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Keetron posted:Explicit part of my pledge is obedience to the laws of the land, the laws of the GL and those of my own lodge, in that order. I guess I misspoke. I was referring to the scuttlebutt and rumored threats from the grand master, not obedience to the laws of the grand lodge. I just have issues with tyranny and duties to obey a person. It's masonry, not infantry.
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The Grand Lodge of Washington is aware of the events regarding the Grand Lodges of Georgia and Tennessee, and is extremely concerned. They will be issuing an emergency statement in 8 days regarding the matter at hand. Sayeth the District 2 Deputy of the Grand Lodge of Washington, F&AM.
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Mar 18, 2016 06:26
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Kilo147 posted:They will be issuing an emergency statement in 8 days Just a reminder that nothing moves quickly on Masonry.
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Mar 18, 2016 12:04
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Colonial Air Force posted:Just a reminder that nothing moves quickly on Masonry. Aint that the truth.
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Mar 18, 2016 16:23
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I haven't been to the temple in 6 months. I was having trouble memorizing the EA degree, which this year they started requiring us to memorize in full, and I was getting no help from the active brethren. They'd just leave me in a library while they did prep for other rituals upstairs. This group never seems to do anything BUT ritual prep. There are no brotherhood activities, and I don't see why I should have to organize them when they haven't even contacted me to see what's up or what my trouble is. I don't know about demitting, but I don't think I'm going to keep up on dues. Maybe someday I'll get more active with a more supportive group but as it stands, I'm out.
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Mar 18, 2016 16:41
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Beerdeer posted:I haven't been to the temple in 6 months. I was having trouble memorizing the EA degree, which this year they started requiring us to memorize in full, and I was getting no help from the active brethren. They'd just leave me in a library while they did prep for other rituals upstairs. I'm sorry to hear that, brother! Even during this busy period for us, the brethren at my lodge took time to work on my catechism at least once a week... Are you required to learn it all mouth-to-ear?
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Mar 18, 2016 16:46
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Beerdeer posted:I haven't been to the temple in 6 months. I was having trouble memorizing the EA degree, which this year they started requiring us to memorize in full, and I was getting no help from the active brethren. They'd just leave me in a library while they did prep for other rituals upstairs. Have you considered speaking with your proposer or any other brother that you get along with / trust in the lodge? Failing that, what about other lodges nearby? One of them might be better suited to your needs. Then again, a little shock of 'I feel a bit left out, could you guys actually give me a hand and y'know, be there to help please?' might prompt them back into shape.
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Mar 18, 2016 16:46
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Beerdeer posted:I haven't been to the temple in 6 months. I was having trouble memorizing the EA degree, which this year they started requiring us to memorize in full, and I was getting no help from the active brethren. They'd just leave me in a library while they did prep for other rituals upstairs. Hey that super sucks and I'm sorry to hear that. But if you are going to drop out, you should do it the right way and demit.
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Mar 18, 2016 16:47
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Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:I'm sorry to hear that, brother! Even during this busy period for us, the brethren at my lodge took time to work on my catechism at least once a week... Luckily I have a catechism. But I take it down every couple of weeks and then wonder why bother.
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That's an odd way to do things in my opinion. In our jurisdiction (NC), there is NO written reference at all until after you're made a Master Mason, and even then it's all in code. You can't learn the catechism UNLESS there's another brother helping you learn it. I feel like that instills more of a sense of fraternity than "here take this book and come back to us when you've learned it." Yikes.
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Mar 18, 2016 17:15
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In CA (and I think in I've seen it here in NH), we had print outs of the catechism in code for the degree we just went through, and I sat with the secretary once a week going over the whole thing until I knew it. We were also fortunate in that we did not have to pay dues until we were raised to Master. Beerdeer, I would genuinely bring up your concerns to an officer within the lodge. Be polite, but be firm and direct. Also, what state are you in? There might be a Brother in this very thread who could help you, even over the phone.
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Mar 18, 2016 17:36
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I'm also here in CA but hate giving any of my candidates the written work until they have a very, very firm handle on it from mouth to ear. Maybe I'm just a grumpy Past Master but I never want anyone to think Masonry can be taught from a book. I think the process of sitting down and working with your coach, asking questions and learning about their experiences, is more valuable than the actual work itself. Obviously the words aren't the secret of Masonry, but still
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Mar 19, 2016 05:15
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I had a coded book after every degree in Alaska, coded. Still took personal assistance because you need help learning it even well enough to read the thing.
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Mar 21, 2016 09:35
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In Maryland, we also have little coded books (shorthand, really, it's not terribly hard to decipher) with some of the more sensitive information left blank or reduced to the first letter of each word, so personal instruction is still necessary. I find it helps me a lot, as I find it hard to memorize anything if I don't have access to some resources. The mouth to ear lessons ensure I'm learning it word perfect, too. It works for us.
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Mar 21, 2016 14:38
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I have all my grandfather's masonic stuff; uniform, sash, medals, books and all that. Are there secret illuminati mason hit squads coming after me now to preserve your secrets?
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Mar 22, 2016 01:35
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Waffleoppalus posted:I have all my grandfather's masonic stuff; uniform, sash, medals, books and all that. Are there secret illuminati mason hit squads coming after me now to preserve your secrets? Y.... No.
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Mar 22, 2016 02:29
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Waffleoppalus posted:I have all my grandfather's masonic stuff; uniform, sash, medals, books and all that. Are there secret illuminati mason hit squads coming after me now to preserve your secrets? Best case scenario, his original lodge may want some of it for the archives or to be buried or whatever. Worst case scenario, we sneak multiple hungry goats into your house while you are at work and leave them to eat everything. Unless you plan on joining, we really don't care about the books, our greatest secret is when cigar and whiskey fellowship night is, though if they are old enough his original lodge may be again be interested. Historical documents and all that. We are wayyyy into our own history. Personally, and depending on how much you liked your grandfather, I'd frame all of that and have a cool display.Unless you're considering becoming a mason, in which case, wear that poo poo as soon as you can. Be baller as gently caress at meetings.
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Mar 22, 2016 02:36
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Kilo147 posted:Best case scenario, his original lodge may want some of it for the archives or to be buried or whatever. Worst case scenario, we sneak multiple hungry goats into your house while you are at work and leave them to eat everything. Unless you plan on joining, we really don't care about the books, our greatest secret is when cigar and whiskey fellowship night is, though if they are old enough his original lodge may be again be interested. Historical documents and all that. We are wayyyy into our own history. Well poo poo, I hate goats. The oldest date I can see on anything is 1962, which is kinda old to me, but maybe not so much to an organization that goes back to the medieval ages? It's pretty much all I have from my grandfather so I think I'll hang on to it. Plus it does in fact look baller as gently caress
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Mar 22, 2016 04:35
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Kilo147 posted:Be baller as gently caress at meetings.
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Mar 22, 2016 08:56
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Waffleoppalus posted:Well poo poo, I hate goats. The oldest date I can see on anything is 1962, which is kinda old to me, but maybe not so much to an organization that goes back to the medieval ages? It's pretty much all I have from my grandfather so I think I'll hang on to it. Ahahahahahaha, medieval ages..
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Mar 22, 2016 18:56
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Kilo147 posted:Ahahahahahaha, medieval ages.. Knights Templar were founded in the medieval ages 
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COOL CORN posted:Knights Templar were founded in the medieval ages Yeah, a lot of our ceremony and language come from that time, and even earlier, but the modern Masonic lodge and practices didn't really come about til what, the 1600s or 1700s?
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Kilo147 posted:Yeah, a lot of our ceremony and language come from that time, and even earlier, but the modern Masonic lodge and practices didn't really come about til what, the 1600s or 1700s? Earliest landmarks are from the 1490s if I recall correctly, maybe 1530s or so. But "Modern" Speculative Freemasonry is an Enlightenment era thing, late 1700s. Lodges exist long before that though which were both operative and speculative. Tracking an exact date for our fraternity is impossible, because "time immemorial" means basically "nobody remembers the time."
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We can trace it to the early 18th Century, and based on what came from that era, it's likely that it started in the late 17th Century. There are some outliers, like the Regius Poem (assuming it's actually Masonic), and an operative lodge that started in 1598 and later became speculative, but basically that's it.
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Technically the UGLE was founded in 1717, so there's that.
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I've always been vaguely curious about freemasons and such-- my grandfather was a mason, something I only found out after he died. He had a small apron on a stand at his funeral, and some other accoutrements that I can't recall. As far as I know, my father (his son) never joined, although I've not brought it up to him. Since before I was born, he lived on Cape Cod away from our family, and we'd visit now and again-- we were never particularly close. I'd reckon that there wouldn't be any way to get information about what he did from the lodge, would there?
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Teddybear posted:I've always been vaguely curious about freemasons and such-- my grandfather was a mason, something I only found out after he died. He had a small apron on a stand at his funeral, and some other accoutrements that I can't recall. As far as I know, my father (his son) never joined, although I've not brought it up to him. Call the Lodge if you can, you'll want to contact the secretary. They will be thrilled to talk to you, especially if his passing was recent and they knew him.
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Paramemetic posted:Call the Lodge if you can, you'll want to contact the secretary. They will be thrilled to talk to you, especially if his passing was recent and they knew him. It wasn't, it was several years ago. I had my memory jogged in a dumb way and remembered that I never really figured out what was up with that side of him.
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Teddybear posted:It wasn't, it was several years ago. I had my memory jogged in a dumb way and remembered that I never really figured out what was up with that side of him. I'm almost certain they'd still be happy to talk to you.
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Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:I'm almost certain they'd still be happy to talk to you. Seriously, we loving love talking to people. You can't really be a Mason without being a people person.
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I might do that, then. Probably after I ask my dad if he knows more about it. I doubt he's a member; y'all ain't THAT secret. ... Y'all ain't that secret, right? 
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Teddybear posted:I might do that, then. Probably after I ask my dad if he knows more about it. I doubt he's a member; y'all ain't THAT secret. We usually have some sort of sign out in front. If you can't find us, you aren't trying. Also, if you find your Grandfather's lodge is local, find out when out stated meetings are and join us for dinner! We'll feed you, tell you stories, answer questions, and did I mention food? Edit: Actually, if you ever want, just let someone at the lodge know ahead of time, feel free to stop by before a meeting and have dinner with us. We usually cook too much anyway and it's not like a lodge keeps a supply of carry out styrofoam containers or anything. Kilo147 fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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You mentioned Cape Cod... try here: http://www.massfreemasonry.org/index.tpl?&ng_view=34 That'll help you maybe find his local lodge so you can contact the Lodge Secretary, or if you can't find his local lodge, reach out to the Grand Secretary! If there's one things Masons do well, it's keep records. ===== In personal news, I was just appointed District Inspector Instructor of the Knights Templar for this year. It's pretty neat that I get to be the guy who tells everybody they're doing things wrong.  And I'm the only guy in about a 100 mile radius that gets to wear one of these on my uniform!
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Massachusetts just replied to Georgia and Tennessee. http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=4103fb81b8a6f015cc0f0a507&id=5cffe1f6f4
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Mar 26, 2016 00:46
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Kilo147 posted:Massachusetts just replied to Georgia and Tennessee. A little tepid, but at least it's a statement.
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Colonial Air Force posted:A little tepid, but at least it's a statement. I dunno, this part just screams to me as a super polite gently caress you Grand Lodge of Massachusetts posted:It is of no concern to us whether or not a man is gay, as long as he is free born, of lawful age, and well recommended.
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Mar 26, 2016 01:51
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What does free born mean
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ICHIBAHN posted:What does free born mean Not born in to slavery. Not terribly applicable anymore. The thought was that a slave could be compelled to report the secrets of Freemasonry to his master.
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Also used in a more broad sense nowadays. As in, not born into a government that would compel you to reveal the secrets of Masonry.
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Why the antiquated language, in this case and generally?
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