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MonoAus
Nov 5, 2012
Then again, if Abbott won by virtue of not being Labor then it's at least possible Shorten could win by not being Liberal.

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birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
In my assessment Labor aren't ready on either a campaign operations level or at the leader/parliamentary level.

The ground game will vary place-to-place, but there has been very little follow up of their initial success in places like tax policy.

Consider the absolute garbage that Turnbull was able to say on 7.30 last night. "Lowering the CGT discount would smash investment." Rubbish.
  • Companies don't get access to the CGT discount, so it's a non-issue for them.
  • For typical sole traders, depreciation is much more relevant than CGT. So very few people set up businesses looking to make money from capital gains, it's a non issue.

And this leaves to one side the lack of any reason why income from capital gains should be taxed concessionally at all vis-a-vis income from labour.

The whole LNP position is to keep house prices high for boomers, don't let them keep on this crap about other investments.

Point is that nobody from the ALP (or the left generally tbh) has to this point taken down the LNP's counter argument. To use a debating term, they "have the initiative" at this point, and they have other narratives and a budget to help too.

Add to this the MSM will fall in and say "MT deserves another term to see what he can really do" and I just can't see people throwing out the government.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

At least Labor can also campaign on no changes to Medicare - that should hopefully galvanise a few folks.

What gets me is how misrepresented the Senate Electoral changes are - from Q&A last night you'd think they were eliminating independents altogether, rather than forcing them to actual get in with votes.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
*faaaaarrttttt*

Guardian AU posted:

Coalition considers plan to merge climate bodies and fund them with loans
Exclusive: Cabinet committee to review plan to combine Clean Energy Finance Corporation and Arena – agencies that Abbott government had sought to abolish

The Turnbull government is considering a plan to combine two major climate bodies – the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) and the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (Arena) – with both to be financed by borrowings rather than from federal budget allocations.

The option – to be considered by the expenditure review committee of cabinet as soon as Tuesday – would provide some certainty to the organisations after the Abbott government sought to abolish them, and then to ban the CEFC from wind farm investments and to cut Arena’s funding and make no new appointments to its board.

Soon after his election in 2013 Abbott said: “The Coalition does not support the CEFC nor its expenditure of $10bn of borrowed money on projects that the private sector deems too risky to invest in” and former treasurer Joe Hockey labelled the CEFC a “giant $10bn slush fund”.

The legislation to abolish the CEFC has been twice rejected by the Senate and is, technically, a double dissolution trigger, but Malcolm Turnbull said on Monday he would not use the bill as a trigger and the government has indicated it will keep the CEFC in some form.

After Turnbull became prime minister the anti-wind farm directive was softened to a request that the CEFC focus on “offshore wind technologies” as well as cities and the built environment. The environment minister, Greg Hunt, has said abolishing the investment bank is still the government’s “long-term” policy but was not likely to pass the Senate.

The CEFC was always been “off balance sheet” – set up as part of the former Labor government’s carbon pricing package effectively as a bank to finance, at commercial rates, proven clean energy projects that the major banks were not funding.

Arena has been funded by the budget and provides grants to emerging renewable technologies.

In its first budget, the Abbott government announced it would axe Arena, but in a deal with the Palmer United party to get its Direct Action climate policy through the Senate, announced it would keep the agency, but cut or defer almost $1bn of its funding.

The terms of all appointed board members of Arena have now expired and they have not been replaced, leaving it governed by the secretary of the Department of the Environment.

Hunt has said the new Office of Climate Change and Renewables Innovation, inside the Department of the Environment, “will bring a fresh focus to the role of innovation in supporting emerging renewable and low emissions technologies that will drive down emissions”.

Why finance anything? Why not make every government body run off borrowed funds!

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
i wish u guys were dead :(

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Greg Hunt is the biggest fucktard of them all. At least Dutton is a moron. Hunt is a god-drat puppet.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Orkin Mang posted:

i wish u guys were dead :(

:same:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Bill Shorten might be good at the televised debates though because Turdball suffers from Ruddism of using big words with no meaning.

He had a presser this morning and kept using the catch phrase "continuity and change” the gently caress does that mean Turdball. Were your focus groups high?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Anidav posted:

Bill Shorten might be good at the televised debates though because Turdball suffers from Ruddism of using big words with no meaning.

He had a presser this morning and kept using the catch phrase "continuity and change"; the gently caress does that mean Turdball. Were your focus groups high?

It's literally his current conundrum in a three word slogan.

Dan
Nov 26, 2002

Victim of reality

Anidav posted:

He had a presser this morning and kept using the catch phrase "continuity and change" the gently caress does that mean Turdball. Were your focus groups high?

The focus testers must have surely just been having a laugh, because was intentionally used as a mean-nothing slogan used by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in Veep. Can't make this poo poo up.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-22/turnbull-shares-continuity-and-change-slogan-with-veep/7265992

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Australia has too many elections we should have 5 year parliaments like the UK.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Negligent posted:

Australia has too many elections we should have 5 year parliaments like the UK.

5 year parliaments? Wow, I can't wait to have five different Prime Ministers in that time!

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Negligent posted:

Australia has too many elections we should have 5 year parliaments like the UK.

Nope, shorter the better. Especially Federally.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Porkgate II: council staff grilled over pork to halal sausage ratios


Despite being in the middle of an illegal asbestos dumping scandal and losing their CEO last night (Monday), Liverpool City councillors still found time at recent meetings to quarrel over the number of pork and halal sausages bought for a community barbecue and why the halal sausages were cooked first.

Liberal Councillor Peter Ristevski raised the burning issues in questions at an ordinary council meeting last month, grilling council staff on why the halal snags were barbecued first and asking for a breakdown of the type and volume of each sausage purchased.

The council’s shopping list for the free Kurrajong Road Community Barbecue in December last year was: 300 vegetarian patties, 650 halal beef sausage and 50 pork sausages and the food was cooked on three barbecues.

Mr Ristevski complained that too many halal sausages had been ordered and too few pork.

He told Government News that although the issue might appear trivial, he had been contacted by many of his constituents who felt that their Orthodox Christian religion had been sidelined in favour of Islam.

He said that Mayor Ned Mannoun, a fellow Liberal party councillor, had “disrespected other religions” and that he was attempting “a complete Islamisation of the city.”

“The mayor disrespected the entire Orthodox Christian community. He monopolised the barbecue. Heaps of people complained. Not everyone likes to eat halal sausages. They have a different taste.”

Mr Ristevski said he had been accused of being a racist just for asking questions about the food cooked at the barbecue.

When council staff addressed the councillor’s inquiries they replied that the standard order for council barbecue events had always been beef sausages and vegetable patties because the area had a high proportion of Arabic and Indian families and beef sausages were cheaper than pork.

“The fact that we have never previously had a request for pork sausage at a free BBQ indicating that pork eaters will eat beef (and therefore again, keeping our costs to the ratepayer lower),” said the response.

“To ensure that pork was available to anyone who requested it, they were held aside to be cooked on request. As the event was such a success all sausages and patties of all varieties were cooked and consumed.”

But Mr Ristevski said the Liverpool area had a higher proportion of Orthodox Christians than Muslims and halal sausages did not need to be cooked on each of the three barbecues.

Asked how many halal sausages were left over and how many pork sausages were left over council staff said: “all sausages were happily and gratefully consumed by members of the public.”

The sausage stoush has made the council a target of ridicule on Facebook. Comments on the Facebook page, ‘Boycott Halal in Australia? No way’ include: “Don’t let Cory Bernardi get a whiff of this. He’ll order another enquiry (sic).”

Another commented: “If he wanted them (sic) pork sausages by platefuls he should have done the shopping himself. Why are council money and work time wasted for this? Liverpool streets are shonky and they need to look at fixing potholes and broken curbs (sic) for what they are paid for.”

Making full use of three letter acronyms (TLA’s) one wag said: “Lol … OMG! It’s a bloody sausage! Halal or pork. No one should eat them!”

It is not the first time that Liverpool Council has made headlines over the volume of pork on ratepayers’ forks.

A Christian Orthodox interfaith lunch held at Liverpool Catholic Club in August last year managed to offend both the Christian Orthodox community and Hindus. The Christians were aggrieved because a traditional Macedonian pork dish was left off the menu and Hindus were upset because beef was left on.

The upshot was that pork went back on the menu, the beef went back in the fridge and chicken and vegetarian were last minute menu additions.

The lunch also caused controversy because it cost ratepayers $47,000 to feed almost 600 guests at the Christian Orthodox lunch, triple the food bill of the council’s If tar Interfaith dinner the month before.

Pork was added to the council’s standard order following a council resolution in August last year.


http://www.governmentnews.com.au/2016/03/23402/

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Pork sausages are gross anyway.

Term limits only matter because politicians can do whatever they want with virtually no accountability until the next election. We could have 100 year terms and it wouldn't matter if there was a mechanism whereby you could tell them to gently caress off.

Majestic
Mar 19, 2004

Don't listen to us!

We're fuckwits!!

Cleretic posted:

For what it's worth, they both took it really well.

Great stuff, and good on you for finding the courage. Hopefully as time goes on, it will stop being something that requires courage.

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS

open24hours posted:

Pork sausages are gross anyway.

Term limits only matter because politicians can do whatever they want with virtually no accountability until the next election. We could have 100 year terms and it wouldn't matter if there was a mechanism whereby you could tell them to gently caress off.

Yeah, anyone who won't eat a beef sausage just because it's halal is an idiot baby.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

5 year parliaments? Wow, I can't wait to have five different Prime Ministers in that time!

PM's got replaced because their parties were afraid of losing the next election just around the corner. 5 year terms would solve that.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Or if the Coalition implemented a variation of Ruddkips Rules.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I think I'd rather sit through loving annoying campaigning every three years than the soul crushing reality of waiting five to hopefully oust a poo poo party.

10 years of liberals with only one election to tell them to gently caress off is ridiculous.

It's not like there's a good party we'd like to remain in the job for longer, just mediocre and poo poo.

Nibbles!
Jun 26, 2008

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please
Not everyone likes to eat halal sausages. They have a different taste

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

"Hey guys an election might be soon, who should we attack in a quick election winning photoshop?"
*Bill Shorten spins around on his office chair*
"The Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeens"

MEANWHILE
NEWSPOLL
54-46 TO THE COALITION
"I just don't understand what happened to our Primary vote and preference flow!"

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Nibbles! posted:

Not everyone likes to eat halal sausages. They have a different taste
pretty sure all sausages taste different

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Does "deter investment that creates jobs" refer to anything specifically or is it just political white noise?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Nibbles! posted:

Not everyone likes to eat halal sausages. They have a different taste

Jintor
May 19, 2014

apparently bernadi is just abusing people who email him now

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

I'm not surprised. He's disgustingly invincible since he's got the top spot on the Liberal senate's ballot in SA. He can say literally anything he wants and still get in.

Or at least, he's sure as gently caress putting that to the test.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

I posted this poo poo ages ago, on how tenuous some of those links are.

quote:




This kind of format is ripe for abuse, and I'd actually like to see it done with politicians just to see if they think the comparison is fair in any way. First thing to note is that ALL of these links are under links for local organisations that support them, not as direct resources. All of the resources are on their separate page, and appear to be self contained within Safe Schools.

Firstly top right, family planning NSW (seriously?). Of course it has some sexual content, but all is presented in a factual manner, and feature many questions that teenagers may want answers to. Most laughably though, is the "features oral sex information for youth". This actually does exist, although specifically it is the results of a survey regarding what young people know about oral sex, and doesn't even contain advice. It's just a survey with such revelations as, the most common query regarding it was about health and safety regarding STDs. Almost like they could have benefited from a better sex ed program.

Going clockwise, Twenty10, and the claim that they "hosted" an S&M workshop. No idea what that means, but I found no evidence of their involvement in any such thing.

Next is Seahorse Victoria, a transgender support organisation, and the claim that a sex club is a "recommended venue". Firstly, it isn't a recommended venue, it is on a list of trans friendly venues, a list which also contains things like cafes and bars. Secondly, its a fetish club, not a sex club, and I'm no expert but I believe those are not the same thing. The other one on the list is clearly marked as an 18+ website, and you may see, has no even tenuous contact with Safe Schools. It's the same street address as a venue that is trans friendly.

Moving along to Minus18, an LGBT youth group that was behind that ball that got supported by homophobes and everyone lold. Firstly their link to a "gay bar". It isn't a gay bar for starters, it's a hotel that hosts all kinds of LGBT events, called the GH hotel. Also, the "event partner" part of the claim I assume is referring to the fact that one of Minus18's events was there. What was it? An under 21s dance party. Apparently there is a direct link to a sex toy site? I couldn't find it, although the site seems to be pretty massive, it might be there. Lastly is Scarletteen, which appears to pretty much be sex ed aimed at teens, and fairly innocuous.

Oh yeah, and apparently there is an explicit video on youtube (you can report these btw) linked to by workingitout. I couldn't find it. I can't help but feel if this is the extent of the controversy, we're in for a thoroughly uninteresting inquiry.

Ironically, the image posted on twitter is far more explicit than anything I came across.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
You can probably find gay porn 2 or 3 clicks from the Australian Christian lobby website or whatever.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Negligent posted:

You can probably find gay porn 2 or 3 clicks from the Australian Christian lobby website or whatever.

Well they've got a link to facebook on their homepage. I'm sure there's a satanists facebook page.

ACL are satanists??!?

MonoAus
Nov 5, 2012
Someone should make a chart.

ACL ----click---> https://www.google.com.au -----click------> Hardcore gay porn

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-government-gives-nsw-police-right-to-ban-people-from-public-places-20160322-gno8zo.html

quote:

State government gives NSW police right to ban people from public places
Police will be able to ban people from public places and events without a judge's approval as part of a raft of anti-organised crime legislation proposed by the state government.

A bill unveiled by the state government on Tuesday aims to "cripple" organised crime groups by clamping down on their movements, associations and business dealings.

But critics warn the laws could lead to an overreach of police powers.
Deputy Premier and Justice Minister Troy Grant says the changes will make it "quicker and easier" for law enforcement to ...

Deputy Premier and Justice Minister Troy Grant says the changes will make it "quicker and easier" for law enforcement to take action against gangs, including "bikies". Photo: Dallas Kilponen

Under the legislation police will be able to apply to judges for "crime prevention orders" that would stop people involved in serious criminal activity from activities such as using a phone or a computer.

The legislation would introduce "public safety orders" which will give senior police officers the power to ban a person deemed a risk to public safety from a public place or event for 72 hours, a right usually reserved for judges. Breaches of the orders will carry a maximum penalty of five years' imprisonment.

Deputy Premier and Justice Minister Troy Grant said the changes will make it "quicker and easier" for law enforcement to take action against gangs, including "bikies".

"My concern is in relation to the public safety, and not in relation to the sensibility of civil libertarians," Mr Grant said. "[This is a] significant step forward".

The bill introduces other measures including stricter penalties for laundering money or property, with increased sentences of between three and five years in prison if the crime is below or above $100,000. The current sentence is two years in prison.

Substitution orders would force criminals who use someone else's property to commit their crime, such as a car, to pay for damages to that property out of their own pocket.

NSW Greens MLC Jeremy Buckingham said the Greens were concerned that increased police powers may focus on legitimate activities.

"The Greens are very concerned Public Safety Orders can be easily misused by police to stop certain people from attending or taking part in protest activity, such as against coal seam gas or coal mining," Mr Buckingham told Fairfax Media.

The bill comes a week after controversial anti-mining protest laws were passed, putting some protesters at risk of massive fines and seven years' imprisonment for "interfering" with equipment on a mine site. Fines for trespassing were also increased significantly.

NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said the legislation would enhance police powers to fight organised crime.

"The reality of this legislation means we'll be able to be flexible, we'll be able to be nimble in the way we go about those organised crime groups we target and we continue to target today," he said on Tuesday.

Last year Premier Mike Baird introduced similar legislation which allowed police officers, with the aid of the courts, to forbid people from "attending places they may commit a crime".

The NSW Police Association supported the announcement, saying gangs had a devastating impact on individuals, families, businesses and local communities.

"They are deceitful and unscrupulous in their pursuit of money, power or personal gratification through the harm of others – through dealing in drugs, money laundering, aggression and violence," President Scott Weber said.

"Hitting them where it hurts, namely their hip pocket means police can maximise opportunities to restrict and target serious crime. Taking away the assets of criminals also takes away their sense of power."

oh NSW :allears:

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Agile law enforcement

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Lmao so they lock you out of bars then ban you from them if Officer Steve is bored.

You guys make Queensland look like Victoria.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
I once got given a move on order from police while I was waiting for a taxi.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Shorten should poo poo it in if he sticks to demanding the LNP rule stuff out like the GP co-payment, do a Workchoices 2.0 campaign against the ABCC, talk about gay marriage, and most importantly keep bringing up that report on inequality they just released while linking it to the IMF's research showing less inequality leads to better economic growth.

Of course he'll probably just ignore the LNP and go after the Greens at every opportunity for some reason.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Opposition leader everyone ignores attacks political party everyone ignores.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Becoming more and more obvious that Daniel Andrews has federal aspirations imo.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnVRrAyIPgY

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You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Solemn Sloth posted:

Becoming more and more obvious that Daniel Andrews has federal aspirations imo.

While that would be nice, the NSW Labor Right would have a shitfit over this ever happening

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