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Jagchosis posted:One of Trump's New Hampshire alternate delegates is a guy under indictment and held without bail for his involvement in the Bundy Standoff, and his wife is as well Well, it speaks better of him than the KKK, I guess.
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Epic High Five posted:Yep, anything that's considered a vehicle. Most cyclists may not realize it, as they blow past a stop sign and get turned into mush by an SUV, but they are absolutely vehicles that must obey all traffic laws. Basically if you can't legally take it on a sidewalk, it's a vehicle You can actually bike on the sidewalk in many states (usually as long as right-of-way is given to pedestrians) and there are specific bike related legal code in most places.
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Bicycles arent vehicles in Illinois so you can't get a DUI on them (well, the police will give you one, you can beat it in court) As to the Moorish temple, I'll look it up. Sadly I'd have to go pull pleadings from the county building because they aren't online, but they do some neat stuff claiming to be native Americans with a made up Indian sounding name that I don't think the other sovcits do.
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citybeatnik posted:Hell, we had a guy here in Austin get arrested for a DUI while on a horse. keep austin weird 
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https://twitter.com/ToniTagliarino/status/711961180382756865 When you find yourself in a hole, keep digging because it's not actually a hole, it's a TRAP for the FEDS!
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Kazak_Hstan posted:https://twitter.com/ToniTagliarino/status/711961180382756865 lol "he's not a criminal, any more than those other two criminals!
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Gee, all those people who kept stressing how their armed occupation was non-violent and law enforcement should have done more to make sure LaVoy was taken in safely because he didn't actually hurt anyone suddenly don't mind so much when one of them suddenly turns violent.Kazak_Hstan posted:When you find yourself in a hole, keep digging because it's not actually a hole, it's a TRAP for the FEDS!
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So in other news, the sheriff in the adjacent county that supported the occupation is being criminally investigated now.
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mastershakeman posted:Bicycles arent vehicles in Illinois so you can't get a DUI on them (well, the police will give you one, you can beat it in court) The incorporation as a tribe thing isn't unique to the Moorish Temple subset, but they're particularly known for it.
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A Winner is Jew posted:So in other news, the sheriff in the adjacent county that supported the occupation is being criminally investigated now. quote:In January, Palmer twice met with militant leaders in John Day, including Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana, and Jon E. Ritzheimer, 32, of Peoria, Arizona. Ritzheimer said in a later interview that he and Payne autographed Palmer's pocket version of the Constitution. Lmao
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Ritzheimer collects disability for the "PTSD" he got as a glorified gas station attendant in Iraq. If you were ever to encounter him out in the wild the best thing you could do would be to cut him off whenever he starts talking with "PUMP JOCKEY!", "WORKS FOR TIPS!"
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Casimir Radon posted:Ritzheimer collects disability for the "PTSD" he got as a glorified gas station attendant in Iraq. If you were ever to encounter him out in the wild the best thing you could do would be to cut him off whenever he starts talking with "PUMP JOCKEY!", "WORKS FOR TIPS!" Yeah, but that's kinda dickish to do to a guy in his late 50s. Darkman Fanpage posted:he's in his 30s OAquinas has issued a correction as of 21:12 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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OAquinas posted:Yeah, but that's kinda dickish to do to a guy in his late 50s. he's in his 30s
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A Winner is Jew posted:So in other news, the sheriff in the adjacent county that supported the occupation is being criminally investigated now. the feds are starting to tighten the noose on the collaborators now. my guess is the congress woman will be next.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the feds are starting to tighten the noose on the collaborators now. my guess is the congress woman will be next. Oh, now that would be hilarious. She's in court, screeching "I ONLY OFFERED THEM MCDONALDS, WHAT AMERICAN SHOULD BE REFUSED MACDONALDS!!" as the Feds wheel her to a five year stint in a SuperMax, just to make their point crystal clear.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the feds are starting to tighten the noose on the collaborators now. my guess is the congress woman will be next.
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Casimir Radon posted:She's not even a congresswoman, just a state assemblyman. She's running for congress but she's maybe too nutty to win in a larger space like a district. Be even harder when she's being investigated by the Feds for this.
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I'm reading through some of the complaints lodged against Joe Palmer. Apparently they wanted to do the road block in Grant County, which is Palmer's territory, but had to do it in Harney because they did not trust Palmer or want to work with him. He's also kind of a dick and purposely cut off jail access to John Day city's chief of police because he ran against him. I guess there's also some software called LEDS that the local law enforcement uses, I think to track paperwork and dispatches. They wanted to know who at Palmer's office would have access to it, since it's sensitive info, and he just sent them back a fax with, "Anyone I deputize" scrawled on it. He's apparently big on deputizing citizens. He never provided a list of who he wanted to give that LEDS access to. On top of that he purposely went to the road block at some point so he could be photographed as being part of the traffic stop, but was getting messages on social media by people who saw him at the meeting Finicum and Co. were driving to. In uniform. I don't know exactly what laws he has broken but it sounds like he's pretty hosed for being so pro-militant.
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cumshitter posted:I'm reading through some of the complaints lodged against Joe Palmer. Sounds like a small man put in a position of power that suddenly backed any ideology or scam that would increase his power. Which means that he'll probably be charged with just enough for him to lose his job and his freedom for a few years as an example.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:Sounds like a small man put in a position of power that suddenly backed any ideology or scam that would increase his power. Which means that he'll probably be charged with just enough for him to lose his job and his freedom for a few years as an example. Sounds like he's the villain of some old 70's trucker B-movie
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the feds are starting to tighten the noose on the collaborators now. my guess is the congress woman will be next. Oh yeah, there is no way Fiore doesn't get wrapped up in this in some way, she's just a state level politician, she was stupid to think she would have enough leverage to butt her way into the occupation
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http://chaffetz.house.gov/sites/chaffetz.house.gov/files/BLM%20%26%20Forest%20Service%20law%20bill.pdf The Utah congressional delegation throwing in with domestic terrorists.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:http://chaffetz.house.gov/sites/chaffetz.house.gov/files/BLM%20%26%20Forest%20Service%20law%20bill.pdf Haha please baby jesus let the feds be able to go after them somehow.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:http://chaffetz.house.gov/sites/chaffetz.house.gov/files/BLM%20%26%20Forest%20Service%20law%20bill.pdf I'm sure they'll have a calm and reasonable explanation as to why this suddenly became an issue of such great importance that does not have to deal with the recent arrests of some of the most notoriously incompetent domestic terrorists in recent history. Probably because of freedom.
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InterFaced posted:Haha please baby jesus let the feds be able to go after them somehow. That would literally be unconstitutional: quote:Section. 6.
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evilweasel posted:That would literally be unconstitutional: Yeah I thought so. As a resident of Utah its infuriating seeing our elected representatives in expensive suits siding with Cliven and his band of treasonous retards. But hey I guess they're representing their constituents.
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Its not all that surprising. Posse Comitatus/Sovcit Movement started out west and has always been most prevalent out there.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:http://chaffetz.house.gov/sites/chaffetz.house.gov/files/BLM%20%26%20Forest%20Service%20law%20bill.pdf Geostomp posted:I'm sure they'll have a calm and reasonable explanation as to why this suddenly became an issue of such great importance that does not have to deal with the recent arrests of some of the most notoriously incompetent domestic terrorists in recent history. Probably because of freedom. It sounds like a desperate attempt to counter some horrid ratings among moderate Republicans and everybody who isn't a raving psycho. http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/5701-utah-house-members-don-t-get-a-lot-of-love-even-love-herself A lot of them stand a fair challenge despite some of them being in safe red districts. I can see this backfiring as the whole Bundy thing is going to end up with a lot of convictions and prison time.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Sounds like he's the villain of some old 70's trucker B-movie poo poo, he sounds like Brian Dennehy's character from the first Rambo, i.e. a huge rear end in a top hat who thinks because he is the sheriff he's above the law.
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evilweasel posted:That would literally be unconstitutional: " be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses" They are not privileged from arrest when the legislature is not in session. Utah's legislative session is held for 45 days each year. This year was from January 25th to March 10th.
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MisterOblivious posted:" be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses" Federal, not state. And the part that he bolded is much broader than how you're reading it, and is what matters here. The text of that bill could be the unabomber manifesto punctuated with a goatse, and only Congress would have the ability to do something about it. A prosecution of a legislator by the executive for the content of a bill cannot happen. e: and that is very much a feature, not a bug. eviltastic has issued a correction as of 01:44 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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evilweasel posted:That would literally be unconstitutional: That's only for the federal legislative bodies, the House of Congress and the United States Senate. It's up to the states' individual constitutions to use the "speech or debate" exemption and most do, but, if pressed, it's a Supreme Court case then and "Fed trumps State" tends to be the increasing motto of the land. So, fuuuuuuuuuuck state legislatures. I mean, the Fugitive Slave Clause is still under Article IV, Section 2, but we aren't loving bound to follow that now.
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Young Freud posted:That's only for the federal legislative bodies, the House of Congress and the United States Senate. It's up to the states' individual constitutions to use the "speech or debate" exemption and most do, but, if pressed, it's a Supreme Court case then and "Fed trumps State" tends to be the increasing motto of the land. So, fuuuuuuuuuuck state legislatures. http://chaffetz.house.gov/
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The legislation I linked to is federal, introduced by utah's four congressional representatives. It's not against the law to propose terrible bad legislation, they're just assholes for doing it. I didn't mean to imply they're criminals, just assholes. The only legislators that could potentially face criminal liability over any of those are ones who directly participated in the standoffs, like Fiore camping out at the Bundy ranch for a week in 2014 or Matt Shea acting as their representative at Malheur. Their actions are what they would be charged for, not any legislative thing they did. For what it's worth I think it is really unlikely any elected official gets charged with anything. The boundary between a politician advocating policy and being a participant in a crime is fuzzy, especially when their participation was primarily talking not gunslinging. It would just make an already complex (but overwhelming) case messier than it needs to be.
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For those who were curious, the previously censored name from indictments has been revealed, along with the why.quote:A Montana man accused of disturbing a sacred Burns Paiute archeological site by using heavy equipment to dig a giant latrine for protesters became the 26th person charged publicly in the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
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Shawna Cox, one of the Malheur occupiers currently out on bail, on the Jake Ryan situation: https://m.facebook.com/shawna.cox.961/posts/948151311959173?pnref=story Nothing to see here, just a person on bail for one standoff trying to coordinate participants for a new standoff to protect one of her co-conspirators from the first standoff from arrest. JUST THE GOOD OLE BOYS DIDNT MEAN NO HARM
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What if I were a state representative and I purposely published state secrets in a bill along with my pricing scheme for selling my votes and some child pornography?
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