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Captain Magic posted:Guys, I'm pretty sure the answer to all these assholes with a collective persecution complex is more oppression. The word oppression has become meaningless. Their religion is being oppressed... by allowing mosques and even importing preachers from foreign countries and giving them constitutional protection and being very lenient on immigration policy?
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Decebal posted:So the proxy war in Yemen between Saudi Arabia and Iran is a consequence of Western oppression ? Ideology has no role at all ? That particular conflict is way more political than ideological. Iran for instance, armed the Sunni Taliban when it suited their political goals, so it's not like they're staunchly sectarian. KSA and Iran certainly use sectarian rhetoric when it benefits them, but that's not the driver. The bigger issue is that the power structures in the middle east are changing and Iran and KSA are the two biggest countries with the potential to capitalize on it. That's what Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon are about.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:02
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Spangly A posted:I'd like the presumably-Americans in this thread calling out "violent radicals" to remember that Islamic fundamentalists have, worldwide, killed less people than you get through in random gun violence a year. Without singling out Americans in general, I would like this specific community of you to drop the hilarious hypocrisy if you plan to actually communicate with people who aren't complete loving idiots. This is nowhere close to reality. Approximately 33,000 people died due to Islamic terrorism in 2014. In the US, there were approximately 5,000 non-suicide deaths as a result of gun violence (about 60% of gun deaths are suicides).
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Arkane posted:This is nowhere close to reality. drat, so instead of more, it's actually half. Thanks, I feel much better with your argument that only muslims are violent.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:04
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so, who are we bombing/invading next? impotent, spastic rage fit is coming and we'll get some nasty blueballs if we don't bomb someone soon.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:05
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Lotka Volterra posted:What events led up to the creation of the current Iranian regime? And no, I'm not saying ideology has no role, but such divisions don't just appear out of nothing. There are contributing factors. Read Middle East medieval history and the atrocities Ottoman Sultans inflicted on Shia minorities in the empire. Totally motivated by ideology. The Prophet not naming a successor was a big mistake, in my humble opinion
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Mar 22, 2016 16:06
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waitwhatno posted:so, who are we bombing/invading next? impotent, spastic rage fit is coming and we'll get some nasty blueballs if we don't bomb someone soon. I nominate Molenbeek. Raid every single flat in that community and everyone who actively or passively supported the terrorists/ISIS gets punished. Do the same in all other boroughs that have similar problems. R. Mute posted:http://statbel.fgov.be/en/binaries/ac380_nl%5B1%5D_tcm327-113739.pdf Sorry but I only understand German, English and Latin, so these links are of no use to me.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:08
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GaussianCopula posted:I nominate Molenbeek. Raid every single flat in that community and everyone who actively or passively supported the terrorists/ISIS gets punished. Do the same in all other boroughs that have similar problems. Collective punishment with the goal of spreading fear of the government among would-be radicals is workin really well for Egypt, let me tell you.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:10
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Spangly A posted:drat, so instead of more, it's actually half. Thanks, I feel much better with your argument that only muslims are violent. This isn't my argument, but instead what you want my argument to be. Seems like most of your posting is just making random poo poo up and then running with it. Very Trumpian.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:13
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Very nice McCarthyist arguments here. Yeah lets go on nationwide witchhunts, remember only jihadists sink. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Mar 22, 2016 16:13
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Arkane posted:This is nowhere close to reality. You get into murky territory when you start counting a Hausa proxy army as terrorism. Civilian slaughter, sure. Anyway per capita still a really bad number for the US.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:14
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GaussianCopula posted:Sorry but I only understand German, English and Latin, so these links are of no use to me.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:15
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Arkane posted:This isn't my argument, but instead what you want my argument to be. Arkane posted:There's a lot of inequality in the world, but very little violent radicalization outside of Muslim communities. I'll just leave that here GaussianCopula posted:I nominate Molenbeek. Raid every single flat in that community and everyone who actively or passively supported the terrorists/ISIS gets punished. Do the same in all other boroughs that have similar problems. Those three languages combined should give you a fairly solid start with both Flemish and French tbh
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Mar 22, 2016 16:17
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R. Mute posted:They're all reliable sources on discrimination in Belgium. statbel.fgov is the government's statistics site, werk.be is also run by the government I think, UGent is one of the two most respected universities in Belgium, De Standaard is one of its most respected papers and hln is, well, one of the other papers. Ah, but you see, gaussiancopula doesn't speak dutch so to him they might as well not exist
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Mar 22, 2016 16:17
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mandatory lesbian posted:i like how i know he's going to ignore this cause it proves he's a dumbass GaussianCopula posted:Sorry but I only understand German, English and Latin, so these links are of no use to me. lol nice call
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Mar 22, 2016 16:18
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Fear and hatred towards Muslims is exactly what the terrorists want, you idiots. You're collaborating with them.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:19
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Rollofthedice posted:Ah, but you see, gaussiancopula doesn't speak dutch so to him they might as well not exist If only we lived in an age where web pages could be instantly translated at will... Someone should get a major tech company on this! Maybe a search engine, they got smart people there.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:21
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Welp, https://twitter.com/Raqqa_SL/status/712297381786550273
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Mar 22, 2016 16:21
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GaussianCopula posted:Sorry but I only understand German, English and Latin, so these links are of no use to me. Well, you also speak fluent ignorance.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:21
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Evacuations seem to be rolling out what's a decent national or local news source? Everything English is just running off twitter and AP right now.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:23
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An Angry Bug posted:Fear and hatred towards Muslims is exactly what the terrorists want, you idiots. You're collaborating with them. So... what exactly should be done? Quietly accept bombings from immigrants and radicalized citizens as the cost of doing business?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:23
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GaussianCopula posted:I nominate Molenbeek. Raid every single flat in that community and everyone who actively or passively supported the terrorists/ISIS gets punished. Do the same in all other boroughs that have similar problems. So do you think raiding every single home in a Muslim community will improve relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, or do you think it would make things worse? It seems like this is more anger-signaling than a well thought-out proposal, to be honest.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:23
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Maybe snickering at people freaking out at ISIS leaking in with all the migrants might have been a silly thing to do. Oh well #refugeswelcome
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Mar 22, 2016 16:24
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Sharkie posted:So do you think raiding every single home in a Muslim community will improve relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, or do you think it would make things worse? It seems like this is more anger-signaling than a well thought-out proposal, to be honest. FYI: GaussianCopula was the same guy who advocated rejecting refugees and working with an up and coming Turkish dictator as a solution to the refugee crisis.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:25
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Spangly A posted:The root cause of radicalisation is inequalty, good luck on that. This is quite simply not true and you'd know that if you did any research on the subject. Jihadists are disproportionately well off our educated middle class.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:25
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This seemed inevitable This is just going to make things even worse for refugees fleeing ISIS and Syria 
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AllanGordon posted:Maybe snickering at people freaking out at ISIS leaking in with all the migrants might have been a silly thing to do. /r/european is that way ----->
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menino posted:Anyway per capita still a really bad number for the US. Now add up all the murders in those countries to the terrorism and armed conflict figures.
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I would like to come out and say I think, all other possibilities aside, I think GaussianCopula's proposition of an anti-Muslim pogrom is a very poor idea and it shouldn't be done.
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menino posted:You get into murky territory when you start counting a Hausa proxy army as terrorism. Civilian slaughter, sure. Even if you exclude it, still a staggering number of deaths. 2015 was almost equally terrible and more geographically widespread; there was Islamic terrorism on every continent save for South America.
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also what's wrong with muslims bringing over all their cultural practices. I mean child brides, FGM, and loving little boys are already here to stay. Might as well bring the regular suicide bombings too. Now we in the west can know what's it's like in random muslim shithole #53. You can't call yourself part of the diverse experience till you take some shrapnel in the leg.
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tsa posted:This is quite simply not true and you'd know that if you did any research on the subject. Jihadists are disproportionately well off our educated middle class. tsa, you and everyone else don't have the same definition of 'research' Arkane posted:Even if you exclude it, still a staggering number of deaths. And more people were killed in car accidents, aircraft accidents, and accidental shootings combined than was every killed by a terrorist in the west. So shutup.
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AllanGordon posted:Maybe snickering at people freaking out at ISIS leaking in with all the migrants might have been a silly thing to do. The Paris attacks weren't carried out by refugees and I bet these ones weren't either. But I guess you can't pass up an opportunity to be ignorant.
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Frosted Flake posted:So... what exactly should be done? Quietly accept bombings from immigrants and radicalized citizens as the cost of doing business? Do something that will actually fix this problem instead of exacerbating it with a witchhunt? I think that is what is being suggested here.
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AllanGordon posted:Maybe snickering at people freaking out at ISIS leaking in with all the migrants might have been a silly thing to do. nobody's said they're migrants tsa posted:This is quite simply not true and you'd know that if you did any research on the subject. Jihadists are disproportionately well off our educated middle class. you're right, there's no such thing as cultural or religious inequality. It's a simplification, as is yours.
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GaussianCopula posted:I nominate Molenbeek. Raid every single flat in that community and everyone who actively or passively supported the terrorists/ISIS gets punished. Do the same in all other boroughs that have similar problems. What exactly is passively supporting a terrorist
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Lotka Volterra posted:You do know that American ghettos are not havens of peace and prosperity, either, right? Violence due to isolation from society at-large and oppression is not exactly contained to Islam. And it can take a lot of forms. Yes, it shows that inequity is a very poor predictor of terrorism, like you just pointed out.
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We all know they're migrants lol.
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