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emanresu tnuocca posted:That theme is so persistent in Dany's plot you kinda have to assume it's part of the message GRRM is trying to convey with her character, there is very little Dany has personally done or came up with that led to her success and stature. It's mostly the universe\karma\magic\dragons out of nowhere or secret instructions imparted upon her through visions and telepathy. Her crowning personal achievement was basically to gently caress Drogo when she's on top, everything else was either a coincidence or someone else doing the heavy lifting. The way/scene that she acquired the Unsullied in was pretty great. Maybe she cashed in all her badass at once though.
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Armyman25 posted:Why are people using spoiler tags in the spoiler thread? I don't care one way or the other, but for the first five years, the "spoiler" thread was really the "I read the books" thread, so we could discuss stuff in the context of the whole series. This is the first time that there are actual spoilers that bookreaders aren't going to know about in advance, so using spoiler tags is just being considerate to the bookreaders here who may not want to know about the new season, which might be getting into unexplored territory.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The way/scene that she acquired the Unsullied in was pretty great. Maybe she cashed in all her badass at once though. Dany pulled some really clever maneuvers after that as well. Getting that one free company super drunk and then attacking them right after was pretty clutch.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:20
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I also like how she dealt with the emissary at yunkai or wherever that offered her gold and ships to leave.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:24
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Is there even a point to having two separate threads anymore? Even if there are bits from AFFC and ADWD included in this season, there really aren't any huge spoilers left now that Jon is "dead". Maybe Varys killing Pycelle and Kevan but who even knows if that will still happen.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:28
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Holy crap I stumbled on this thread by accident again and saw those spoilers about the upside down X. Ive never been more excited for a season since the Mountain vs Viper
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Armyman25 posted:Why are people using spoiler tags in the spoiler thread? I included them in my post out of courtesy? It felt like one thing to spoil a single plot detail, or post the link to the doc, but that was a summary of every plotline this season. I think that, unless TWOW is published between this season and the next, the spoiler/nonspoiled threads will naturally evolve into show-spoiled/nonspoiled. But right now, that's still ambiguous.
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Mar 17, 2016 17:14
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King of Foolians posted:What is the deal with actors playing roles that they know nothing about? I totally get it's not reasonable to expect the actor to read all ASOIAF the books to get the subtle nuances of the part they are playing, but apparently all Stephen Dillane was told about Stannis (after he went out of his way to ask), was that he was a man who "had won some battles".? Some of the actors read the books but the creators of the show advised them not to as many characters are wildly different from the books so it could interfere with their peformance. For example Barristan's actor had read the books so he was annoyed to find out he was going to be killed off early in the season without getting to do his POV chapters. I agree that I don't see why they didn't just write a short paragraph explaining the important stuff but maybe they thought making the actor confused and annoyed would help him play Stannis. It's just a job. King of Foolians posted:How hard would it have been to hire a nerd sperglord to come on set for one day and just sit down with the actors and explain the characters in-depth, especially for the actors that will be expected to play these characters for several years? "My name is Stephen Dillane and I play "Stannis Baratheon" the Lord of Dragonstone but I'm actually Rhaegar Targaryen under a glamour." This almost happened. From the first mountain's website:  It's a shame that we missed out on Gregor trying to eat the Hound's brains.
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Mar 17, 2016 17:40
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Bryan Cogman is a nerd sperglord who was hired partly due to his ocd like knowledge of ASOIAF, d&d are also intimately familiar with the source material. If the actors are not coached on their roles it's not due to the absence of nerds.
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meristem posted:https://drive.google.com/open?id=13m92zm2jETuKlKNj7KVMFtO-Bmwj2HQR7N6y_wBoRWM Thanks for the update!
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colonel_korn posted:Is there even a point to having two separate threads anymore? Even if there are bits from AFFC and ADWD included in this season, there really aren't any huge spoilers left now that Jon is "dead". Maybe Varys killing Pycelle and Kevan but who even knows if that will still happen. Maybe the hardcore book readers will try to make their own unsullied spoiler free thread. They're probably not that naive, but god I hope so.
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drat, these history and lore videos are great. I appreciate that Martin was trying to keep the realism going and it wouldn't be realistic to have characters tell stories everyone already knows, but it's nice to just see how it goes First Men -> Andals -> Valyrians. Or even something as simple as what the Battle of the Bells was.
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Don't forget the Rhoynar. That makes four migrant waves, with some saying Dany will lead the Fifth Great Migration. Actually, it'd be the Sixth, if the settling of the free folk and new houses like the Karhold Thenns stick.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Maybe the hardcore book readers will try to make their own unsullied spoiler free thread. They're probably not that naive, but god I hope so. The hardcore book readers gave up a long time ago and will probably be watching the show.
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The Guest posted:Alternatively they filmed a rape scene unintentionally so this could all be completely unintentional It's going to be Podrick Payne and the other will be Podrick's dick..
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Mar 18, 2016 17:38
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Armyman25 posted:Why are people using spoiler tags in the spoiler thread? I hope not. Ramsay is too stupid to outwit Roose, although 20 good men show Ramsay is the chosen one and will probably pull some bullshit
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Mar 21, 2016 22:58
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I just finished watching this breakdown of the trailer. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lHTcr3bM59o The author also believes that Roose and Walda are the ones being burned. I'm in general agreement with most other points, so I can kinda see that happening.
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Mar 21, 2016 23:23
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If I were on the opposing army and saw that Ramsey had flayed Roose I wouldn't be intimidated, I'd be relieved that the finest military commander in the North is now dead and his retard son is now leading his army. How is this supposed to go over exactly? Ramsey "hehe now you see how vicious I am now that I'm in charge!" Jon Targaryan: "ok, why should I care?"
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Mar 22, 2016 01:16
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I were on the opposing army and saw that Ramsey had flayed Roose I wouldn't be intimidated, I'd be relieved that the finest military commander in the North is now leading his army. FTFY Ramsay Bolton and his Good Men are our only real hope against the White Walkers.
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Frosted Flake posted:I just finished watching this breakdown of the trailer. I like her little gotcha about the burning man being Davos. It was meant to be clever, but it got me thinking that they might still salvage Davos' story from Dance: Davos goes to see Shireen's pyre, gets captured by one of the Bolton's bannermen (a Manderley), and they use Davos to go find Rickon. Similar to the book, they kill a look-alike and that's what ends up on the Bolton cross in the preview. Probably not, but if they're aiming for any sort of similarity with one of the cooler parts of Dance, it wouldn't be bad to go with.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I were on the opposing army and saw that Ramsey had flayed Roose I wouldn't be intimidated, I'd be relieved that the finest military commander in the North is now dead and his retard son is now leading his army. What makes Roose Bolton the finest military commander in the North? He's good at sending the men of other Lords on suicide missions so he weakens them while retaining his own power, but that's almost more political scheming than it is military tactics or strategy. I mean, it's clever, but to be the finest military commander in the North I think you need more on your resume than "good at losing battles on purpose".
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Frosted Flake posted:I just finished watching this breakdown of the trailer. That was a really great video, she makes some awesome points. I always enjoy when predictors use real world knowledge like "started following each other on Twitter" and just basic loving knowledge on how television is produced. Wild speculation about ASOIAF is fantastic, but GOT has a budget and filming limitations. Definitely bought her analysis on Yara replacing Victarion and heading to Essos. It's an interesting idea if that's what the show goes with.
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Frosted Flake posted:I just finished watching this breakdown of the trailer. I tried to watch this despite it being an hour long but I had to turn it off after 5 minutes at the most because I couldn't stand her voice or how condescending she sounded. I'm also not a book reader but why would Ramsey burn his father? Like, if someone burnt your land's leader/lord that you swore fealty to wouldn't you I dunno be like what the gently caress gently caress this guy?
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Mar 23, 2016 19:01
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Boris Galerkin posted:I tried to watch this despite it being an hour long but I had to turn it off after 5 minutes at the most because I couldn't stand her voice or how condescending she sounded. I'm also not a book reader but why would Ramsey burn his father? Like, if someone burnt your land's leader/lord that you swore fealty to wouldn't you I dunno be like what the gently caress gently caress this guy? The writers treat Ramsay like a god and reality kind of bends around him, a lot of it doesn't make sense. I don't think it's Roose but after last season I have to consider Ramsay publicly torturing his dad/lord and not being immediately killed a thing that could actually happen. Do we know it's the Boltons doing it? When Jon comes back he might be a more ruthless character like Stoneheart and willing to flay then burn Roose after the battle, since he killed his brother. Targaryens and the Red Priests burn their enemies so that could also be a change in his character, flaying him first for irony. Maybe so he doesn't come back as a wight. One cross for Roose and one for Ramsay. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Ague Proof posted:The writers treat Ramsay like a god and reality kind of bends around him, a lot of it doesn't make sense. I don't think it's Roose but after last season I have to consider Ramsay publicly torturing his dad/lord and not being immediately killed a thing that could actually happen. Its almost certainly the Boltons that are flaying and burning people. Snowbowl is going to end with Ramsay standing over a once-again-dead Jon Snow and he'll become the hero against the Others we deserve.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:38
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Is there any particular reason why we aren't assuming it's theon burning? Missing fingers, we know he runs into Bolton men again, seems legit to me
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MC Eating Disorder posted:Is there any particular reason why we aren't assuming it's theon burning? Missing fingers, we know he runs into Bolton men again, seems legit to me Thought he was gonna be at the King's Moop. Would be pretty hilarious if he went, reclaimed his identity fully, and then marched off to get captured by Ramsay again. It's like poetry. Everything rhymes.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I tried to watch this despite it being an hour long but I had to turn it off after 5 minutes at the most because I couldn't stand her voice or how condescending she sounded. I'm also not a book reader but why would Ramsey burn his father? Like, if someone burnt your land's leader/lord that you swore fealty to wouldn't you I dunno be like what the gently caress gently caress this guy? Having Ramsay turn on Roose is not exactly crazy, and there are reasons to suspect it might happen in the books. We know that Ramsay is reckless, and grasps at any chance of advancement he gets no matter how unwise (such as his move to take Hornwood). Ramsay killed his half-brother, Domeric, and Roose expects him to kill any children Walda has to prevent a rival claim. So it seems completely believable that Ramsay will get frustrated waiting for Roose to die and give him his due and take some steps to speed things along. As for the 'gently caress this guy' thing, well, kind of. House Bolton is a messed up house, and it's vassals follow it out of fear as much as anything else. Flaying is a house tradition, and Roose is pretty hosed up, he is just more discrete than Ramsay is about it. If Ramsay is opportunistic and finds an excuse for it (accuse Roose of planning to betray the crown, I dunno) the vassals might hesitate to move against him immediately. Feudally speaking, overthrowing your lord is a serious thing that people don't do lightly - it's not just about 'do I like this guy', its the basis for feudal society. You can see this with how people handle similar situations. Like Roose straight up betrayed the Starks, but people will still accept him as the Warden and the ones who move against him do so very carefully. Surprise Twist answer: The burning body is actually Ramsay, but the immortal skinchanger that leads House Bolton is planning to flay him and take his skin and identity to continue its rule.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I tried to watch this despite it being an hour long but I had to turn it off after 5 minutes at the most because I couldn't stand her voice or how condescending she sounded. I'm also not a book reader but why would Ramsey burn his father? Like, if someone burnt your land's leader/lord that you swore fealty to wouldn't you I dunno be like what the gently caress gently caress this guy? Some men just want to watch the Roose burn.
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I still can't believe they thought it was a good idea to play the "I just need 20 good men" plan straight and have it succeed. The entire food supply, literal tonnes of food, for a thousands strong army. Covered and guarded and while it was snowing. No one saw them, they destroyed the food with fire.
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No leeches - not roose
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Cirofren posted:I still can't believe they thought it was a good idea to play the "I just need 20 good men" plan straight and have it succeed. The entire food supply, literal tonnes of food, for a thousands strong army. Covered and guarded and while it was snowing. No one saw them, they destroyed the food with fire. It was such bullshit that even the characters pointed out how ridiculous it was.
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In It For The Tank posted:It was such bullshit that even the characters pointed out how ridiculous it was. Stannis didn't even capture one good man for interrogation. Ramsay won in every way possible.
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Maybe Roose dies trying to defend Walda? It would be a nice redemption for the rotten gently caress to sacrifice himself for his wife and unborn kid. If I remeber right, book Roose quite likes book Walda.
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Ashcans posted:Surprise Twist answer: The burning body is actually Ramsay, but the immortal skinchanger that leads House Bolton is planning to flay him and take his skin and identity to continue its rule. This is some serious straw grasping, but would be hilarious if they went this way.
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Cirofren posted:I still can't believe they thought it was a good idea to play the "I just need 20 good men" plan straight and have it succeed. The entire food supply, literal tonnes of food, for a thousands strong army. Covered and guarded and while it was snowing. No one saw them, they destroyed the food with fire. The part that gets me is the Golden Company is supposed to be a bunch of professional mercenaries. None of them thought to bring winter coats when they were landing North of the Wall and heading south?
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Armyman25 posted:The part that gets me is the Golden Company is supposed to be a bunch of professional mercenaries. None of them thought to bring winter coats when they were landing North of the Wall and heading south? lovely planning is a thing IRL that has doomed or damaged many a campaign. Napoleon forgot his jacket on the way to Russia, as did Hitler; American soldiers were freezing in Bastone, in Korea or at Valley Forge. Even Hannibal forgot to plan for the cold of the Alps. Reductionistic examples, perhaps, but those were (mostly) professional armies that suffered moderate to severe cold weather attrition and mercenaries were even more of a logistical poo poo show, often living off of what they could steal. Coming from Essos, would they even own clothing appropriate for the north? E: and yes, I know the revolutionary army and Hannibal were not true professional armies but whatever it sounds good. Yudo fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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I think we might get to see through Melisandre's glamour in the first episode. A couple little teaser articles I read today said there's something cool and interesting for Melisandre in the first episode that ISN'T the thing everyone thinks is going to happen (Jon's resurrection).
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Yudo posted:lovely planning is a thing IRL that has doomed or damaged many New thread title?
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kater posted:New thread title? Eh, my vote is still for "It's just tits and dragons"
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