hacks than the progressives I previously saw them which is a shame because I'd of originally hoped more people would be as level headed but apparently not.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Negligent posted:

the only morally correct choice for today's leftist voter is to draw a hammer and sickle penis on the ballot paper

What if you're a womyn?

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Jumpingmanjim posted:

What if you're a womyn?

two penises

turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011

Anidav posted:

Ultimately it makes Penny Wong and Albanese seem more like political hacks than the progressives I previously saw them which is a shame because I'd of originally hoped more people would be as level headed but apparently not.

Yeah I've lost all respect I apparently wrongly had for Doug Cameron over the past few months. I might let my vote go to Jenny McAllister as she seems alright but the rest of the supposed labor left are a pack of stupol level hacks.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

I know Albanese has turned into a giant walking turd (I think I'm just outside of his zone to vote his fatass out) but what has Penny Wong done? I thought she was ok?

So are there any other good parties/people out there?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Well Penny Wong has started doing what Albo is doing and just flailing poo poo at the Greens for no apparent reason.

eg. Her most recent social media image.



This recent series of events just shows the subtle difference between a "progressive" and a progressive. It's fairly interesting, if I were a political science major, an essay on the ALP becoming a wolf in sheep's clothing act is a nice topic to write and read about. It's amazing how much they highlight the fact that they are progressives in name only so close to an election whereby they need to get a high amount of Green preferences to have a shot and it's increasingly likely that the NXT will be the next PUP in the 2016 election with their interest, hype and primary vote steadily climbing in all the recent ahem polls I've seen. Realistically the NXT preferences would be a real wildcard if the polls start hitting 50-50 again so the ALP should really just focus on the Coalition because the Senate voting reforms would likely stop a handful of NXT senators from rolling in.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

turdbucket posted:

I'm exhausting my preferences before labor at every opportunity I am given from now on. Thank god for senate reform, wish we had optimal above the line like in NSW so I don't have to preference Albo at all. Have had absolutely enough of their garbage after the latest round of crocodile tears.

It's still worth preferencing the ALP, because exhausting your vote just means that someone who might have voted for someone worse's vote is now worth more.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Anidav posted:

International students have been offered casual employment at just $50 per day, well less than half the Australian minimum wage, to campaign on behalf of a Liberal National Party councillor in the lead-up to Saturday's poll.

Workers manning prepoll booths for Macgregor councillor Steven Huang's campaign have been paid $50 a day for what was advertised as eight hours' casual work.

A post seeking workers for the LNP campaign was sent to members of UQ Focus, a group for Christian international students at the University of Queensland with a high proportion of Chinese-speaking members.

Written in Mandarin and independently translated by Fairfax Media, the message clearly set out it would be a "casual job" and outlined the pay conditions.

"Casual job assisting councillor distribute Monday to Friday until the 19th [of March], 9-5pm, $50 per day. Contact if interested," the recruiter's message read.

Fairfax Media has also seen text messages sent from Cr Huang's phone, also in Mandarin, between him and a campaign worker.

Campaign worker: "Hey brother, I couldn't get [name removed] she is not picking up the calls. Is [name removed] going to this place on Monday?"

Cr Huang: "Yes, thank you."

The campaign worker then sent the address of a pre-poll location in Macgregor.

Cr Huang: "Yes."

Campaign worker: "This Friday I pay him $50 per day right?"

Cr Huang: "Yes."

The Australian minimum wage, as set by the Fair Work Commission, is $17.29 per hour, with a 25 per cent casual loading.

That meant workers should be paid a minimum of $172.90 for a full eight-hour day's work.

However, in practice, most election campaign workers were volunteers and provided their time free of charge, because they believed in the cause.

Unions and other vested interests have been known to provide paid staff to political campaigns, the unions primarily to the Labor Party.

Comment was sought from Cr Huang, who did not return Fairfax Media's calls.

However, an LNP campaign spokeswoman denied the councillor's involvement.

"This is not Cr Huang's advertisement and is not endorsed by Team Quirk," she said.

"Cr Huang is not offering any payments for electioneering."

Labor lord mayoral candidate Rod Harding's campaign declined an offer to comment.

Cr Huang faces two challengers in his bid to retain Macgregor – Labor's Tom Huang (no relation) and the Greens' Patsy O'Brien.

Taiwan-born Cr Huang was appointed to the council in 2011, when Macgregor was vacated by then-deputy mayor Graham Quirk.

Cr Quirk was appointed lord mayor after Campbell Newman resigned to pursue his short-lived state political career, which saw him become premier but lose government within a single term.

Anidav you should take this job offer, it sounds better than what you're doing now.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
Everyone is saying Greens "voted No" to marriage equality, which is confusing the issue. Instead, what they actually said was "we're voting for that on Thursday, not today"

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sick of Applebees
Nov 7, 2008
Who the gently caress is NXT?

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