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We've also heard they absolutely do have some distinct personality types and I'm guessing slightly unique reasons for being "fallen" that effect how they function. One empire might be fallen because they achieved such a ridiculous post-singularity Culture type society that they are way too busy having 8th dimensional personality-hybrid sex deep within their planetary supercomputers to care about the outside world anymore, their whole empire running on automation while they lay around like addicts in an opium den. They are interested in any pleasure related technology you might have but for the most part are not of the right mind to even deal with the outside world, but cutting them off from their VR addiction might eventually send them into a rage, if they survive the withdraw effects. Another empire may be more like a caricature of ancient china. They spent so long as the top dog superpower surrounded by lesser primitives that have surely achieved the acme of technology and culture. They may trade and interact with the outside world from time to time but feel so utterly superior they have become stagnant in every respect. Only a humiliating loss to outsiders could possibly snap them into developing once again. This empire could make a tempting mid to late game target, but once woken up could become a major galactic power. Other empires could have simply suffered decay in every sense. Something like the Empire of Man from 40k. Once a powerful technological empire, they've become stangnant due to extreme, most likely religious based, dogmatism and forgotten the basic scientific method, instead viewing their ancient technology as essentially magic. They are not interested in any interaction with aliens, other than a desire to purge them all. Another fallen empire may not be actually fallen, just so hyper advanced they don't really need to interact with the universe much anymore. Perhaps they actually see them selves as positive forces in the universe and attempt to help oppressed races or races with the correct ideology by slipping them tech and protection here and there. Perhaps there's an evil "shadow" version of this empire doing the same, but nurturing races of their chosen opposing ideology. Taking aid from either is tempting, but always comes at some sort of price down the road... I'm quite looking forward to fallen empire, specially what they could do with them in DLC.
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I hope it's possible for fallen empires to have civil wars and things too, not just operating with an "awake/dormant" switch. So there could be a peaceful fallen empire that descends into civil war between a faction that wants to remain peaceful and stagnant and another that wants to be aggressive and active in galactic politics. And you can either watch from the outside or try and support one of the sides. If the stagnant side wins, it remains a fallen empire; if the aggressive side wins, it switches over to a proper one that behaves like the rest, with a new diplomatic personality. In fact, I wonder if it's possible for diplomatic personalities to change throughout the game, or if AI Empire X will always be Pacifist Xenophiles with no chance of their government ever changing to being run by Militarist Xenophobes instead. For that matter, do we even know if it's possible to change government types during the course of a game? Or are you forever stuck with the one you picked at the beginning?
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We know pops ethos can drift, and we know governors and such can rebel and break off. What we don't know is what happens when your home-system loyalist pops ethos drift, or if you can steer them one way or another your self, or some how trigger a coup and then "play as".
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I'd love to see A Post-Diaspora DLC/start condition where you have a bunch of Earth nations that fled a dying/destroyed earth and got separated ala Freelancer. So you come across the Germans, British, Russians, Serbians, Chinese, etc. Have a few different potential start conditions and you could have a whole host of possibilities. The Canadians never found a planet and are a horde of nomadic spacers, French developed and were destroyed by an AI that now commands a fleet of automated tomb planets, Serbians founded a great empire that was subjugated by nearby alien empires and now yearns for liberation, etc.
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Randarkman posted:You're probably right about most of this, don't know too much about the Waffen-SS except the fact that alot of their units established later in the war got alot of the good stuff and that it it also contained a bunch of forcibly conscripted eastern Europeans who were not well trained, led or equipped. But, the entire German army used modified WW1 rifles, the Mauser rifle is from 1898/99 and in WW2 they used a version of that with a shorter barrel. No they didn't, that's the point. The Karabiner 98k designed in 1934 was the main service rifle for the main German armed forces throughout WW2. The SS had to do with a Gewehr 98, a WW1 rifle designed in 1898, specifically because the army kept as much good poo poo for themselves as they could and so the SS had to make do with having their old G98s modified to be as similar to the K98ks as possible.
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Baronjutter posted:We've also heard they absolutely do have some distinct personality types and I'm guessing slightly unique reasons for being "fallen" that effect how they function. quote:Currently, only Xenophile/Xenophobe Materialist/Spiritualist are valid FE traits. More may be added.
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Space nomads or a primarily off-planet empire is something I'd like to see at some point as an option..
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Baronjutter posted:We know pops ethos can drift, and we know governors and such can rebel and break off. What we don't know is what happens when your home-system loyalist pops ethos drift, or if you can steer them one way or another your self, or some how trigger a coup and then "play as". Maybe it would be somehow like changing primary culture in EU4? Your empire's ethics will stay the same unless changed, but if the majority of your POPs (or at least the POPs on your directly governed worlds) ethics have drifted away from this then you can say spend some influence (which seems to be a general limiting factor in Stellaris for a lot of things) to change your ethics to more closely resemble your POPs and their factions, say you have to adopt the ethics of the most popular faction or something.
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Man Stellaris wasn't even on my radar until watching that video (and I also figured it wasn't coming out soon). I am so hyped for this. It will be interesting to see what the game is like in say 2 or 3 years. How many features we loved or thought would gone or totally revamped. With a Paradox game..well EU and CK it's fun to occasionally drop back a version or two and see how things used to play. I remember being miffed when CK II lost the assassination button in diplomacy....but man it got replaced with so many better options and depth. It was mentioned by a poster earlier about the potential DLC changes that could occur. I'm just very interested in the eventual evolution of the game over the next few years. I also look forward to the Death Star DLC being mentioned.
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I think it's time y'all make a stellaris thread.
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cool and good posted:I think it's time y'all make a stellaris thread. Nah if anything it's time for a hearts of iron thread.
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I'd be happy to put together a Stellaris thread, I think there's enough talk and hype about it that any time I hear a mention of nazi poo poo in the thread it feels out of place.
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Time to start thinking of a reason to take off D-day from work. Hmm...
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Space nomads or a primarily off-planet empire is something I'd like to see at some point as an option.. Massive Zentradi/Meltrandi fleet dropping by to nuke the gently caress out of your planet(s) out of the blue  They (space nomad type civs) could either be stagnant (sorta like the Golden Horde etc in EUIV) or advance just like any other faction type. Pretty exciting (and terrifying).
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Baronjutter posted:I'd be happy to put together a Stellaris thread, I think there's enough talk and hype about it that any time I hear a mention of nazi poo poo in the thread it feels out of place. Not sure there's quite enough to talk about until closer to release, honestly.
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Fintilgin posted:Not sure there's quite enough to talk about until closer to release, honestly. It doesn't have to be a high traffic thread. It might be a good idea to delink the huge bursts of activity that you get whenever Stellaris makes a blip on the radar versus the usual slow pace of this thread. A separate thread will also draw in people who don't care for Paradox games enough to either know about Stellaris or follow this thread closely too.
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Well I've got a whole OP for a Stellaris thread typed up and ready to go once some sort of authority figure gives me the blessing.
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YF-23 posted:It doesn't have to be a high traffic thread. It might be a good idea to delink the huge bursts of activity that you get whenever Stellaris makes a blip on the radar versus the usual slow pace of this thread. A separate thread will also draw in people who don't care for Paradox games enough to either know about Stellaris or follow this thread closely too.
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Post in dat rear end, Larry.
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Baronjutter posted:Well I've got a whole OP for a Stellaris thread typed up and ready to go once some sort of authority figure gives me the blessing. 
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I'd appreciate a dedicated Stellaris thread! Paradox is starting to stream things about the game now, so it would be nice to have a spot to discuss upcoming events and all of that. Today, at 20:00 CET they are doing something called "The Rise of the Blorg Commonality: #1 Space Friends!"
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I've never made an OP before in a games thread please be gentle STELLARIS THREAD?! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3768778
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Baronjutter posted:I've never made an OP before in a games thread please be gentle 
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https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive Stellaris - Extraterrestrial Thursday - Thursday 20:00 CET ParadoxInteractive playing Stellaris
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Trogdos! posted:https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive Wow the create a empire UI has changed since the videos that came out at GDC.
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Trogdos! posted:https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive I love how much they're trolling the audience through this species creation right now.
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Tuskin38 posted:Wow the create a empire UI has changed since the videos that came out at GDC.
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LordMune posted:You're thinking of the PCGamer stuff, happened way before GDC. But there was an embargo. It was different in Quill's video too. Unless that was from the same press thing. Edit: Ah it was from January
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Tuskin38 posted:It was different in Quill's video too. Unless that was from the same press thing. Quill's video was filmed in January.
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Omnicarus posted:I'd love to see A Post-Diaspora DLC/start condition where you have a bunch of Earth nations that fled a dying/destroyed earth and got separated ala Freelancer. So you come across the Germans, British, Russians, Serbians, Chinese, etc. Have a few different potential start conditions and you could have a whole host of possibilities. The Canadians never found a planet and are a horde of nomadic spacers, French developed and were destroyed by an AI that now commands a fleet of automated tomb planets, Serbians founded a great empire that was subjugated by nearby alien empires and now yearns for liberation, etc. This is too great of an idea not to become a mod.
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Omnicarus posted:The Canadians never found a planet and are a horde of nomadic spacers As a Canadian I would approve of that.
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Trogdos! posted:https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive Who are those two people?
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SeaTard posted:Who are those two people? Wiz, who started off modding Paradox games and now works for them, doing AI on Stellaris currently. And cKnoor, goon LPer and now ?. Not sure on him.
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SeaTard posted:Who are those two people?
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hail, blorg.
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Wiz posted:cKnoor is our streaming producer sausage stream producer?
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double nine posted:sausage stream producer? Only the wurst are good enough.
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cKnoor posted:Only the wurst are good enough. Why did you ever stop doing LPs?  Growing up and having a job is hardly an excuse...And since HOI4 still isn't important enough for it's own thread I guess we can leave today's dev diary about nukes here. They do pretty much what you'd expect them to do. I wonder if you get more newspaper headlines for each successive bomb? Each one 'hoping this will be the last' as your enemies are driven before by a wave of atomic fire.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Why did you ever stop doing LPs? nah, but there are lots of specific events for certain cities
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