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King of Bleh posted:The problem with the arkadia plot this season is that it's made plenty of conceptual sense, but all the critical emotional beats have either been classic "told and not shown" blunders (farm station's background, the election, the massacre of the peaceful grounders), or handled extremely ham-handedly (the mount weather bombing). There's no basis for audience buy-in, it's like being given the cliff notes of a plot and maybe one chapter in the middle. I wouldn't be surprised if they unironically thought Clarke mass murdering another group of people at the end of the season was actually a great, legitimate idea and not just a joke. I guess she passed the ball to Farm Station, but maybe it'll come back to her before all is said and done.
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The Iron Rose posted:oh my god shut up already this has nothing to do with anything Its actually quite relevant. While Clarke, Kane, Abby and a few others are able to make a distinction between grounder clans, I doubt very much that most Arkers came make the difference. To them, a grounder is a grounder is a grounder. Especially to Pike, clans are irrelevent. For most of Arkadia, grounders is a blanket statement.
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Dalael posted:Its actually quite relevant. While Clarke, Kane, Abby and a few others are able to make a distinction between grounder clans, I doubt very much that most Arkers came make the difference. To them, a grounder is a grounder is a grounder. Especially to Pike, clans are irrelevent. The difference, of course, to arkadia a grounder is a grounder is a grounder. The entirety of their experience with grounders has been Lincoln. On the other hand, Trikru abandoned them to die at Mt Weather, the Ice Queen blew up Mt Weather after Arkadia settled it, Lexa failed to extradite the Ice Queen to Arkadia to face trial and judgement, and of course Trikru slaughtered dozens of children back in season one, which included the use of biological warfare. Every single grounder that we've seen that isn't Lexa wants to see Skykru dead. Literally every one now that Lexa is dead! You're right that grounders is a blanket statement to Arkadia. That's because, frankly, grounds as a blanket statement is an accurate statement as well.
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Rocksicles posted:This thread has gone to poo poo in like 2 weeks. sorry not sorry if you try and discuss this show anywhere right now you're gonna get the same thing 
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Troposphere posted:yeah Yea, a flashback to farm station and their first 3 months / election episode would have been nice.
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Rocksicles posted:This thread has gone to poo poo in like 2 weeks. I'm really glad the thread is actually discussing the show right now rather than discussing LGBTQ representation in popular media. If I may ask, what do you find to be disagreeable with the thread currently, and how may we make your thread experience more pleasant?
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Examples of ones I've heard about : ... fans of the game Dragon Age.
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The Iron Rose posted:The difference, of course, to arkadia a grounder is a grounder is a grounder. The entirety of their experience with grounders has been Lincoln. On the other hand, Trikru abandoned them to die at Mt Weather, the Ice Queen blew up Mt Weather after Arkadia settled it, Lexa failed to extradite the Ice Queen to Arkadia to face trial and judgement, and of course Trikru slaughtered dozens of children back in season one, which included the use of biological warfare. Every single grounder that we've seen that isn't Lexa wants to see Skykru dead. Literally every one now that Lexa is dead! Again, you're doing a blanket statement about the grounders. Have you seen all the grounders? Did they all affirm their intentions to kill Skykru? You're talking about a whole lot of people who apparently all share the same ideal. Killing every member of skykru. You also forget that justice was carried out on the Ice Queen. Lexa was bringing them the queen's body when she stumbled upon the dead grounder army. You know the one where another See what I'm saying? Blanket statements about an entire nation.
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Dalael posted:Skykru I know this is the official spelling, but it feels so bizarre to me because in my mind I spell it as "Sky Crew".
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I believe in the grounder language they don't use y's. Who knows, really, it's all made up anyway. Skaikru is "correct" spelling. http://the100.wikia.com/wiki/Trigedasleng_(language) I find languages like this pretty fascinating to read/listen to - The Expanse has Belter creole which is awesome. Trigedasleng isn't a true creole because it's not a mash of different languages, as I understand it, but it's pretty cool.
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Dalael posted:Again, you're doing a blanket statement about the grounders. Have you seen all the grounders? Did they all affirm their intentions to kill Skykru? You're talking about a whole lot of people who apparently all share the same ideal. Killing every member of skykru. Every grounder we've seen on the show that has expressed an opinion on Skykru isn't Lexa, Lincoln, or that one trader girl has been opposed to Skykru and wanted to see them dead. The army in question that was attacked would have been used to wipe trikru out if the Ice Queen had succeeded in killing Lexa. No nation would tolerate a potentially hostile army on their doorstep when they had the power if it had the power to ensure otherwise. the Ice Queen was brought to justice, but justice at the hands of the grounders, not Arkadia. The arkers turned Finn over to face justice at the hands of the grounders, yet when Arkadia is attacked and many of their own murdered, they just have to sit back and trust that Lexa will take care of everything? I think not. Pike's right. Pike has always been right.
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Pike was wrong once, he failed to have Kane killed at the first hint of sedition. I get his need to act and be seen acting in a lawful manner, but seriously, he should have put a bullet in that treasonous gently caress four episodes ago.
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So the Walking Dead killed off a lesbian this week, is the internet on fire again or do they only care if they're "hot"?
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Rhyno posted:So the Walking Dead killed off a lesbian this week, is the internet on fire again or do they only care if they're "hot"? yeah people are super pissed about it. vanity fair wrote another article about it.
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Troposphere posted:yeah people are super pissed about it. vanity fair wrote another article about it. I haven't seen a peep anywhere like last time which is why I asked.
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Rhyno posted:I haven't seen a peep anywhere like last time which is why I asked. all the lesbian blogs I follow are super mad and have been posting about it nonstop. I think there's less outrage because they didn't really have the lgbt fanbase like the 100 did but wow talk about bad timing on twd's part haha
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Troposphere posted:all the lesbian blogs I follow are super mad and have been posting about it nonstop. I think there's less outrage because they didn't really have the lgbt fanbase like the 100 did but wow talk about bad timing on twd's part haha Ah. Well I don't follow any sexuality specific blogs which might be why I haven't seen the outcry.
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hope and vaseline posted:Yeah, it really could have stood to benefit from a flashback episode where we actually got to see Pike and farm station's hard choices, kind of like Lost's "The Other 48 Days." As of this point it's hard to have any kind of empathy for Pike's crew, which is kind of a huge failure in storytelling considering the crux of the Arkadia plot hinges on this. It's even hard to care about the destruction of Mt. Weather because we didn't get to know any of the people in there. They're just numbers in an increasingly large amount of deaths that the 100 likes to use to up the stakes. And the Farm Station Flashback should be named "And they shall beat their plowshares into swords". But then again, I'm a sucker for old timey pretentious scifi episode titles.
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TheCenturion posted:And the Farm Station Flashback should be named "And they shall beat their plowshares into swords". Sounds like the name of a post-rock band. Who would Pike be? Monty's mom is probably the second rhythm guitarist, expendable and sometimes pointless. Bellamy could be the drummer, since he can change pace so quickly...
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Johnny Truant posted:Sounds like the name of a post-rock band. Who would Pike be? Monty's mom is probably the second rhythm guitarist, expendable and sometimes pointless. Bellamy could be the drummer, since he can change pace so quickly... Pike is obviously the lead vocalist since he loves talking and giving speeches so much. Monty would be the guy who sets up all the equipment (and eventually rigs it so the mic stand electrocutes Pike).
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Boris Galerkin posted:But post rock doesn't have vocals. A Silver Mt. Zion would beg to differ. Or uh, Sigur Ros, since they seem to be lumped in there quite frequently.
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Mogwai has vocals, And So I Watch You From Afar has vocals, the list goes on. I could see Pike being the rear end in a top hat synth player who forces the band to play some really weird and bad songs.
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Troposphere posted:yep the article I linked goes into that, as well as this sweet tweet by orlando jones Yeah, more people should learn the lesson "Give up on your ambition to write a compelling story, pander to idiots instead!"
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Showrunners and writers need to learn to stay the gently caress away from social media.
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hope and vaseline posted:Showrunners and writers need to learn to stay the gently caress away from social media. This strikes me as a good lesson. Let the actors do that poo poo.
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according to Ricky Whittle, Jason Rothenberg forbid the actors to interact with each other or fans much on social media or post behind the scenes stuff because he wanted to do that that so he would get more followers idk how true that is but the other actors have been pretty supportive of Ricky so I wouldn't be surprised if it were true
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Most writers and showrunners I follow generally know their boundaries. It sounds like Rotherberg might not if that's the case. Most other writers just tweet like regular people. Just on top of "hey make sure to tune in tonight for a new episode" or whatever, especially if they wrote it they might livetweet it or sometimes retweet some behind the scenes stuff. I've had writers say (in general) "if you tweet me any episode pitches I must block you for everyone's sake". They sure don't go baiting super hard for retweets or fanart or anything. Maybe just like positive reactions at best. Literally the most annoying my twitter feed ever got was Shawn Ryan retweeting positive tweets for Mad Dogs, mostly cause I didn't particularly like it but it was relatively harmless stuff too.
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, more people should learn the lesson "Give up on your ambition to write a compelling story, pander to idiots instead!"
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Showrunner breaks silence over Lexa's deathquote:“Since our episode ‘Thirteen’ aired three weeks ago, I’ve spent a great deal of time reading letters, blogs, tweets and articles from passionate women and men of all ages who were angered and saddened that the character Lexa was killed off immediately after a love scene with our hero Clarke. I’m still processing this. I’m still learning. But I have gained perspective and more than ever, I am profoundly grateful to you, our fans.
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The top commenter nailed it: quote:What is sad to me is seeing what the lgbtq community is going to do to themselves. There was inclusion there. There are groups (hispanics and asianfor example) that are not getting that. They had a character that was more than just that gay character. Lexa was smart, strong, warrior and all that she seems to be reduced to is her sexuality.
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I think the contrast between the suicidal gnashing of teeth over the death of Lexa, Sexy Warrior Queen vs the lack thereof for Dumpy Lesbian Quasi-Doctor on TWD speaks volumes. Granted, I'll give it that Rothenberg seemed to bring a lot of this on himself but I wonder where the call for TWD to go off the air is, and how come Kirkman, Nicotero, Hurd, etc aren't getting death threats.
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Astroman posted:I think the contrast between the suicidal gnashing of teeth over the death of Lexa, Sexy Warrior Queen vs the lack thereof for Dumpy Lesbian Quasi-Doctor on TWD speaks volumes. I was actually more annoyed at The Walking Dead than The 100 -- mostly because Merrit Weaver is a) awesome and b) quite a good actor. I never thought that Debnam-Carey was particularly bad, but she's nowhere near Weaver's class.
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