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So I just started watching the show. I'm up to episode 8 so far. Maybe it's because Vincent D'Onofrio is that good of an actor but when ever THe Kingpin is on screen theres this aura of sadness just radiating off him. Like...I felt like I wanted to cry just watching him wake up and eating breakfast.
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Fairly recently in the comics, Matt was publicly outed as Daredevil and got sent to prison to get merked by the people he's put there. No one would help him, except for the Punisher, who went to the nearest police station, confessed his crimes, and made sure he got put in the same cell block as Murdock, all to make sure that Matt got out of jail in one piece. Just think how much fun a story arc based off of that would be.
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A.o.D. posted:Fairly recently in the comics, Matt was publicly outed as Daredevil and got sent to prison to get merked by the people he's put there. No one would help him, except for the Punisher, who went to the nearest police station, confessed his crimes, and made sure he got put in the same cell block as Murdock, all to make sure that Matt got out of jail in one piece. I just didn't enjoy the lead up to that. I prefer my vigilantes operating on the DL, especially since the Marvel universe at large seemed pretty intent on making sure that it wasn't a problem for Matt and he's still allowed to operate as Daredevil with only a few headnods to being outed, until Waid decided to have Matt disbarred. IDK. I guess season 2 just really didn't click with me at all. After all that hype and those trailers, and we got a lot of talking and flat cinematography.
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Mar 21, 2016 03:36
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The NYC worship though is really annoying, even Karen seems to worship it despite being from Vermont, a superior place
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Nobody likes Vermont.
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whole series spoilers The final Kingpin scene seemed like a clear way of setting up Born Again and the huge hole/black sky bit seemed like a decent way to set up Shadowland. Born Again seems like it would be great for season 3, and I can see Shadowland being a decent inspiration for the Defenders. I might like Winter Soldier more, but I'm pretty sure season 2, episodes 1-4 are the best thing to come out of the MCU. Likewise, I think season 1 was probably better overall, but I think I'd rather rewatch season 2 because I appreciate the quicker pace.
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Aphrodite posted:Nobody likes Vermont. Tell that to all the New Yorkers who moved there!
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If they do Born Again I wonder if theyll cut out the part where Karen becomes a porn actress and sells Matts identity for a shot of H
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net cafe scandal posted:If they do Born Again I wonder if theyll cut out the part where Karen becomes a porn actress and sells Matts identity for a shot of H It seems like Fisk is figuring it out on his own. He asked for all the files on Murdock while he was in prison. The gears in his head are turning 
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net cafe scandal posted:If they do Born Again I wonder if theyll cut out the part where Karen becomes a porn actress and sells Matts identity for a shot of H They'll probably skip the whole porn actress thing. At least I hope anyway.
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I enjoyed Jessica Jones a lot more than either season of this. Season 2 has so far been an awesome debut season of the punisher with a boring daredevil story being dragged behind it.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I enjoyed Jessica Jones a lot more than either season of this. Season 2 has so far been an awesome debut season of the punisher with a boring daredevil story being dragged behind it. I turned the first episode of that off 20 minutes in and wathced all the Purple Man scenes on YouTube.
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A.o.D. posted:Fairly recently in the comics, Matt was publicly outed as Daredevil and got sent to prison to get merked by the people he's put there. No one would help him, except for the Punisher, who went to the nearest police station, confessed his crimes, and made sure he got put in the same cell block as Murdock, all to make sure that Matt got out of jail in one piece. I remember the getting outed but I must have missed the punisher portion? What issues? Also, WHO DAT
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The only thing I can think of while watching DD S2 is the following: Frank Castle probably has AIDS.
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SonicRulez posted:No he's not and I was happy as hell when Matt rightfully told him to gently caress off. I was sick of hearing him ride Matt for saving lives and Matt constantly apologizing to him. I can understand his fear that he would find Matt dead on a rooftop. Hell, he nearly did on multiple occasions. It's not that I didn't think he had the right to complain. I just think it got tiring by the end of the season. Matt could jump out of a burning building with a child, stop a mugging, and do CPR on a guy only to have Foggy be waiting for him at home like "But you didn't come out with me and Karen, you dick!" A lot of Foggy's plot this season, just like Frank's, seems to show that there's more than one way to accomplish what Matt does. While Matt's not totally in the wrong for choosing his morally grey path of vigilantism over Frank's outright murder or Foggy's faith in the legal system, he is wrong in that he fails to consider the effects of his actions on the people around him. This crops up in a few ways [full season spoilers] like accidentally leading Elektra to disqualify Foggy's witness, deceiving Karen about Elektra's very presence in his life, or prompting the loving ninja raid by clandestinely taking the Black Sky children to Claire's hospital. Defusing the hospital fight was a way to show Foggy rising to the same level as Matt (and performing functionally the same task as him later in the season, but on a smaller scale). Taking that into mind, as well as the obvious fact that not only does Foggy's peace of mind rest on Matt's wellbeing but also Foggy's ability to pay rent and eat things that aren't given in lieu of cash, I think his behavior was completely justified. Hopefully this'll come up next season, between Matt coming out to Karen and Foggy moving on to Jeri Hogarth's firm. That said, I can't wait for either S3 of Daredevil or S2 of Jessica Jones, whichever one shows Foggy dealing with how ludicrously unethical Jeri is. It's unrelated to my above point, but between 2x03 Matt's helplessness after being concussed, 2x08 the low-breathing ninjas, and the increased amount of time Charlie Cox spends with his eyes exposed, I really enjoyed the increased focus on Matt's blindness this season. It's one of the most interesting wrinkles to his character, and it was refreshing after being incidental in the first season. Mameluke fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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Donde Esta posted:The only thing I can think of while watching DD S2 is the following: Frank Castle probably has AIDS. What
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Hollismason posted:What
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net cafe scandal posted:I turned the first episode of that off 20 minutes in and wathced all the Purple Man scenes on YouTube. Fail.
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Jessica Jones didn't interest me but I'm glad that other people were able to find a show that they enjoyed and can talk about. 
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The Punisher is really my favorite comic character. While Ennis portrayed him extremely well, I honestly didn't think it could be topped. I was wrong about that. The way they wrote him was amazing and Jon Berenthal gives a superb performance. I am honestly glad they went with a three-dimensional route rather than pure sociopath that dominates most of the Ennis run. The depth and pain that he has did remind me of this from Max 1: You don't get that through Punisher Max (except in way too few places, since Ennis focuses a lot on the villains) and I am glad that they did it. It really felt like this was the first time someone on screen knew how to handle the character and got him. I also see they transferred The Punisher's superpower in that Frank is in extreme control when he is doing his murdering, he never lets any innocents get hurt. I was worried for a moment that he killed the DA and the ME, since Frank never kills the law, even if they deserve it. I mean, he does it indirectly sometimes, but not blasting them. He just lets them get their just desserts . And especially when Foggy got hit. You get this when he is talking to Karen and saying he could have hit her if he wanted, but didn't. Another thing I liked was that they took the scene where Punisher chains up Daredevil on the roof and puts the gun in his hand from Marvel Knights. I thought it was great. And I am glad they aren't done with the character, alluding to stuff in the Kandahar Valley and basically taking his war story origin from 'Born'. The Micro CD was a nice touch as well. Last but not least, the reason why he takes on the skull as his symbol is incredibly smart and doesn't come off as corny, which it easily could be. All in all, I thought the second season surpasses the first. I did like the Elektra story a lot, which I didn't think I would like. It was really solid and I'm hoping the positive response makes them do a Punisher series instead of Iron Fist. that one guy posted:From the inmates' blood all over him in the prison massacre. I had the same thought. Just assume the Kingpin gave him Post-Exposure Prevention Antivirals and poo poo after that. Don't want Frank to be sick while he murders all the criminal scum in NY!
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Season 2 Spoilers Eh... that's not really how HIV transfers. I mean yea I guess having open wounds after the battle he could be exposed, but if like the prisoners were on Anti Virals their viral load would be.... He didn't catch AIDS.. You don't even catch AIDS you catch HIV.
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I think that 13 episodes might be a bit much for The Punisher, but if I were Netflix, I'd be gearing up for a 4 episode miniseries for the character. Maybe even for Elektra too.
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I think 6 episodes would be the sweet spot or it could be like Sherlock where it's 3 to 4 2 Hour episodes.
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I really wish this show and Jessica Jones would go through the trouble of showing Avengers Tower in their constant wide skyline shots. Aside from that small detail I really liked this season. Punisher was amazing and unlike a lot of people I really liked (whole season) Matt and Karen's romance. It felt realistically awkward in the way that two longtime friends and coworkers going on a date would be awkward. Your first impulse with a friend and coworker is to bitch about work so of course that's what they first tried talking about. Which reminds me, whoever lit that Indian restaurant is an artist. That scene was gorgeous.
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Just finished the series, and a somewhat irrelevant thought: Frank has to have recognized Matt Murdock at Daredevil immediately, right? He doesn't seem overly miffed to find his blind lawyer fighting ninjas on a rooftop. Plus it makes the Karen diner scene all that much better when she's calling Matt dishonest and a bad person in comparison to Frank (albeit as far as Frank knows Matt is probably faking the blindness for a cover).
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Hollismason posted:Season 2 Spoilers Eh... that's not really how HIV transfers. I mean yea I guess having open wounds after the battle he could be exposed, but if like the prisoners were on Anti Virals their viral load would be.... Lmao. Now I remember why this is my favourite subforum.
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Bananaquiter posted:Just finished the series, and a somewhat irrelevant thought: Frank has to have recognized Matt Murdock at Daredevil immediately, right? He doesn't seem overly miffed to find his blind lawyer fighting ninjas on a rooftop. Plus it makes the Karen diner scene all that much better when she's calling Matt dishonest and a bad person in comparison to Frank (albeit as far as Frank knows Matt is probably faking the blindness for a cover). Season 2 There are very unsubtle hints that he absolutely knows who Daredevil is. Specifically when they meet in the room and he hears Matt's voice his whole entire body and attitude changes. I thought it was really well done.
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Hollismason posted:Season 2 Spoilers Eh... that's not really how HIV transfers. I mean yea I guess having open wounds after the battle he could be exposed, but if like the prisoners were on Anti Virals their viral load would be.... I was going to go with Hep C but decided to be obtuse as possible. Glad it wasn't wasted.
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Frank Castle is exactly the machine he needed to be.... I'm at 11. Beyond crushing it.
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Punisher was definitely at risk of catching AIDS from all that prisoner's blood.
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Medullah posted:Episode 13 spoiler I can't believe that they showed him finding a freaking minigun, followed by Matt and Elektra wondering how they were going to survive a wave of 100 ninjas and instead of Frank mowing down ninjas with the minigun he snipes a few and the gives him the Steve Buscemi from Billy Madison wave. 
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Minor ep13 spoilers: So with Hogarth talking about getting into defending vigilantes, any chance we might get a She-Hulk cameo or series? After all, she is a lawyer who specializes in handling cases involving vigilantes. Also, because of the Clancy Brown in superhero shows chat on the past few pages, I feel obliged to point out that he was on the latest episode of The Venture Brothers as their version of the Red Skull. And he is pretty different from his character on The Flash and Daredevil.
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If there was one disappointment for me its that (Season as a whole) Clancy Brown seemed like he wasn't playing a villain for once and then WHOOPS, yes he was. He seemed to be enjoying being a good guy until his heel turn. Too bad. Otherwise? Great season.
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Did I miss what MICRO is supposed to mean or is that a reference to something outside the show?
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Mars4523 posted:Matt throws him off a building that looks to be at least 10 stories tall. I doubt he was thinking about how Nobu could recover from life threatening injuries when he launched him into the air. It's almost like he was only one bad day from turning into Frank.
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Lester Shy posted:Did I miss what MICRO is supposed to mean or is that a reference to something outside the show? Most likely a reference to the original Punisher comics where Frank has a partner who goes by Microchip. Computer tech geekie nerd.
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Lester Shy posted:Did I miss what MICRO is supposed to mean or is that a reference to something outside the show? It is most likely a comics reference. It is most likely a reference to Microchip, a member of The Punisher's supporting cast. He's a hacker who helps out The Punisher. e;fb jng2058 posted:If there was one disappointment for me its that (Season as a whole) Clancy Brown seemed like he wasn't playing a villain for once and then WHOOPS, yes he was. He seemed to be enjoying being a good guy until his heel turn. Too bad. Otherwise? Great season. Too be fair, kind of had to see that one coming. I mean, why bother to bring in Clancy Brown to do one scene giving a speech in a courtroom if he's not going to do anything else? I mean, he's not an A-List actor, but he's big in comic media related circles. At some point there had to be something interesting involving him. It's the old Columbo, Law & Order method of finding the suspect. If you recognize the actor, they probably did it. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I think that 13 episodes might be a bit much for The Punisher, but if I were Netflix, I'd be gearing up for a 4 episode miniseries for the character. Maybe even for Elektra too. 13 episodes was pretty good for Daredevil season 1 but I think season 2 and Jessica Jones would have been better if they had their story tightened to say 8-10 episodes. Season 2 in particular would have been better had they just done three mini arcs with the Punisher, the return of Elektra and Roxxon and all the Black Sky stuff at the end.
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Kegslayer posted:Jessica Jones would have been better if they had their story tightened to say 8-10 episodes. I agree, but I'm in the camp that hated all the Nuke bits.
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