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Toast Museum posted:Does staking out territory with lone power poles still keep biters from setting up shop in the vicinity? Yep. Victory poles! Biters are restricted from settling within a certain range of any of your buildings or each other. Boxes work great if you're out of poles and near some trees. There's a debug view that will show you exactly what chunks are valid for biter expansion but its a little cheaty. Press f4 to see the whole options menu. It modifies what data comes up when you press f5-7
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zedprime posted:Don't ignore that eating pollution is a constant tick once you aggravate a spawner. Its a far less magnitude because its constantly ticking over on eating pollution. If the spawner destroying evolution punishes anything, its striking way out beyond your smog cloud to kill bases that aren't aggravated yet. If you have the time and inclination, trimming down bases inside the smog cloud isn't the worst idea in the world. Ambaire posted:Can't you just mod the train to do zero damage to players? Yes, and it's really simple. https://www.dropbox.com/s/u09fs7g2eds6k2c/train-immunity_0.1.0.zip?dl=0 Will also provide immunity to tanks and cars or any other source of collision ("impact" type) damage.
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gently caress, big spitters are absolutely straining my defenses. I've had to shut down my oil outposts because the big spitters were eating through my laser turrets + construction bots attempting to repair them. I've fallen back to my main base and fortified it with more laser turrets. Currently working on outfitting my top tier power armour so I can plow through the biter nests and give my outposts room to breathe. So many logistical things I need to correct now that I'm ready to properly expand: my metal production is sorely underdeveloped for the outputs my factory demands, and I've been meaning to redesign the entire area but since it's right in the middle of my base, I always put it off for "later". Red circuit production is pathetic, though my green circuit production is great (constant stock of 2k). That's what I love about this game: there's always something to better perfect.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:How in the hell am I supposed to pull fluid out of these rail-tanker carts? I'm using the Flow Control pumps from GotLag and the latest version of the rail tank cart mod (1.1.3) but they just don't pull fluid out, or put fluid in, unless I manually remove/place the pumps every time, which goes against the whole spirit of the game. What other mods do you have, eg Sneak Through, etc? Can you post a screenshot of the stations that aren't working?
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm still a bit confused about best practices for oil drilling and refining. You can happily have all your pumpjacks going into one pipeline that goes to all your refineries. Small pumps are only needed if you're pumping obscene distances by pipe, like 700 units of pipe (and by quirk underground pipes only count their aboveground parts so literally thousands of actual squares) will still have the flow rate to feed like 15 refineries. If you see pipes that are both totally full near the pumpjacks but basically empty at your refinery you'll know you need small pumps but that probably won't ever happen. You should try to research advanced oil processing ASAP, it lets you change your refineries to produce more gasoline and lets you use chemical plants to turn heavy oil into light oil and light oil into petroleum. Until then, just keep storing it.
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My wife also likes watching Factorio, and it's one of the only games she's ever showed interest in 
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God drat setting up rails for the first time takes soooo much metal it's insane, first thing I do once I have the fat stacks rolling in is to automate the gently caress out of infrastructure like the fast goodbelts and rails and everything
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lazorexplosion posted:My wife also likes watching Factorio, and it's one of the only games she's ever showed interest in sorry, your children will be autistic
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Baloogan posted:sorry, your children will be autistic At least now I know to buy them Star Citizen packages in advance.
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Indecisive posted:God drat setting up rails for the first time takes soooo much metal it's insane, first thing I do once I have the fat stacks rolling in is to automate the gently caress out of infrastructure like the fast goodbelts and rails and everything I automate making rails too.
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Indecisive posted:God drat setting up rails for the first time takes soooo much metal it's insane, first thing I do once I have the fat stacks rolling in is to automate the gently caress out of infrastructure like the fast goodbelts and rails and everything Check out the stamina mod. It basically drains life if you assemble something personally. Therefore if you have something decently big to output(belts, rails, etc) you are basically forced to come up with a way of automating it. It gives to Factorio much more flavor.
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Indecisive posted:God drat setting up rails for the first time takes soooo much metal it's insane, first thing I do once I have the fat stacks rolling in is to automate the gently caress out of infrastructure like the fast goodbelts and rails and everything Normally I never bother since stock has everything in belt range. The RSO game I've got is eating steel like crazy, a new spur off the main line to pick up a discovered resource costs 400 to 600 straight rails which just gets worse the further out I move to find more stuff. I can't afford the iron for red belts yet, everything goes into rail expansion or science for now. Loopoo posted:That's what I love about this game: there's always something to better perfect. Or as said, just walk in laser turrets and win every time. The personal defence lasers are actually bad for you IMO. They attack automatically, drawing aggro onto you but they don't do enough damage to kill things. If you plop down a laser turret in front of you so it gets aggro, nothing will even look at you while it stays alive.
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Pretty sure the only way to play this game correctly is with breakfast machine on repeat
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Yeah I'm using RSO too actually, I like it so far. I also turned down enemy base spawns, and the map actually feels like something I can EXPLORE instead of being surrounded on all sides by loving neverending walls of aliens, it's nice. I actually just got in my car and drove a huge distance around for fun for once. I won't bother with the stamina mod though, standing around crafting hundreds of red belts is punishment enough, i don't need to worry about dying while I do it. Now that my failing copper lines are being supported by rail, its time to turn my new massive iron expo into PURE INDUSTRY Indecisive fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Mar 22, 2016 14:34
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The health gauge comes up so little I'd imagine I'd just end up ignoring it if not committing suicide every half hour. What I really need is a mod with a peripheral that hits me on the nose with a newspaper every time I manually craft something my factory is already tooled to make automatically and I just haven't place the assembler yet.
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Indecisive posted:Yeah I'm using RSO too actually, I like it so far. I also turned down enemy base spawns, and the map actually feels like something I can EXPLORE instead of being surrounded on all sides by loving neverending walls of aliens, it's nice. I actually just got in my car and drove a huge distance around for fun for once. Quite. If I wanted to limit hand crafting I'd use the No hand crafting mod (which I started a game with but haven't gotten around to finishing). I'm not using FARL though, a handful of blueprints and a pocketful of rails.
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lazorexplosion posted:My wife also likes watching Factorio, and it's one of the only games she's ever showed interest in That's three. Now it's a pattern. This merits further study.
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Maybe it only works on wives, because my girlfriend looked at Factorio and told me her head hurt and that she would rather play smite again.
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Is there a way to break things down into their components?
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zedprime posted:Combat gets a little weird by the time your factory is set up. The tank isn't a tank, its a battering ram. You can run it through as many mobile enemies as you'd like and about half a dozen spawners or worms before needing a repair. But by the time you have mk2 armor that's getting a little old and crusty for methods because you or your bots need to get out and repair it more often than you probably want to at that stage of the game. Ok I'll give that a shot. I haven't used robots much. One other thing. I ran a test to see how much power a single solar panel produced. In one day it filled 4 accumulators (20MJ?). The wiki says you need 0.84 Accumulators per solar panel. Even with the panel powering the base and charging accumulators it seems like you'd need more than that. PS I did make sure the test bed was not connected to my main power grid.
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DONT CARE BUTTON posted:Pretty sure the only way to play this game correctly is with breakfast machine on repeat nah, the how it's made theme song.
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Travic posted:Ok I'll give that a shot. I haven't used robots much. Depending on the laser stress on your power grid you can float more accumulators per panel, but just adding more of both in the nearest ratio to the ideal is just as easy since accumulators are usually the limiting component if you have anywhere near the same love/hate relationship with oil as I do.
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The mod I'd like to see is a change to the research bar:pre:Researching Teledildonics █████████░░░░░░░░░░░░ Labs: 30 Sci: 30/30/12/30  "
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zedprime posted:Under a real load, the solar panel needs to multitask. You can think of the power accounting as it is supplying the day time power to consumers simultaneously with the night time power to accumulators for those same consumers. I don't understand accumulators. How can I accurately determine if my stored up energy is enough to keep laser turrets firing at peak performance for 20 seconds? They're both in different units. Watts and Joules.
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A joule is a watt second.
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Loopoo posted:I don't understand accumulators. How can I accurately determine if my stored up energy is enough to keep laser turrets firing at peak performance for 20 seconds? They're both in different units. Watts and Joules. wikipedia posted:The watt (symbol: W) is a derived unit of power in the International System of Units (SI), named after the Scottish engineer James Watt (1736–1819). The unit is defined as joule per second[1] and can be used to express the rate of energy conversion or transfer with respect to time. It has dimensions of L2MT−3. Watts are joules per second. Solar panels are measured in the one because it's a rate of generation, laser turrets in another cuz that's per-shot rather than over a set period of time like a second.
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Loopoo posted:I don't understand accumulators. How can I accurately determine if my stored up energy is enough to keep laser turrets firing at peak performance for 20 seconds? They're both in different units. Watts and Joules. Watt is defined as Joule/second so you could ideally math it, however I'm not sure the turret interface is always accurate. The way it works is that each shot costs 800 kJ in addition to the 6 kW idling cost, so consumption starts at 2.4 MJ/second extra while firing 3 shots/second and increases to 6.24 MJ/s at maximum research and 7.8 shots/second. Estimate: 1 full accumulator feeds 1-2 seconds of continuous fire for 1 laser turret.
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Is solid fuel any less polluting than coal per joule output?
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Loopoo posted:I don't understand accumulators. How can I accurately determine if my stored up energy is enough to keep laser turrets firing at peak performance for 20 seconds? They're both in different units. Watts and Joules. An unupgraded laser turrets can shoot 3 times per second at 800kJ, or a power draw of 2.4 MW An accumulator can provide energy at a rate of 300kW, up to a total of 5.0MJ To keep up with the power draw without touching standard generation, you need 8 (300kW*8=2.4 MW) accumulators per turret. This gives you 40MJ of resevoir, or 50 shots, or 16 seconds of uninterrupted firing. Upgrading to 20 seconds, then you need a bigger resevoir. So 2.4MW*20s=48MJ. 48MJ/5MJ=9 or 10 accumulators per turret. This all changes when you change the firing speed. So you can do the math for the new firing speed, or just slam down solar fields everywhere because space is cheap at default biter settings. e. Strict power accounting is neat but flying by the seat of your pants is really fun, because when you end up shorting power for laser turrets at night the game turns into a horror movie. The lights start flickering with each laser shot, assemblers grind to a hault, and inserters get all herky jerky and that's when you know the bugs are coming zedprime fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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peepsalot posted:Is solid fuel any less polluting than coal per joule output? No. Its main benefit is that it is denser, meaning more storage/buffer and less inserter movement, and as an oil product is infinite (though coal is plentiful). Fuel type doesn't affect pollution at all.
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Is there a good mod that adds an energy system for late game? Placing dozens of solar and accumulator blueprints gets tedious fast. Also is there a mod that manages blueprints? I have so many and they take up so much room.
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oh my god I need SO MANY CIRCUITS NOW
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My life cycles between having too much oil, and producing enough plastic and sulfuric acid to keep my circuit + science assemblies going, to having no oil and everything grinding to a halt. It's so frustrating. I've started maybe 4 oil outposts, and they all get drained in no time and then I have to disassemble it because the biters are too big and strong for me to leave outposts around, otherwise I just lose laser turrets, pumpjacks and roboports needlessly. I'm happy though because with my new armour I can wade through biter nests and kill them all. Qubee fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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If you just leave it as pumps and underground pipes I don't think I have ever seen those attacked by themselves
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zedprime posted:Under a real load, the solar panel needs to multitask. You can think of the power accounting as it is supplying the day time power to consumers simultaneously with the night time power to accumulators for those same consumers. Ok. I'm trying to plan how many solar panels I need to run my base. My laser turrets aren't used much since I've been very aggressive about removing nests that are affected by my pollution so attacks are rare and small. So a solar panel produces about 20MJ during daylight hours. A day lasts 417 seconds. I add up all the kW in my base and that's how much power I need per second? My secondary resource base: 12 electric miners. 12*90*417=450,360kW per day. 450,360/20,000=22.5(round up to 23) solar panels to power them all day and night? With 20 accumulators?
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ianmacdo posted:If you just leave it as pumps and underground pipes I don't think I have ever seen those attacked by themselves Pumpjacks produce pollution though, and that causes biters to attack it. Esepcially if it's way out in the middle of nowhere, it'll be the only pollution producing agent nearby and all the biters will flock to it.
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Travic posted:Ok. I'm trying to plan how many solar panels I need to run my base. My laser turrets aren't used much since I've been very aggressive about removing nests that are affected by my pollution so attacks are rare and small. You need more solar panels. That's always how many solar panels you need. More.
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Travic posted:Ok. I'm trying to plan how many solar panels I need to run my base. My laser turrets aren't used much since I've been very aggressive about removing nests that are affected by my pollution so attacks are rare and small. Or else just mastermind2004 posted:You need more solar panels. That's always how many solar panels you need. More. e. fixed way after the fact for fat fingering the calculator zedprime fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Travic posted:Ok. I'm trying to plan how many solar panels I need to run my base. My laser turrets aren't used much since I've been very aggressive about removing nests that are affected by my pollution so attacks are rare and small. Don't forget that solar panels don't work at 100% efficiency all the time. They start low as the sun comes up and decrease production as it goes down, giving only 100% production for a percentage of the day cycle. Also: mastermind2004 posted:You need more solar panels. That's always how many solar panels you need. More.
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