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The basic question one has to ask is this: did austerity do nothing, or did it make things worse (since the general consensus is that it didn't do much good at all). And yeah, it did make things worse for the sake of politicians pretending that they're doing something about Greece. It'd, honestly, probably be better if they just did nothing and rethought the Eurozone instead, to try and keep this from happening again in the future. As it is, another Greece is more than possible since they didn't do that and instead chanted 'austerity'.
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CrazyLoon posted:The basic question one has to ask is this: did austerity do nothing, or did it make things worse (since the general consensus is that it didn't do much good at all). Pretty much this. We already know austerity will do zilch to actually resolve the situation. Doing nothing will do about the same. Might as well do nothing that make it obvious there's nothing to do by doing something that is probably even less effective than nothing.
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Not again... https://twitter.com/Muschelschloss/status/712178420613062656 "only" injured reported so far, hopefully that won't change.
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https://twitter.com/LaurieHanna/status/712183238916218880 There goes the hope no one died. RIP. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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shrike82 posted:Muslim bombing?
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/LaurieHanna/status/712183238916218880 I'm seeing at least 11 dead on Twitter, NBC saying "several."
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:nsfw: https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/712179940788195328 :nsfw:
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There are reports of another explosion in downtown Brussels, near governmental buildings
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Well, given what we learned about Molenbeek something like this was probably to be expected, with all cells connected to Abdusalam springing into action asap because they fear that their cover is going to get blown.
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Fragrag posted:There are reports of another explosion in downtown Brussels, near governmental buildings Dutch news is saying metrostation.
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They've shut down the entire metro network
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gently caress thats my metrostop. Hope my colleaugues are all fine.
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Whole country has been put on the highest alert level, metro is being shut down (and looks like the trains are coming to a halt too)
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Interesting fact I just learned: Belgium has an agreement with Saudi Arabia since over 30 years to allow Wahhabist preachers to be active in Belgium to get cheaper oil.
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GaussianCopula posted:Interesting fact I just learned: Belgium has an agreement with Saudi Arabia since over 30 years to allow Wahhabist preachers to be active in Belgium to get cheaper oil. Got a source on this?
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shrike82 posted:Got a source on this? http://www.dw.com/en/brussels-great-mosque-and-ties-with-salafism/a-18866998 quote:Belgium's pact with the Saudi king GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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"For years, the official representative body of Belgian mosques, the Muslim Executive in Belgium, has felt that it has been forced to go on the offensive because of the Great Mosque of Brussels. The council intends to reorganize itself by the end of the year in order to counter the Saudi Arabia-controlled mosque." Did this happen?
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Awesome, news saying that a kalashnikov rifle has been found. This will give the EU gun ban new steam to gently caress over legal hobbyists, even though the terrorists in Europe have had pretty much illegal weapons only.
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punakone posted:Awesome, news saying that a kalashnikov rifle has been found. This will give the EU gun ban new steam to gently caress over legal hobbyists, even though the terrorists in Europe have had pretty much illegal weapons only. ......glad you found your source of displeasure from all this.
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CommieGIR posted:......glad you found your source of displeasure from all this. My source of displeasure is that this type of thing happening is even possible in Europe, let alone in the capital of EU. We need to do more back here and abroad that radicalized muslims dont attack people and muslims dont become radicalized. I also dont like that this will be utilized to curb my freedom and restrict my country's ability to conduct self-defense, it must be nice to be rich enough and far away enough from the Russian border to be able to run down your military but Finnish reservists training use mostly self-owned semi-automatic guns and keeping a capable reserve is in the best interest of Finnish defense.
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punakone posted:My source of displeasure is that this type of thing happening is even possible in Europe, let alone in the capital of EU. We need to do more back here and abroad that radicalized muslims dont attack people and muslims dont become radicalized. I also dont like that this will be utilized to curb my freedom and restrict my country's ability to conduct self-defense, it must be nice to be rich enough and far away enough from the Russian border to be able to run down your military but Finnish reservists training use mostly self-owned semi-automatic guns and keeping a capable reserve is in the best interest of Finnish defense. Do you have any reason to believe that would happen or are you just nitpicking a national tragedy to bemoan your gun rights, let alone that you think a small militia with self provided weapons would even cause the Russians to flinch. I don't think you are going to get a chance to relive the Winter War.
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CommieGIR posted:Do you have any reason to believe that would happen or are you just nitpicking a national tragedy to bemoan your gun rights, let alone that you think a small militia with self provided weapons would even cause the Russians to flinch. Following the EU gun ban process, yes, absolutely this will be used, just like the arrests days before we're used. The whole process has been locked due to opposition by countries like Finland and others, and the compromise suggested by the chairman country Netherlands was to ban something, anything, just decide on what to ban, nothing that is based on facts or actual research, just fear and feelings. Besides that, the Finnish constitutional court has already declared earlier when we had our school shootings which led to tightening of gun laws here, that there is no need to tighten them further. And I am just going to laugh at your remark of a small militia, maybe do some research first, or do you consider an army of 230 000 active reservists plus non-active and second tier conscripts to be small? I do not look for a chance to relive Winter War, it is about deterring it, hth.
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punakone posted:Following the EU gun ban process, yes, absolutely this will be used, just like the arrests days before we're used. The whole process has been locked due to opposition by countries like Finland and others, and the compromise suggested by the chairman country Netherlands was to ban something, anything, just decide on what to ban, nothing that is based on facts or actual research, just fear and feelings. Besides that, the Finnish constitutional court has already declared earlier when we had our school shootings which led to tightening of gun laws here, that there is no need to tighten them further. And I am just going to laugh at your remark of a small militia, maybe do some research first, or do you consider an army of 230 000 active reservists plus non-active and second tier conscripts to be small? I do not look for a chance to relive Winter War, it is about deterring it, hth. 230,000 active reservists versus 740k active Russian military and 2 million reservists. Small potatoes dude. And they come armed with actual military weapons, not whatever AK they could scrounge up. But at the end of the day: They are not coming, and here you are whining about your loss of gun rights over a terrorist attack. Its not the time, and its not appropriate.
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GaussianCopula posted:Interesting fact I just learned: Belgium has an agreement with Saudi Arabia since over 30 years to allow Wahhabist preachers to be active in Belgium to get cheaper oil. Brussels, international capital of good ideas.
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CommieGIR posted:230,000 active reservists versus 740k active Russian military and 2 million reservists. You are right, they are not coming, you are almost there understanding my point, why they are not coming, yet you miss, I will give you a hint: it is something to do with the defense forces and their training. But it is alright. And true, in the end bemoaning the gun rights is probably useless, as the ban, even though they will use these attacks, that used illegal guns, as a fuel against legal gun owners, will probably not go through, as it seems most countries are against it and the next EU chair country is also opposing it.
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punakone posted:Awesome, news saying that a kalashnikov rifle has been found. This will give the EU gun ban new steam to gently caress over legal hobbyists, even though the terrorists in Europe have had pretty much illegal weapons only. And here I thought NRA-style idiots who stand on top of the dead to cry about gun control was a distinctive american phenomenon, and this is not even after a mass shooting. Please take this poo poo to either another place, or another time, not here and now.
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punakone posted:You are right, they are not coming, you are almost there understanding my point, why they are not coming, yet you miss, I will give you a hint: it is something to do with the defense forces and their training. But it is alright. And true, in the end bemoaning the gun rights is probably useless, as the ban, even though they will use these attacks, that used illegal guns, as a fuel against legal gun owners, will probably not go through, as it seems most countries are against it and the next EU chair country is also opposing it. HAHA. Got it. Finland is key to holding back the Ruskies. Thank goodness your gun rights stop the hun. Please, stop. You're  'ing over your gun right while other people have lost their lives is petty and disturbing. Give it a couple days before you choose focusing on them finding an AK before you throw your hands in the air and declare all is lost for your precious gun rights.
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CommieGIR posted:HAHA. Got it. Finland is key to holding back the Ruskies. Thank goodness your gun rights stop the hun. You still dont understand, it is okay, I see it is rather useless to try to explain it to you either. YF-23 posted:And here I thought NRA-style idiots who stand on top of the dead to cry about gun control was a distinctive american phenomenon, and this is not even after a mass shooting. Please take this poo poo to either another place, or another time, not here and now. I am sorry, I thought it was okay when inside the EU parliament the speakers were telling the MEPs that those EVIL KALASHNIKOVS are used right at this moment, but I guess standing on top of the dead is okay if it is for your team 
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punakone posted:I am sorry, I thought it was okay when inside the EU parliament the speakers were telling the MEPs that those EVIL KALASHNIKOVS are used right at this moment, but I guess standing on top of the dead is okay if it is for your team Find another time, jackass. Now is not the time. punakone posted:You still dont understand, it is okay, I see it is rather useless to try to explain it to you either. Hey, smug rear end in a top hat. People died and are dying right now. FIND ANOTHER TIME TO BEMOAN YOUR GUN RIGHTS, rear end in a top hat.
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CommieGIR posted:Find another time, jackass. Now is not the time. Absolutely, just hoping the ban advocates do the same in Brussels.
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punakone posted:Absolutely, just hoping the ban advocates do the same in Brussels. And they should. But here you are.
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CommieGIR posted:And they should. But here you are. Just bringing up the tertiary non-issues they are tackling instead of the real problems at hand, what can we do with radicalized muslims and help muslims not become radicalized.
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punakone posted:Just bringing up the tertiary non-issues they are tackling instead of the real problems at hand, what can we do with radicalized muslims and help muslims not become radicalized. Hey, I know exactly where you're coming from. If a personal freedom you have gets removed due to some lovely terrorist attack and in no way a fault of your own, it's always lovely (that kind of poo poo is what makes terrorists actually win, if you ask me), but holy poo poo is your excuse for wanting to have a gun dumb, and possibly more importantly, can you at least wait until such a proposal even exists in the first place? I don't have much faith in this world but even I think nothing is going to happen to your lovely gun collection.
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Isn't the Finnish containment zone thread pretty much meant for this? Take your awful poo poo there. I mean Jesus loving Christ dude, how you manage to take a terrorist attack in Belguim and make it about militias in Finland is beyond me. I'm happy Finland doesn't have a latent terror problem, but it sure as gently caress isn't because the islamists are afraid of a bunch of hillbillies with AKs.
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punakone posted:Just bringing up the tertiary non-issues they are tackling instead of the real problems at hand, what can we do with radicalized muslims and help muslims not become radicalized. Its not the time. Wait until those politicians actually open their mouth.
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