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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? The Expanse series?
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? Kim Stanley Robinson's 2312 (and he sort of gets there with the Mars Trilogy, I guess). Also seconding The Expanse series, as mentioned above
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Mar 22, 2016 04:08
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? against a dark background, with the caveat that it's a fictional solar system.
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Mar 22, 2016 04:49
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Solitair posted:Butler herself kept Survivor from being reprinted with the other Patternmaster books because she became ashamed of its basic premise. Here's a review with more details. You can probably make up your mind about it with that. Cool, thanks. I just finished Patternmaster and will probably leave it there. It's almost a shame I found Wild Seed the best in the series, because it made every other one a bit of a let down.
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Mar 22, 2016 07:22
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it?
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Mar 22, 2016 07:37
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? "The Quiet War" by Paul McCauley fits that description. It starts a bit slow and has a bit to much biology infodumping but it really picks up about 1/4 way in.
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Mar 22, 2016 09:33
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? the quantum thief and its sequels by hannu rajaniemi the golden age series by john c wright both are very dense with cool sci-fi ideas and flights of imagination and imagery. cool stuff. they're quite far in the future, if that makes a difference.
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Mar 22, 2016 09:35
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Friends don't let friends read John C. Wright.
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Mar 22, 2016 10:01
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pseudorandom name posted:Friends don't let friends read John C. Wright. He's crazy, but his books ain't bad. And The Golden Age was written before he went really crazy.
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He's always been crazy, The Golden Age is Randian ubermench "A is A" bullshit written during his militant atheism phase, he made a 180° turn to militant Catholicism almost immediately after the trilogy was published
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Mar 22, 2016 10:07
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*shrug* Still a decent read, though.
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Mar 22, 2016 10:10
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johnsonrod posted:"The Quiet War" by Paul McCauley fits that description. It starts a bit slow and has a bit to much biology infodumping but it really picks up about 1/4 way in. I remember this now. This is the one where the one PoV woman terraforms a place, then has to flee because of a military 'intervention' by 'her' side and falls in with the (now former) locals. Then she helps terraform the colony they land at, before they have to flee from another invasion, at which point she and her new cast of rejects go on to terraform yet another new home. Then in the sequel, she terraforms like five more goddamn habitats, each time because she had to flee from the last one before someone came and shot them. Highly recommended if you can't get enough of someone terraforming yet another hollowed-out comet because, hey, it's Tuesday, time to throw everything back in the space pod, move to an even more isolated rear end-end corner of the solar system than before, and slather vacuum organism cultures all over everything then spend twenty pages watching them grow. (It fits the criteria, sure, but by the sixth repetition of the same basic plot element i really wished he would just get the hell on with it.  )
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Mar 22, 2016 11:14
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pseudorandom name posted:He's always been crazy, The Golden Age is Randian ubermench "A is A" bullshit written during his militant atheism phase, he made a 180° turn to militant Catholicism almost immediately after the trilogy was published Militant Catholicism is chill and much more interesting than whatever most sc fi writers believe in all day long
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Mar 22, 2016 13:06
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John c wright is the opposite of chill and his books are flaming poo poo heaps to boot
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Mar 22, 2016 13:24
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Neurosis posted:the quantum thief and its sequels by hannu rajaniemi I was going to recommend this one as well. Really, I'll take any chance to recommend The Quantum Thief.
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Mar 22, 2016 14:44
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Solitair posted:Butler herself kept Survivor from being reprinted with the other Patternmaster books because she became ashamed of its basic premise. Here's a review with more details. You can probably make up your mind about it with that. That is poor. I guess it just reinforces the fact that even the great authors can still lay a wet one from time to time.
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andrew smash posted:John c wright is the opposite of chill and his books are flaming poo poo heaps to boot
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XBenedict posted:That is poor. I guess it just reinforces the fact that even the great authors can still lay a wet one from time to time. In Octavia Butler's case, the Patternist series is her earliest long-form work, and they were also published out of order. Patternmaster was the first, and the most by-the-numbers SFF story of the bunch, almost like she was working to get approval by the establishment before bringing in her own POV. Mind of my Mind was the second, and it's kind of weak. Survivor was the third. Then she took a break from it to write Kindred, where she definitely found her stride, and wrote Wild Seed directly after—and you can tell. It's amazing. Clay's Ark, being the last, seems like she'd grown sick of the series by then, but wanted to humanize the Clayarks, for the record. It's makes reading them in order jarring though, because they're treated like beasts in Patternmaster, ruthlesly slaughtered with little thought by the main characters, retrocactively making the characters you're supposed to sympathize with even more monstrous. The whole series suffers from that, such as Emma/Anyanwu being carelessly cast aside in Mind of my Mind after being such a beautifully fleshed out character in Wild Seed.
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A human heart posted:Militant Catholicism is chill and much more interesting than whatever most sc fi writers believe in all day long You might expect that, but Wright is somehow more obnoxious now than he was as an Objectivist.
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Silver2195 posted:You might expect that, but Wright is somehow more obnoxious now than he was as an Objectivist. Really high quality Catholic writing wrestles with the meaning of faith and doubt in an intellectually tough way -- see The Swallow for an example in SF, or Graham Greene for a more literary take. From what I've seen of Wright he just had a religious vision after a seizure and now is as militantly obnoxious as any Internet athiest, just with religion. There's no doubt or complexity, just Faith Or Else.
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? John Varley's Eight Worlds series.
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Rabid Puppies 4's slate is out: http://file770.com/?p=28115quote:BEST SHORT STORY
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? I remember "Bloom" by Wil McCarthy as being pretty good, at least by the standards of "hard sf".
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quote:Space Raptor Butt Invasion, Chuck Tingle, Amazon Digital Services That's it, I'm done. *flips table*
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DACK FAYDEN posted:He's a total rear end in a top hat but I did really enjoy the Golden Age trilogy. Would never touch the rest of his stuff and wouldn't recommend it without reservations, but parts of it - like the AIs and Marshal Atkins - were a very good settnig. While I agree with you on what Wright is like as a person, I'd strongly recommend his Count to a Trillion series, if you enjoyed The Golden Age. It's more ludicrously imaginative sci-fi with some really cool imagery. Humans discover some big dumb object in space which has scientific knowledge on it. Decrypting it signals to some alien hegemony that a civilisation has achieved a sufficient amount of complexity to warrant being enslaved. The protagonist wants to fight the hegemony, while the rest of the crew want to serve as honoured slaves. They return to Earth and take over. The next several thousand years is the crew, now posthuman, warring over which image of humanity should prevail in anticipation of the arrival of the aliens, with them remaking humanity into utterly fantastic new versions century by century. Really fun stuff. Has some eye-rolling Catholic bullshit here and there but it doesn't overwhelm the work. City on the Edge of Forever, about a society made up of time travellers, is a decent read as well - 4 or maybe 5 short stories in there, I think. His Awake in the Night Land collection is also really good if you've read William Hope Hodgson's Night Land book, or the James Stoddard rewrite, except for maybe the last story which arguably is too distinctly Christian (although ironically it was written when he was an atheist), and requires you to have read or at least be familiar with House on the Borderlands. I wouldn't touch any of his fantasy stuff, though. The War of the Dreaming is tolerable and kind of funny at times but Orphans of Chaos is shiiiiiiiit.
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A human heart posted:Militant Catholicism is chill and much more interesting than whatever most sc fi writers believe in all day long Go read his essay on Terry Pratchett and assisted suicide and report back to us with your thoughts.
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? Rendezvous with Rama?
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fritz posted:I remember "Bloom" by Wil McCarthy as being pretty good, at least by the standards of "hard sf". Now that you mention McCarthy, To Crush the Moon and The Collapsium are both intrasolar hard SF. Also CJ Cherryh, Heavy Time
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it?
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occamsnailfile posted:Also CJ Cherryh, Heavy Time Heavy Time (and its immediate sequel Hellburner; these days they're often sold as an omnibus called Devil to the Belt) are both set entirely in the solar system, but well after humanity has colonized other systems; Hellburner in particular is about the weapons development program as the Earth government gears up for the imminent war with the distant colonies that reject its authority.
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occamsnailfile posted:Now that you mention McCarthy, To Crush the Moon and The Collapsium are both intrasolar hard SF. That's true, but I didn't mention them because I didn't think they were very good.
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? The Owner series by Asher  coyo7e posted:The Expanse, although some goons will fight you to prove how much they hate having Holden Cauffield as the ship captain because someone being a knee-jerk idealist goonlord really, really upsets them. More that he is boring as gently caress.
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ToxicFrog posted:Heavy Time (and its immediate sequel Hellburner; these days they're often sold as an omnibus called Devil to the Belt) are both set entirely in the solar system, but well after humanity has colonized other systems; Hellburner in particular is about the weapons development program as the Earth government gears up for the imminent war with the distant colonies that reject its authority. I never read Hellburner, but I had forgotten entirely about the extrasolar colonization things. It's been quite a while since I read it.
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coyo7e posted:The Expanse, although some goons will fight you to prove how much they hate having Holden Cauffield as the ship captain because someone being a knee-jerk idealist goonlord really, really upsets them. Too much like looking in a mirror
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Cardiac posted:More that he is boring as gently caress.
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the trump tutelage posted:Are there any good sci-fi books that take place at a time when humans have colonized the solar system but haven't yet spread beyond it? The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester.
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pseudorandom name posted:Go read his essay on Terry Pratchett and assisted suicide and report back to us with your thoughts. Why would I want to do that
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occamsnailfile posted:
Yup, but the society depicted in Heavy Time is interstellar. It belongs to the Alliance-Union universe, and it is probably the firts story in cronological order. Also the immediate sequel, Hellburner, will give a boner to any hard space SF nerd.
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There's one or two Revelation Space short stories that are pre-interstellar travel and are pretty great. They're both in Galactic North.
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A human heart posted:Why would I want to do that Because you're the one saying he's chill as gently caress and it's all cool.
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