Panic! at Nabisco posted:

The 3DS is a great, great system if you like RPGs. Go for an XL imo, and try out the Etrian Odyssey games if you like dungeon crawlers. EO4 is a good starting place for people new to the series, it's somewhat less punishing than the others.

The White Dragon posted:

Have you played a SaGa game before? We had a short back-and-forth about it a couple pages back and basically if you know you like that series, get Last Remnant because you will fuckin' love it. If you don't know, then emulate RS3 or Minstrel Song before you consider TLR. It's packed full of opaque formulas and understanding them is pretty essential to being able to get to the end of the game (the last boss is easy, though--easier, even, than the random encounter monsters leading up to it in most cases).

I can't speak for Skyrim of Fallout 4 because while I find them to be objectively entertaining sandbox games, I myself don't really find them fun on a personal level and I get bored of them really quickly.

Maybe check out Way of the Samurai 4 (PC). It's a great "achievement-based advancement" game--you get stronger by doing specific tasks, completing combat challenges, or upgrading your weapons rather than by gaining arbitrary exp.

Do Alpha Protocol for sure if you haven't played it yet. It's a fast-paced talky game. A lot of people complained about the combat when it came out, but that's only because it looked like a third-person shooter and going in guns blazing really only works with one specific weapon type; it's actually more like Secret of Mana than anything else where you gotta wait for your attack's accuracy or special ability to charge before you shoot. If you don't, your attacks are weak and lovely and your shots go everywhere but in the enemy in front of you.

rabidsquid posted:

I absolutely loved SaGa Frontier 1 & 2 back in the psx days but I don't think I've ever played any of the other games. I actually played Alpha Protocol quite a lot on PS3 but I really should get it on PC.

rabidsquid posted:

I started looking up a 3DS XL to buy and there are so many SKUs. Are all of these basically the same poo poo just with some stuff engraved on the case?

corn in the bible posted:

I like how the persona 4 people are like THE COPS WOULD NEVER BELIEVE US but like you could just show a cop the tv world and they'd probably buy it

Go get uncle cop and shove him into the television, he'll believe you

Bongo Bill posted:

Alpha Protocol is insanely good.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

It really is . The first stretch of Saudi Arabia is a real hump though if you're going into the game blind.

Rascyc posted:

The US doesn't have the game and have been leaping to conclusions this whole time based off a few posts made by some of the EU players who happen to have played/watched the JP versions.

Wendell posted:

If they wanted it to be pronounced Juness then they should have spelled it Juness.

Amppelix posted:

I'm going to be making a stupid pedantic post and I apologize in advance.

Ok no, look. It is not loving cencorship, Here's what a dictionary has to say on the subject:

It is definitely censorship when you can't publish something in the newspaper because the government does not approve of it. It was maybe censorship when games on Nintendo consoles in the 90s got religious allusions removed from the western version. It is definitely not loving censorship when the developers themselves, of their own will, make changes to their game that they expect will improve the sales of the game in whatever market they're aiming for. It's not like Nintendo is mandating a policy where sexy poo poo can't appear on their systems, otherwise what the gently caress is the boob ninja game doing there? Yes it might be the localization team doing this, and they are probably not a part of the original team, but guess what? They don't localize games these days without input and acceptance from the devs.

This whole definition of censorship that the internet seems to have defined within the last three years really grinds my gears because it completely loses the original implication of the word and real, actual, horrible censorship is still happening all over the world!

Levantine posted:

It's not censorship, it's editing. If you don't understand the concept of a private company editing their own product to maximize profits then loving looooooool on you.

SelenicMartian posted:

He'd never agree to wear those glasses.

DrPaper posted:

Braverly Second isn't Nintendos own product either, it's Squares, so uh, loooooool on you.

DrPaper posted:

Nah.

"make changes to their game that they expect will improve the sales of the game in whatever market they're aiming for" is why they were doing it in the 90's.

The NoA is changing things from the original game because they find it unacceptable for the audience they want to market it to, or to avoid negative press. It may not be important censorship because it's not trying to silence someone out of hate, but it's still censorship.

It's still censorship when they bleep the gently caress word on Family Guy because it makes the episode air-able on Fox Sundays at 8pm PST because they can get more ad revenue than if they aired in watershed hours uncensored. Don't try and take an apolitical concept like censoring things and claim it's only acceptable to use in the context social injustice just because you like a videogame company or don't care for what they're removing. Hollywood, the FFC and airlines have been doing it for years, videogames doing it isn't new. It's not important and it doesn't matter, but it's still censorship.

DrPaper posted:

Nah.

"make changes to their game that they expect will improve the sales of the game in whatever market they're aiming for" is why they were doing it in the 90's.

The NoA is changing things from the original game because they find it unacceptable for the audience they want to market it to, or to avoid negative press. It may not be important censorship because it's not trying to silence someone out of hate, but it's still censorship.

It's still censorship when they bleep the gently caress word on Family Guy because it makes the episode air-able on Fox Sundays at 8pm PST because they can get more ad revenue than if they aired in watershed hours uncensored. Don't try and take an apolitical concept like censoring things and claim it's only acceptable to use in the context social injustice just because you like a videogame company or don't care for what they're removing. Hollywood, the FFC and airlines have been doing it for years, videogames doing it isn't new. It's not important and it doesn't matter, but it's still censorship.

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Yes it might be the localization team doing this, and they are probably not a part of the original team, but guess what? They don't localize games these days without input and acceptance from the devs.

Levantine posted:

If nintendo is making money on it in the west, guess what?

Amppelix posted:

I would type a response to this, except I already did in the very post you're quoting, so...

Srice posted:

99 times out of 100, the people doing the localization making significant changes have to run it by the original developer and/or publisher and get approval.

a medical mystery posted:

no you see every movie cut differently from the director's original vision and every book that doesn't have literal versions of its jokes after being translated are acts of censorship because

DrPaper posted:

They're still censoring minor content that doesn't require approval passes, like the Hawkeye class to better suit a new audience.

Amppelix posted:

Nothing good can come out of prolonging this conversation, so I'm posting about Parasite Eve 2 some more.

I discovered/remembered another reason I don't like survival horror: inventory management. Your measly 20 slots fill up with ammo and healing real fast, and there's no worse feeling in the world than having to decide between what items you want to pick up and what to discard, when every single item is extremely valuably already. And to make things worse, PE2 has a storage system but it only serves to make me more item paranoid: there is no interconnected magic storage, instead every item box you ever find has a separate inventory and you will need to backtrack to it to retrieve the stuff. So now I'm at the same time vary of carrying too much valuable stuff that I should save for later in the game and leaving my valuables in boxes that I can't access later easily. Ugh, what a hassle. Does anybody actually like this sort of management challenge?

Srice posted:

It's incredibly likely that they got approval for that change, too.

In those situations it's super common for a localization team to tell the original developers that an element might not play well in other countries, and get permission to change it.

Amppelix posted:

Nothing good can come out of prolonging this conversation, so I'm posting about Parasite Eve 2 some more.

I discovered/remembered another reason I don't like survival horror: inventory management. Your measly 20 slots fill up with ammo and healing real fast, and there's no worse feeling in the world than having to decide between what items you want to pick up and what to discard, when every single item is extremely valuably already. And to make things worse, PE2 has a storage system but it only serves to make me more item paranoid: there is no interconnected magic storage, instead every item box you ever find has a separate inventory and you will need to backtrack to it to retrieve the stuff. So now I'm at the same time vary of carrying too much valuable stuff that I should save for later in the game and leaving my valuables in boxes that I can't access later easily. Ugh, what a hassle. Does anybody actually like this sort of management challenge?

DrPaper posted:

As I said though, it's not an issue of creator consent. I don't care about BD2

DrPaper posted:

I don't care about BD2. I didn't like the first one, and from the 20 minutes I spent in 2 it didn't improve. [...] I kind of cared about the side quest changes, but at the end of the day I was playing the JP version so it didn't effect me.

corn in the bible posted:

Then shut the gently caress up please

DrPaper posted:

You realize with how easy it is to crack the 3DS now alot of us can play EU and JP 3DS cia's, so it's not just going off of heresay.

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If they lose out on a lot of sales, they'll know why, and maybe we can prevent this horses*** from happening again. This absolutely sickens me. I am absolutely heartbroken. I love Bravely Default to death, and I can't even begin to tell how hyped I was when I heard this game was being released. Now, all I had been excited for is now something I wouldn't even pirate. I am deeply saddened. Please, PLEASE boycott this game. if many people say "Hey, we aren't going to put up with this censorship bulls***! Don't do it anymore, or you'll flop on sales!" They'll think twice. Let your money do the talking. If they don't get it, they'll know they done f***ed it up. Please don't buy censored games that actually cut out content! Changing the clothing on characters is one thing, but removing plot endings and other content... unacceptable! I'm especially enraged because from what I hear, they removed in game story content, quite a bit of it, actually. Mostly side quests and endings. Like seriously, sorry for the tl;dr, but I can't stress it enough how the localization people blew it for me. I almost want to weep. Buy it if you want, but allowing these people to do this s*** will only make them do it more in the future, and the censorship will be even more severe. Give them an inch. I hope the game flops outside of Japan.

corn in the bible posted:

Then shut the gently caress up please

Luminous Cow posted:

Ok, so I had a vacation completely fall apart and I have a week of paid time off staycation. I've decided that instead of doing anything productive, I'm going to poopsock an rpg through. Trouble is, I can't decide on one, and I've been so far out of the loop for so long I have no idea what the "must plays" are. I have a pc, a ps4, a 3ds, and a wii u. I have several unplayed rpg's on my steam account, including final fantasy VII, jade empire, and others. I also have access to the older final fantasies. How the hell am I supposed to decide on a game? Which games can I expect to be able to complete in just a week and still have family time?

Edit: I have a hankering for turn based battles if that helps narrow things down.

Rascyc posted: