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kustomkarkommando posted:What exactly is passively supporting a terrorist Being muslim.
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kustomkarkommando posted:What exactly is passively supporting a terrorist People in Molenbeek helped to hide one of the Paris perpetrators. Good NYTimes piece on this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/arrest-salah-abdeslam-paris-suspect.html
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Mar 22, 2016 16:28
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Sharkie posted:So do you think raiding every single home in a Muslim community will improve relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, or do you think it would make things worse? It seems like this is more anger-signaling than a well thought-out proposal, to be honest. I think there is probable cause that they are aiding and abetting terrorists, therefore police should conduct the necessary investigations to gather more proof.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:28
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AllanGordon posted:We all know they're migrants lol. How? The Paris attackers weren't, why would these be? How do you know this so certainly?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:28
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Paris attacks weren't carried out by refugees and I bet these ones weren't either. But I guess you can't pass up an opportunity to be ignorant. otoh people keep saying that the real threat are the second generation immigrants. so if the current refugees are here to stay, does it mean another generation of violent, anti-social offsprings in the future?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:29
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Failure to report that your neighbour looks a bit shifty. Punishment: get on the boat
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Mar 22, 2016 16:29
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AllanGordon posted:We all know they're migrants lol. they almost certainly aren't, actually
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Mar 22, 2016 16:29
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Arkane posted:People in Molenbeek helped to hide one of the Paris perpetrators. That would be active support
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Mar 22, 2016 16:29
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GaussianCopula posted:I think there is probable cause that they are aiding and abetting terrorists, therefore police should conduct the necessary investigations to gather more proof. Break all their poo poo while we're in there too. And rough em up a little bit. Let em know who's boss.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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An Angry Bug posted:Fear and hatred towards Muslims is exactly what the terrorists want, you idiots. You're collaborating with them.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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kustomkarkommando posted:Failure to report that your neighbour looks a bit shifty. Punishment: get on the boat Failing to report that the most wanted man in Europe is being hidden by your neighbour should be punishable, yes.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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PT6A posted:I would like to come out and say I think, all other possibilities aside, I think GaussianCopula's proposition of an anti-Muslim pogrom is a very poor idea and it shouldn't be done. Well now you're just being unreasonable.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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Providing material comfort to a wanted terrorist knowing the charges against them wouldn't be considered a passive act anywhere I think
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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AllanGordon posted:also what's wrong with muslims bringing over all their cultural practices. I mean child brides, FGM, and loving little boys are already here to stay. Might as well bring the regular suicide bombings too. Now we in the west can know what's it's like in random muslim shithole #53. You can't call yourself part of the diverse experience till you take some shrapnel in the leg. hahaha you are actually a complete moron
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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Spangly A posted:nobody's said they're migrants It's quite obvious you have no idea what the actual causes are and are just spinning your wheels. Just look at the 9 11 attackers, none of the things you are talking about held true there so there's obviously more issues at play here. It's ok to be wrong, but you need to do done more research in this area friend.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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kustomkarkommando posted:That would be active support I edited in a link to a NY Times story from earlier today (that was written before the Brussel attack, ironically). There's more than active support, there's passive support where people who know something will say nothing. One of the people the NYT talked to compared it to Omerta in Italian communities.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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Arkane posted:People in Molenbeek helped to hide one of the Paris perpetrators. So get rid of them all, right Arkane?  Arkane posted:I edited in a link to a NY Times story from earlier today (that was written before the Brussel attack, ironically). There's more than active support, there's passive support where people who know something will say nothing. One of the people the NYT talked to compared it to Omerta in Italian communities. Oooo! Oooo! I want to know your disgusting solution to organized crime, its probably something like 'Banish all Italian people' or some reprehensible Right wing poo poo.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:30
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Wouldn't it be worse for your narrative if they were native born like the Paris attackers? Really shows how incompatible muslims are with the West if even the sons and daughters raised here are off doing just normal terrorist things.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:31
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AllanGordon posted:We all know they're migrants lol. AllanGordon posted:also what's wrong with muslims bringing over all their cultural practices. I mean child brides, FGM, and loving little boys are already here to stay. Might as well bring the regular suicide bombings too. Now we in the west can know what's it's like in random muslim shithole #53. You can't call yourself part of the diverse experience till you take some shrapnel in the leg. 1/10 on the trolling. Yeah you showed up but you basically just ctrl+c/ctrl+v'd some reddit posts, and even then you played your hand too soon.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:31
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GaussianCopula posted:Failing to report that the most wanted man in Europe is being hidden by your neighbour should be punishable, yes. Yeah, I can't really argue with this.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:31
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Volkerball posted:Break all their poo poo while we're in there too. And rough em up a little bit. Let em know who's boss. Of course not, the searches should be conducted with the utmost professionalism, although I'd argue that we can lift the ban on raids between 9pm and 5am in this case.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:32
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Maybe it's not trolling when it's come to the point that Europe is having terrorist attacks every few months and have to raid hundreds of houses to collect weapons and bombs from muslims.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:32
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tsa posted:It's quite obvious you have no idea what the actual causes are and are just spinning your wheels. What would you say the most important issue here is, exactly?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:33
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steinrokkan posted:otoh people keep saying that the real threat are the second generation immigrants. so if the current refugees are here to stay, does it mean another generation of violent, anti-social offsprings in the future? So how about we don't treat the new immigrants like poo poo by socially, economically, and politically isolating them inadvertently ensuring that their decedents to be more prone to extremism? Or we can be racist xenophobic shits like you are suggesting I suppose.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:33
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steinrokkan posted:otoh people keep saying that the real threat are the second generation immigrants. so if the current refugees are here to stay, does it mean another generation of violent, anti-social offsprings in the future? If rabid Islamophobia continues to oppress them? Yeah.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:33
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GaussianCopula posted:Of course not, the searches should be conducted with the utmost professionalism, although I'd argue that we can lift the ban on raids between 9pm and 5am in this case. Door to door like a vacuum salesman, I'm sure. Lotka Volterra posted:What would you say the most important issue here is, exactly? tsa and arkane: Muslims.
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AllanGordon posted:Maybe it's not trolling when it's come to the point that Europe is having terrorist attacks every few months and have to raid hundreds of houses to collect weapons and bombs from muslims. AllanGordon posted:We all know
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Mar 22, 2016 16:33
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GaussianCopula posted:I think there is probable cause that they are aiding and abetting terrorists, therefore police should conduct the necessary investigations to gather more proof. Oh for real? And what probable cause is that?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:34
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If rabid Islamophobia continues to oppress them? Yeah. Sounds like the solution is for them to go back to their cultural homes where they won't face oppression like not being spoken to in arabic or having to deal with women who aren't veiled and lead by a male relative.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:35
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Sharkie posted:Oh for real? And what probable cause is that? I suspect GaussianCopula, tsa, and Arkane support Inquisition style investigations to garner more proof.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:35
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Arkane posted:I edited in a link to a NY Times story from earlier today (that was written before the Brussel attack, ironically). There's more than active support, there's passive support where people who know something will say nothing. One of the people the NYT talked to compared it to Omerta in Italian communities. How do you figure out who should have known something but said nothing. Proving that some had reasonable knowledge that someone was sheltering a wanted terrorist is not going to be easiest thing to prove barring some specific evidence against individuals (which would by no means cover everyone who kept their head down and ignored what was going on) What are you going to do - prosecute everyone within a square mile cause they might have seen him?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:35
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AllanGordon posted:Sounds like the solution is for them to go back to their cultural homes where they won't face oppression like not being spoken to in arabic or having to deal with women who aren't veiled and lead by a male relative. But where's the drama in that ?
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Mar 22, 2016 16:36
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tsa posted:It's quite obvious you have no idea what the actual causes are and are just spinning your wheels. put bluntly, your arguments don't hold. I'm confident in my reading of sociology, inequality is an indicator of violence, and attempts to deny this are just a nicer-framed argument that's still on the level of gaussian's nonsense. You can cite 9/11 as if anecdotes are of value to the world, I can respond with the entire history of Ireland. GaussianCopula posted:Of course not, the searches should be conducted with the utmost professionalism, although I'd argue that we can lift the ban on raids between 9pm and 5am in this case. The correct method and paperwork of riot squads breaking into your house at 3am is probably not what people would feel concerned about
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Mar 22, 2016 16:36
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AllanGordon posted:Wouldn't it be worse for your narrative if they were native born like the Paris attackers? Really shows how incompatible muslims are with the West if even the sons and daughters raised here are off doing just normal terrorist things. This would be a lot more cogent of an argument if non-white minorities weren't frequently treated like second-class citizens in a lot of Western Europe. That sort of poo poo makes recruitment by terrorist groups a lot easier.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:37
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So how about we don't treat the new immigrants like poo poo by socially, economically, and politically isolating them inadvertently ensuring that their decedents to be more prone to extremism? i don't think the entirety europe has been uniformly 100% anti-muslim for the entirety of the past 30 years or whatever, which would be the only way to satisfactorily explain this as a pure socio economic phenomenon
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Mar 22, 2016 16:37
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Sharkie posted:Oh for real? And what probable cause is that? Let's start with the fact that the most wanted man in Europe lived among them for over 100 days and freely walked on the street without anyone reporting him.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:37
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steinrokkan posted:i don't think the entirety europe has been uniformly 100% anti-muslim for the entirety of the past 30 years or whatever, which would be the only way to satisfactorily explain this. Doesn't seem to be stopping them now! Let's hate them harder! GaussianCopula posted:Let's start with the fact that the most wanted man in Europe lived among them for over 100 days and freely walked on the street without anyone reporting him. Yeah, because they all knew he was a wanted terrorist. C'mon now.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:38
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Codes of silence exist in all manner of communities and trying to break them through aggressive prosecution is just not going to work
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Mar 22, 2016 16:38
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steinrokkan posted:i don't think the entirety europe has been uniformly 100% anti-muslim for the entirety of the past 30 years or whatever, which would be the only way to satisfactorily explain this. you're arguing that the correlation between increased anti-muslim violence and increased muslim violence are a coincidence?
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GaussianCopula posted:Of course not, the searches should be conducted with the utmost professionalism, although I'd argue that we can lift the ban on raids between 9pm and 5am in this case. If you have the hair and orange face for it, you should run for Eurotrump. Make Europe great again/Am deutschen Wesen soll Europa genesen!
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