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Raerlynn posted:I don't think that word means what you think it does. Oh yea that's what 'prevent them from participating in the government' historically means. Good call there. "When I said we must keep the influence of the mud races out of the government I simply meant that they should be somehow magically confined to third party, less electable, options. Come on guys."
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Yeah, people seem to be making the assumption, possibly on purpose, that when rkajdi says to deny white racists a voice means to deny them voting rights. That's a pretty massive assumption to make. He probably (hopefully) means not having a political party that supports their horrible views.
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That was the only tweet I have seen about Sri. Multiple sources are calling it for Garland, including Nina Totenberg. We will know in 30 minutes when Obama annouces,but I would bet it's Garland. Edit: https://twitter.com/lawrencehurley/status/710108921000804352 Capt. Sticl fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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An Angry Bug posted:Yeah, people seem to be making the assumption, possibly on purpose, that when rkajdi says to deny white racists a voice means to deny them voting rights. That's a pretty massive assumption to make. He probably (hopefully) means not having a political party that supports their horrible views.
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An Angry Bug posted:Yeah, people seem to be making the assumption, possibly on purpose, that when rkajdi says to deny white racists a voice means to deny them voting rights. That's a pretty massive assumption to make. He probably (hopefully) means not having a political party that supports their horrible views. Well when he also said 'we must take their kids and reeducate them' it's kinda hard to pretend all this 'you know violence is actually ok here' poo poo is just ~in the political sense~
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I think there's a point at which one becomes so immersed in the left vs. right categorization of every issue, person, and event in your life that it becomes pathological. Like a learned mental illness or something.
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An Angry Bug posted:Yeah, people seem to be making the assumption, possibly on purpose, that when rkajdi says to deny white racists a voice means to deny them voting rights. That's a pretty massive assumption to make. He probably (hopefully) means not having a political party that supports their horrible views. Dude also mentioned taking children to reeducate them. Thoughts?
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Well poo poo, I missed that bit. gently caress him then.
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Raerlynn posted:He does have a solid point - how do you deal with people who are fully committed to destroying everything simply because it's not their ways, especially as we're seeing in this election, that they're a vocal minority? Suppressing minorities is in ya'll.
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Happy Stone Cold Steve Austin Day. Let's remember the halcyon days of Trump.
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Proclick read: http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/718871 Seriously can we just get an amendment rolling to give Obama a third term?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Dude also mentioned taking children to reeducate them. Thoughts? Uh, s-see the thing about that is when someone says we need to take children and reeducate them...historically that just means...better funding for public schools! Yea that works! See when you say it like that it's not so bad! Anyway I unironically support violence against entire states because of voting patterns, I'm human garbage who calls himself progressive because he's been taught that's the word for good guys and wants to put no more thought into that!
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I dunno how much of this is true but I think I'm gonna believe in it anyway. https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/710085428272095232
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Well when he also said 'we must take their kids and reeducate them' it's kinda hard to pretend all this 'you know violence is actually ok here' poo poo is just ~in the political sense~ I'll grant you that indoctrination and mandatory education sounds ominous as gently caress, but stay with me here for a moment. Here's the thing about that - a lot of these lovely opinions are because these people were raised in a culture of hate. Their parents, family, community were all complicit in teaching that kind of hatred. Hatred of homosexuality, hatred of Mexicans, hatred of brown people, hatred of government. Many of those people supporting Tea Parties are people who literally have never left their state. They have no concept of the wider world because they've never been exposed to it. I can think of people I know personally who have never traveled more than 150 miles, and even then only for emergency medical care. What I'm getting at is, when your parents, family, church, community, etc are all teaching you hate, teaching you a warped sense of history, then yeah, the outcome is predictable. I am 100% on board with mandatory public schooling with specific standards on teaching history. I feel like that would nip a lot of poo poo in the bud, like the deification of the Confederacy or the sidelining of native Americans or this fascist rise where we deny putting our own citizens in internment camps simply for their lineage. If you want an excellent example of this I want to say there was a story floating out there about one of the daughters of the Phelps clan (Westboro Baptist) who strongly believed in that churchs hatred until they were exposed to the outside world, at which point they realized how terrible it was and left.
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Raerlynn posted:I don't think that word means what you think it does. What?! Nuance!? In MY D&D?! No, clearly trying to stop regressive scum from being able to gently caress over cultural and racial minorities makes you Literally Hitler.
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zoux posted:I dunno how much of this is true but I think I'm gonna believe in it anyway. I guess those measures are things like state houses, U.S. House reps, governorships, etc. in which case I think it's pretty undeniable. The second part is so true that it's rising like Godzilla over D.C.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:you just suck so much dude, you're just spouting so much poo poo without knowing anything about what you're talking about and thinking because you're mad it counts more. What else are we supposed to do, meet them in the middle? So a little bit of racism is okay? Mollify them by giving them an undeserved leg up like they've historically had? The way you solve the problem is provide zero political outlet for their racism, and answer any violence they bring forward with state violence, in the form of punishing crimes against minorities by them and government troops and agents deployed against any actual insurrection attempts. These aren't crazy people ideas, unless you really just want a rural regressive class to continue to fester and cause problems for everyone else who actually wants to live in the 21st century.
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rkajdi posted:So you'd rather that rural regressives have a voice at the table to poo poo on the rest of us again? If they want to be better people, by all means let them in. But there's no reason to court them by telling them it's okay to be a bunch of racist rural shitkickers. They're going to have to conform to what society is becoming, which involves being okay with hispanics, blacks, LGBT people, jews, muslims, and all the "awful" people living in cities. And basically adopting modernity and giving up fighting a losing fight from over a century ago over it. It's going to involve the destruction of the rural white culture they embrace while replacing it with something more compliant with the way society is now and will be in the future. I'd rather they not be pigenholed. I'd rather they be treated like human beings rather then blamed for every ill in America. (The teaparty actually was made up of suburbanites). I'd rather try to win them, and appeal to their better angels of their nature. Instead of of pretending their a bunch of unwashed yokels out of deliverance. I would rather we not abandon a people being crewed by the system.
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weekly font posted:Happy Stone Cold Steve Austin Day. Let's remember the halcyon days of Trump. I can't wait to see wrestling stuff in political ads  This election season is probably going to be real tough to beat.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Proclick read: I remember on his visit to Africa last year that he said he could run and probably win a third term if the Constitution allowed it. At the time, I didn't think that was true, but after this primary season it definitely is.
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rkajdi posted:What else are we supposed to do, meet them in the middle? So a little bit of racism is okay? Mollify them by giving them an undeserved leg up like they've historically had? The way you solve the problem is provide zero political outlet for their racism, and answer any violence they bring forward with state violence, in the form of punishing crimes against minorities by them and government troops and agents deployed against any actual insurrection attempts. Somewhat by definition, the ideas rural regressives have are 21st-century ideas.
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Raerlynn posted:I'll grant you that indoctrination and mandatory education sounds ominous as gently caress, but stay with me here for a moment. Ok but the problem is you do understand that you cannot give this power to a political branch of a government because even if what you're saying is right and good and all that then you're opening it to future abuses, right? rkajdi posted:What else are we supposed to do, meet them in the middle? So a little bit of racism is okay? Mollify them by giving them an undeserved leg up like they've historically had? The way you solve the problem is provide zero political outlet for their racism, and answer any violence they bring forward with state violence, in the form of punishing crimes against minorities by them and government troops and agents deployed against any actual insurrection attempts. You answer them by doing things that people like you always seem to have excuses not to do, by getting active as citizens. You can't give this level of power to the government, you have to have it as a citizen movement or A) it'll only get fought harder than usual in these areas, and B) it'll wind up rife with abuse and poo poo like that as time goes on. This also isn't a crazy person idea, it's, ya know, what actual civil rights movements involve. e: Crowsbeak posted:I'd rather they not be pigenholed. I'd rather they be treated like human beings rather then blamed for every ill in America. (The teaparty actually was made up of suburbanites). I'd rather try to win them, and appeal to their better angels of their nature. Instead of of pretending their a bunch of unwashed yokels out of deliverance. I would rather we not abandon a people being crewed by the system. Oh yea also this too. In general gently caress your classist bullshit blaming all our ills on the filthy poors, it was sheltered suburban babymen like you that made up most of these groups, I guess you'd be ok taking some blows for the revolution yourself?
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fknlo posted:I can't wait to see wrestling stuff in political ads Yeah until now he's faced opponents who couldn't go after his issues. The general electorate isn't as favorable to things like insane two thousand mile long walls and religious tests for admission into the country.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I remember on his visit to Africa last year that he said he could run and probably win a third term if the Constitution allowed it. At the time, I didn't think that was true, but after this primary season it definitely is. Would Sanders supporters be more or less likely to vote for Obama instead of Clinton?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Would Sanders supporters be more or less likely to vote for Obama instead of Clinton? Sanders supporters probably wouldn't vote for Obama either. But Sanders supporters can't be arsed to get out and vote for Sanders himself, so...
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Crowsbeak posted:I'd rather they not be pigenholed. I'd rather they be treated like human beings rather then blamed for every ill in America. (The teaparty actually was made up of suburbanites). I'd rather try to win them, and appeal to their better angels of their nature. Instead of of pretending their a bunch of unwashed yokels out of deliverance. I would rather we not abandon a people being crewed by the system. Except you're dealing with a populace who will resist that because that IS what their little angel tells them is right. I'm all for benefit of the doubt, but there's a saying about how once is an accident, twice is coincidence, thrice is act of the enemy. When do you say enough? How many chances do you give to people who revel in hurting others? Who revel in hatred? Who take pride in it and wear it like a badge of honor? You can't shame these people without a concerted effort, and even then that often gets interpreted as oppression.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Would Sanders supporters be more or less likely to vote for Obama instead of Clinton?
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Zeroisanumber posted:Sanders supporters probably wouldn't vote for Obama either. But Sanders supporters can't be arsed to get out and vote for Sanders himself, so... They turned out the youth vote like a motherfucker but he loses every other demographic and you just can't out turnout old people. FWIW I think most Sanders people who would've voted Democrat otherwise are going to come around. The libertarians and populists would've have voted D anyway.
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I'd happily teach the poor brainwashed children of the evangelical population proper history and science, and to think critically about personally held beliefs. If this makes me a monster, so be it. Crowsbeak posted:I'd rather they not be pigenholed. I'd rather they be treated like human beings rather then blamed for every ill in America. (The teaparty actually was made up of suburbanites). I'd rather try to win them, and appeal to their better angels of their nature. Instead of of pretending their a bunch of unwashed yokels out of deliverance. I would rather we not abandon a people being crewed by the system. Even though they're screwed by the system, they actively choose to be bastards to anyone not like themselves. Do not remove their agency and free will in a naive attempt to paint them as the victim.
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Mr. Wookums posted:Trump Polls have shown that a very small percentage of Bernie supporters would go Trump. Don't listen to the awful Bernie Bros.
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Raerlynn posted:Except you're dealing with a populace who will resist that because that IS what their little angel tells them is right. I'm all for benefit of the doubt, but there's a saying about how once is an accident, twice is coincidence, thrice is act of the enemy. Maybe stop pigenholing people living in small towns for one. You guys do know that when you don't even try to appeal to them. (Which is more the Clinton, and Dukakis types faults). They tend to not vote right? Hell the don't even make up the majority of the GOP base thats suburbanites. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Raerlynn posted:Except you're dealing with a populace who will resist that because that IS what their little angel tells them is right. I'm all for benefit of the doubt, but there's a saying about how once is an accident, twice is coincidence, thrice is act of the enemy. They get literally as many chances as the rest of us do, that's the loving point of democracy. You are allowed to be wrong, you are allowed to be a terrible person, you are allowed to support regressive poo poo. If you win in these areas supporting those regressive things then the progressive factions in your area have to face the reality that this was a failure on their part rather than a case of wrongthink that must be beaten down.
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spacetoaster posted:The Native Americans would like a word with you about that. No we don't.
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Oh thanks Freep thread, you actually helped me. Does it help some of you if I say this is exactly who you sound like http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-whites-have-moral-responsibilities-defense-kevin-williamson quote:It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Drumpf has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t. The white middle class may like the idea of Drumpf as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Drumpf the destroyer and whisper darkly about “globalists” and — odious, stupid term — “the Establishment,” but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves. If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that. Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down. The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Drumpf’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul.
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deadly_pudding posted:This SCOTUS thing has made me plum run out of rage-steam Five.
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