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CelestialScribe posted:You guys shouldn't be so arrogant that Hillary will defeat Trump in a general election. He could easily win. Not easily. People talk about Trump as if he's this powerful campaigning juggernaut just because they can't believe he's actually winning, but in terms of delegates, total votes, and polls he's actually quite a bit behind where Mitt Romney was last election.
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CelestialScribe posted:You guys shouldn't be so arrogant that Hillary will defeat Trump in a general election. He could easily win. Maybe if California sank into the ocean, followed by the entire north east and midwest.
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CelestialScribe posted:You guys shouldn't be so arrogant that Hillary will defeat Trump in a general election. He could easily win. No he can't easily win. Could there be some chaotic disastrous mess that somehow leads to Trump being president? Anything is technically possible. But it won't be easy. On the other hand Hillary can and most likely will easily win, very possibly in a blowout.
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Freezer posted:I'm just having a hard time picturing Cruz's demographic... the people who hear his speeches and then goes "Yup, that's my guy". With any hope, I won't have to hear any more of that after the primary. My dad believes scientists know evolution is false, it's a deliberate concoction to indoctrinate children into disbelieving God. He opposes Trump because Trump isn't conservative enough. There ya go
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CelestialScribe posted:You guys shouldn't be so arrogant that Hillary will defeat Trump in a general election. He could easily win. I can also win a sizeable amount of money playing the lottery too.
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Mar 16, 2016 10:21
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It's good not to get complacent whoever is the Republican candidate, but there's no reason to Arzy it up.
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CelestialScribe posted:You guys shouldn't be so arrogant that Hillary will defeat Trump in a general election. He could easily win. How, every inbred in the country takes a break from watching Storage Wars and registers to vote?
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Mar 16, 2016 10:23
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CelestialScribe posted:You guys shouldn't be so arrogant that Hillary will defeat Trump in a general election. He could easily win. He could win insofar as it's not a literal physical impossibility that he might do so, but "easily" is not a qualifier I would apply to Trump's chances.
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Mar 16, 2016 10:40
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Kilroy posted:People deserve immortal lives free of scarcity, but they probably shouldn't expect it, and they definitely shouldn't take deliberate action to prevent it then complain when it doesn't happen. Case in point: http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/when-youre-feeling-low-just-remember-ill-be-dead-i-31008
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SedanChair posted:How, every inbred in the country takes a break from watching Storage Wars and registers to vote? I wouldn't bet against the US being dumb enough to gently caress itself over in a nihilistic urge to watch the world burn out of spite for those whose flesh is still animated by spirit.
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Trump softens the rhetoric. Hillary has a crisis he drags in front of the country. He wins.
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CelestialScribe posted:Trump softens the rhetoric. I feel like this is one of those "Any Day Now" things.
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CelestialScribe posted:Trump softens the rhetoric. Trump could also open a speech by taking a dump on a chair and arguing with it like it was Hillary.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Why would they need to be immortal? If there is one thing that is just and right about the human condition, it is the inevitability of death for all, regardless if they are prince or pauper.
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Kilroy posted:You mean, like defecting to the Democratic party or something? Very unlikely and, at any rate, they can gently caress off. We're full. No, I mean loving off to run their own regional third party, like the original Dixiecrats did. It's the end to their political relevance, since all they could do is ruin the GOP's chances, and that window is already closing. It would help accelerate the move of downmarket whites into irrelevance, which is a net win for everyone else. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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menino posted:Don't know how substantiated this is, but seems like poo poo talking lead to punches outside after the Trump supporters were leaving: I know that Trumps supporters aren't the most congenial or likable people, but holy poo poo it's not ok to loving assault them. Yeah, first amendment rights allow the protesters to voice their opinions on Trump and his politics and supporters, but it sure as hell doesn't allow to assault people for their political opinions. The behavior of the protesters in that description is despicable, both to the Trumpists and to the police, if true. I had assumed that it was Trumps supporters picking fights but from this account it seems it was the other way around. Protester picks fight with Trump fan, Trump fan talks poo poo back, protester starts swinging. If this had been the other way around and Trumps supporters had started bashing heads at a Bernie rally ya'll would have gone insane, but instead you defend this because Trump's an asshat. Guess violence it's only ok when it's your guys doing it! McCloud fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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CelestialScribe posted:Trump softens the rhetoric. The country is so hyper polarized that a crisis won't matter much, especially when you look at the demographics of the country. The US no longer can elect a Republican president until they stop catering to the white male vote. That's why the your kill your parents dreams of a Bernie in the WH doesn't matter; unless the nominee can provide some coattails for legislators to ride on then the politics of the nation is still defined by the laws that can be created.
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CelestialScribe posted:Trump softens the rhetoric. He's literally not capable of doing this.
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SedanChair posted:He's literally not capable of doing this. Yeah. Trump is anti-soft. The most hard. uh, when it comes to his rhetoric, i mean
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rkajdi posted:It was already posted in the rightwing populism and the crazy forwards thread, if not already here. Here's a link, but it's behind a paywall: https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/432569/father-f-hrer You're a horrible human being.
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shrike82 posted:Looks like Obama is announcing his SCOTUS pick today Plot twist: Bernie Sanders Except we need someone with a 50+ year life expectancy until the bench is stacked 6-3 or more.
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shrike82 posted:Looks like Obama is announcing his SCOTUS pick today Might as well just SHRED THE WHOLE CONSTITUTION THEN.
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McCloud posted:I know that Trumps supporters aren't the most congenial or likable people, but holy poo poo it's not ok to loving assault them. Yeah, first amendment rights allow the protesters to voice their opinions on Trump and his politics and supporters, but it sure as hell doesn't allow to assault people for their political opinions. The behavior of the protesters in that description is despicable, both to the Trumpists and to the police, if true. I had assumed that it was Trumps supporters picking fights but from this account it seems it was the other way around. Protester picks fight with Trump fan, Trump fan talks poo poo back, protester starts swinging. If this had been the other way around and Trumps supporters had started bashing heads at a Bernie rally ya'll would have gone insane, but instead you defend this because Trump's an asshat. Guess violence it's only ok when it's your guys doing it! Trumpites are fascists and deserve to get bashed
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:You're a horrible human being. So you'd rather that rural regressives have a voice at the table to poo poo on the rest of us again? If they want to be better people, by all means let them in. But there's no reason to court them by telling them it's okay to be a bunch of racist rural shitkickers. They're going to have to conform to what society is becoming, which involves being okay with hispanics, blacks, LGBT people, jews, muslims, and all the "awful" people living in cities. And basically adopting modernity and giving up fighting a losing fight from over a century ago over it. It's going to involve the destruction of the rural white culture they embrace while replacing it with something more compliant with the way society is now and will be in the future. And if they want to stay in their rural dystopia, fine, but there's no reason to give them special political credence for doing so. The fact that they're now too toxic even for their own party's establishment to tolerate shows exactly how awful they are as a group. I'd be fine with these guys getting better (i.e. accepting they don't get to have a leg up on minorities) but when given the chance their they would rather overturn the apple cart by going with Trump (and to a much lesser extent Sanders) than share it with everyone else.
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"Trumpites" includes a set of people who are our actual welfare sinks of rundown semi-rural America that needs to be elevated to join the rest of the world in education, opportunity, and quality of life.....somehow. Unrelated: Yaaaaaay Kasich/Romney winning Ohio.
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rkajdi posted:So you'd rather that rural regressives have a voice at the table to poo poo on the rest of us again? If they want to be better people, by all means let them in. But there's no reason to court them by telling them it's okay to be a bunch of racist rural shitkickers. They're going to have to conform to what society is becoming, which involves being okay with hispanics, blacks, LGBT people, jews, muslims, and all the "awful" people living in cities. And basically adopting modernity and giving up fighting a losing fight from over a century ago over it. It's going to involve the destruction of the rural white culture they embrace while replacing it with something more compliant with the way society is now and will be in the future. There is a discussion about wealth, industry, opportunity, regressive social norms and religion that can be had regarding the Middle East somewhere in here.
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Slate has a new podcast called trumpcast. They are going to finally take trump seriously in it. They plan on looking at what is causing the rise of trump. First episode is pretty good and is a talk with Jamelle Bouie about the racism he is tapping into and now that can be connected to the erosion of white privilege. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...XAfpvA8h789ciQA
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Potato Salad posted:"Trumpites" includes a set of people who are our actual welfare sinks of rundown semi-rural America that needs to be elevated to join the rest of the world in education, opportunity, and quality of life.....somehow. Honestly, the solution is compulsory K-12 education with real national standards and the inability of parents to opt their kids out. Make it a point of destroying the pre-modern thinking of the kid's parents as part of educational indoctrination. Culture is only a generation thick at best, so you can solve the problem in 30 or so years at the worst. I'm not sure anything can be done about the dying small town. They're really economically inefficient, so you should probably try to consolidate communities into larger ones to get better efficiency with services and the like. We need way less people to do our agriculture than we did even a half century ago, so I'd figure the number of required rural people has gone down dramatically.
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Potato Salad posted:There is a discussion about wealth, industry, opportunity, regressive social norms and religion that can be had regarding the Middle East somewhere in here. As much as I'd love to think that bringing a sense of economic equality to small-town America would result in them feeling better about their situation in life and having less reasons to poo poo on the gays/blacks/Mexicans/Muslims/women-in-general, there are way too many nasty bumper stickers on $60,000 trucks around Northern Georgia to make me believe it. Anecdotal evidence at best, but I work in a factory and it still blows my mind to hear people praising Trump in front of their immigrant co-workers. These people still deserve not to starve, they still deserve healthcare and they still deserve a decent education and shot at life. That said, I'm not holding my breath that giving them those things will stop the American Daesh from becoming a possibility.
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Ripoff posted:As much as I'd love to think that bringing a sense of economic equality to small-town America would result in them feeling better about their situation in life and having less reasons to poo poo on the gays/blacks/Mexicans/Muslims/women-in-general, there are way too many nasty bumper stickers on $60,000 trucks around Northern Georgia to make me believe it. Anecdotal evidence at best, but I work in a factory and it still blows my mind to hear people praising Trump in front of their immigrant co-workers. I didn't realize white rural conservatives were chopping off heads now.
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Kilroy posted:President doesn't mean poo poo. It's not like, if Hillary is elected along with a massively Progressive Senate and House, she's just going to veto her own party and stonewall on left-wing causes. The problem is that we're not going to get that in Congress, because the only people who come out to vote in the midterms are bitter old racist shitheads. And it's pretty much the same, though to a slightly lesser extant, during Presidential election years too. Believe it or not a solid Democratic-majority House and Senate is possible to elect this year, if the demographics that support those causes turn out at anywhere near the rate as the ones that don't. This is bullshit because we've seen how Obama used centrist Democrats to play the heel and weaken progressive legislation.
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Erick, son of Erick and others have summoned top conservatives to investigate... A THIRD PARTY RUN AGAINST TRUMP!!! http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/top-conservatives-gather-to-plot-third-party-run-against-trump-220786 quote:Three influential leaders of the conservative movement have summoned other top conservatives for a closed-door meeting Thursday in Washington, D.C., to talk about how to stop Donald Trump and, should he become the Republican nominee, how to run a third-party “true conservative” challenger in the fall.
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Oh boy, a liberal Hindu who got confirmed 97-0 to the federal bench and took his oath on the Bhagavad Gita. The Republicans are going to poo poo bricks.
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rkajdi posted:So you'd rather that rural regressives have a voice at the table to poo poo on the rest of us again? If they want to be better people, by all means let them in. But there's no reason to court them by telling them it's okay to be a bunch of racist rural shitkickers. They're going to have to conform to what society is becoming, which involves being okay with hispanics, blacks, LGBT people, jews, muslims, and all the "awful" people living in cities. And basically adopting modernity and giving up fighting a losing fight from over a century ago over it. It's going to involve the destruction of the rural white culture they embrace while replacing it with something more compliant with the way society is now and will be in the future. Writing off an entire segment of the population and saying we should exclude them from society makes you a horrible person. But I don't expect much from Mr. "Gay men can't be trusted to be sufficiently progressive once they get gay marriage".
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gohmak posted:This is bullshit because we've seen how Obama used centrist Democrats to play the heel and weaken progressive legislation. So, sure, my proposition breaks down in that case, as expected since none of its conditions were met.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Writing off an entire segment of the population and saying we should exclude them from society makes you a horrible person.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I know how glacially slow politics can be, but it's been 8 years since 2008. I feel old as gently caress compared to then. And we're supposed to wait another 4-8 years before the possibility of a new, possibly more progressive candidate for president by then? Right? It's funny, I called my friends who live back in 1996 and I explained that a central focus of the Democratic Primary in TYOOL 2016 was who could best appeal to a widespread protest movement against systematic racism and police brutality. I followed it up by mentioning that a woman was the overwhelming favorite to be president, following two terms of a black president in which we saw the largest expansion of healthcare in 40 years, the legalization of gay marriage, the federal government allowing states to legalize marijuana, and the liberalization of immigration enforcement. Oh, and his presidency happened in large part because voters punished the presumptive nominee for voting to take us to war. They scoffed "center right neo-liberals" and asked me how the elderly New Englander with populist rhetoric who dodged foreign policy in debates when the spotlight was the brightest and only had a vague domestic platform did. I told them he came in second but remained plausible through Super Tuesday. Then it went quiet for a moment and all I heard was: "MORRY TAYLOR" *CLICK*
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