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suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

shrike82 posted:

All you need to know about UK unicornland is the nickname for their tech hub "silicon roundabout"

when you call something silicon $NAME you know you're a mediocre me-too tech hub late to the game

when you call something silicon fen you know you are a provincial shithole that should have specialised in whisky distilleries or something

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foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

blowfish posted:

when you call something silicon $NAME you know you're a mediocre me-too tech hub late to the game

when you call something silicon fen you know you are a provincial shithole that should have specialised in whisky distilleries or something

Silicon Fen is home to the technofae, and adorable. :3:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!
The fall of unicorns: investment opportunities in Silicon Death Valley.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Prepare to cringe:


http://needwant.com/p/visit-factories-china-entrepreneur/

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005


Seems pretty innocuous to me.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

shrike82 posted:

Seems pretty innocuous to me.

It's the story of mid twenties white guys going "Hey everyone, the culture in China is different!" over and over again.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Given the excesses in Unicorn-land these days, I'd have needed the story to be along the lines of them setting up an accelerator in China and getting 100 million in funding from locals due to their white guy status to get erect.

White guys tourism is pretty boring.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Anyone doing manufacturing should visit the factories they're considering. Modern consumer-stuff business involves someone(s) spending a lot of time in China.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Subjunctive posted:

Anyone doing manufacturing should visit the factories they're considering. Modern consumer-stuff business involves someone(s) spending a lot of time in China.

Not if you're incompetent and/or plan to be acquired before loving up.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

blowfish posted:

Not if you're incompetent and/or plan to be acquired before loving up.

Those types tend not to have physical deliverables.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Subjunctive posted:

Anyone doing manufacturing should visit the factories they're considering. Modern consumer-stuff business involves someone(s) spending a lot of time in China.
This is the stage where a lot of Kickstarters fall apart: they assume they can deal with Chinese manufacturing at arms' length, then they use up all their money receiving and returning shipments that don't meet their standards.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
How much is lean startup to blame for this current climate? VCs are showering incremental "Uber of X" and "Facebook of Y" products with millions and billions of dollars. Actual innovative products will never get past the MVP phase because the market just wants faster horses.

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

Arsenic Lupin posted:

This is the stage where a lot of Kickstarters fall apart: they assume they can deal with Chinese manufacturing at arms' length, then they use up all their money receiving and returning shipments that don't meet their standards.
Yeah, there's actually a mini-cluster of maker startups in Shenzhen now for exactly this reason. Not a bad idea if you can handle living in China.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Arsenic Lupin posted:

This is the stage where a lot of Kickstarters fall apart: they assume they can deal with Chinese manufacturing at arms' length, then they use up all their money receiving and returning shipments that don't meet their standards.

A friend of mine ran into this with a guy Kickstarting large foam polyhedral dice. They were not well put together, had misprinted numbers and so on, and they complained to the factory. The factory responded by sending a picture of a worker. He was sitting at a desk with the foam and a stencil, spray painting them all by hand. I think he was implied to be the only worker. The Kickstarters stopped complaining.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

foobardog posted:

A friend of mine ran into this with a guy Kickstarting large foam polyhedral dice. They were not well put together, had misprinted numbers and so on, and they complained to the factory. The factory responded by sending a picture of a worker. He was sitting at a desk with the foam and a stencil, spray painting them all by hand. I think he was implied to be the only worker. The Kickstarters stopped complaining.

Was he chained to his desk?

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now

WampaLord posted:

It's the story of mid twenties white guys going "Hey everyone, the culture in China is different!" over and over again.

Also 20% business 80% hey look I'm on vacation in a different place.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Cultural Imperial posted:

Was he chained to his desk?

Probably not literally. I think I remember another Kickstarter announcing that after they had ran out of stretch goals, they bought the factory to build nothing, essentially giving the workers a vacation. They actually did not get one normally. Basically, China has gained so much manufacturing because rather than making new machines or something like that, they can throw people at the problem. On one hand, hey, they have jobs, and it's not usually complete sweat shop slavery, just mind-numbing wage slavery. On the other, it really sucks, and will result in one of those famous crises of capitalism at some point.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


I think that was cards against humanity where they ran an Black Friday offer of paying $5 for nothing, then turned around and bought out the factory capacity (to produce a bunch of nothing) to give them some time off.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Shifty Pony posted:

I think that was cards against humanity where they ran an Black Friday offer of paying $5 for nothing, then turned around and bought out the factory capacity (to produce a bunch of nothing) to give them some time off.

Given that it's China, the workers were probably working another contract during those hours :v:

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


blowfish posted:

Given that it's China, the workers were probably working another contract during those hours :v:

Some of them probably did, but CAH asked the workers to write them letters talking about what they did.

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer

I can't imagine existing in a life where I'm trusting enough to jam a sim card into my phone that promises free internet and I got at a random kiosk.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Bushiz posted:

I can't imagine existing in a life where I'm trusting enough to jam a sim card into my phone that promises free internet and I got at a random kiosk.

Seriously. How on earth are they both so trusting and still alive?

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Bushiz posted:

I can't imagine existing in a life where I'm trusting enough to jam a sim card into my phone that promises free internet and I got at a random kiosk.

Not entirely free, you still have to tap on random Chinese ads to keep your phone topped.

Also I just learnt what a top sheet is. I looked up their company and saw they made a blanket which clipped to the top sheet, I assumed the sheet they were talking about was the fitted one that folds around your mattress.

It seems they've over-engineered a problem that could have been resolved by ditching this top sheet and getting a duvet to suit you.

Marenghi fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Mar 23, 2016

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

n...noooo

quote:

Baer, who was recruited to Austin by Trilogy in 1999, says he’s never seen things going as well as they are today. The most recent company to get funding through CF is Aceable, which makes an app that allows you to complete a defensive-driving class by playing a game on a phone. “The cost of creating a start-up has gone down,” says Baer. “And the ability for anyone to get involved has gone up.” It’s a lot like playing music or starting a band. Most start-ups fail, just like most bands do. But for a time, at least, the possibilities seem endless.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Marenghi posted:

Not entirely free, you still have to tap on random Chinese ads to keep your phone topped.

Also I just learnt what a top sheet is. I looked up their company and saw they made a blanket which clipped to the top sheet, I assumed the sheet they were talking about was the fitted one that folds around your mattress.

It seems they've over-engineered a problem that could have been resolved by ditching this top sheet and getting a duvet to suit you.

Sure, if you like washing your duvet all the time rather than a sheet to keep your bed from starting to pick up a funk.

The actual solution to the 'problem' is to make your drat bed once in a while, rather than sleeping in a filthy rats' nest of blankets.

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Liquid Communism posted:

Sure, if you like washing your duvet all the time rather than a sheet to keep your bed from starting to pick up a funk.

The actual solution to the 'problem' is to make your drat bed once in a while, rather than sleeping in a filthy rats' nest of blankets.

It's almost as easy to remove and wash a duvet cover as it is to sleep with an extra sheet.

But it seems like a product you'd see on the shopping channel, especially with their intro video talking about how complicated and hard top sheets are to use. Even if I used a separate sheet alongside my duvet I cannot see making it being such a big deal that I'd buy a specially made combination product.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


If my blanket is clipped to the top sheet how am I supposed to kick it off when my Nest thermostat decides to randomly set the heat at 88 degrees during the middle of the night?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Shifty Pony posted:

If my blanket is clipped to the top sheet how am I supposed to kick it off when my Nest thermostat decides to randomly set the heat at 88 degrees during the middle of the night?

Kickr.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Introducing AssHol, the only solar-funded startup that will expropriate the bones of production from any number of 1br-seeking bourgious

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

shrike82 posted:

Seems pretty innocuous to me.

My favorite parts are how shocked they are by the bamboo scaffolding as opposed to "traditional metal" like nothing more than five feet high was built ever built by humanity before aluminum or glass fibre hybrid and this sentence: "It was a great meal, but felt very foreign."

On a scale of great Chinese stories ranging from Handbreezy to Iron Monkey I'd give it a solid Haier.

Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Mar 23, 2016

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Farhad Manjoo in the Times, The Uber Model, It Turns Out, Doesn’t Translate (you may convey your shock through interpretive dance, on my count. One, two, one two three)

quote:

Luxe solved parking with an army of smartphone-guided attendants who parked and retrieved your car at the push of a button. That sounds like a bourgeois luxury, but the real magic of Luxe was its underlying economics. By ferrying cars from popular areas to underused parking lots, Luxe’s founders argued that they had discovered a loose thread in the city’s parking knot. It wasn’t simply more convenient — at $5 an hour, with a maximum of $15 for the day — Luxe was also significantly cheaper than just about any other way to park.

Things have since changed, and not for the better. Luxe is less reliable and prices have gone way up — where I park in San Francisco, Luxe now often charges close to $30 a day, a rate that exceeds local lots, especially when you include the app’s suggested tips for valets.
...
Other than Uber, the hypersuccessful granddaddy of on-demand apps, many of these companies have come under stress. Across a variety of on-demand apps, prices are rising, service is declining, business models are shifting, and, in some cases, companies are closing down.

Here is what we are witnessing: the end of the on-demand dream.

That dream was about price and convenience. Like Luxe, many of these companies marketed themselves as clever hacks of the existing order. They weren’t just less headache than old-world services, but because they were using phones to eliminate inefficiencies, they argued that they could be cheaper, too — so cheap that as they grew, they could offer luxury-level service at mass-market prices.

That just isn’t happening. Though I still use Luxe frequently, it now often feels like just another luxury for people who have more money than time.
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Investors saw Uber’s success as a template for Ubers for everything. “The industry went through a period where we said, let’s look at any big service industry, stick ‘on-demand’ on it, and we’ve got an Uber,” said Hunter Walk, a venture capitalist at the firm Homebrew, which has invested in at least one on-demand company, the shipping service Shyp.
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Another problem was that funding distorted on-demand businesses. So many start-ups raised so much cash in 2014 and 2015 that they were freed from the pressure of having to make money on each of their orders. Now that investor appetite for on-demand companies has cooled, companies have been forced to return sanity to their business, sometimes by raising prices.

Look at grocery shopping. Last year the grocery-delivery start-up Instacart lowered prices because it thought it could extract extra revenue from supermarket chains, which were attracted to the new business Instacart was bringing in.

That has panned out only partway. A representative told me Instacart’s revenue grew by a factor of six since the start of 2015, and it has been able to use data science to find efficiencies in its operations. But the revenue from supermarket chains wasn’t enough to offset costs, so in December, Instacart raised delivery charges to $6 from $4 for most orders. It has also reduced pay for some of its workers.

The changes are in line with a drive toward profit. The company said it had stemmed losses in its biggest cities, and aimed to become “gross-margin positive” — that is, to stop losing money on each order — across its operations by year’s end.
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Instacart, Postmates and DoorDash say they see opportunities for lowering prices as they grow. They are hoping for efficiency gains that come with volume, like bundling two or three orders in each delivery.

But it is wise to be skeptical of claims of future price cuts. Last year, Tri Tran, the founder the of food-delivery company Munchery, told me he expected prices for most dishes on the service to come in at under $10 a person. Today Munchery’s prices are pretty much unchanged. When I asked the company what happened, I got no real answer from a representative.
Sorry for the long quote, but his naive distress is just too good not to savor. "Selling your service at under its cost to produce doesn't actually scale, who knew?" Amazon being the shining counterexample, and they stopped bleeding money on each transaction awhile ago.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!
My favorite part is

"Though I still use Luxe frequently, it now often feels like just another luxury for people who have more money than time."

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Javascript is a house of cards.

tl;dr: some stupid also-ran chat company threatens to sue someone for using the same name as them in some library inside the node.js stack. The developer refuses, but the managers of the stack fold. In response, developer pulls all of his source from the stack. Now loads of other people's builds don't work.

Here are those geniuses whose name is oh so important:

quote:

Only Kik lets you connect with friends, groups, and the world around you through chat. Just ask, “What’s your Kik?”

:what:

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Absurd Alhazred posted:

Javascript is a house of cards.

tl;dr: some stupid also-ran chat company threatens to sue someone for using the same name as them in some library inside the node.js stack. The developer refuses, but the managers of the stack fold. In response, developer pulls all of his source from the stack. Now loads of other people's builds don't work.

Here are those geniuses whose name is oh so important:

:what:

Holy *cow*. Check out the mail these jerks sent to the developer.

https://medium.com/@mproberts/a-discussion-about-the-breaking-of-the-internet-3d4d2a83aa4d#.8bz14mje7

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Neo Rasa posted:

My favorite parts are how shocked they are by the bamboo scaffolding as opposed to "traditional metal" like nothing more than five feet high was built ever built by humanity before aluminum or glass fibre hybrid and this sentence: "It was a great meal, but felt very foreign."

On a scale of great Chinese stories ranging from Handbreezy to Iron Monkey I'd give it a solid Haier.

I stopped reading around that point, but also because the writing style feels like a 5th grader's school paper about their family vacation. Knowing I was actually reading something written by an adult was... off putting.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

I don't know, the developer seems more wrong to me here. On one hand, he has no reason to change the name of his library, considering it already exists. On the other, Kik are very correctly describing trademark law in this case, and I could see how his first email seemed to imply he was planning on further competing with them. That said, assuming his library does highly different things, there's no reason that he can't keep being Kik, just as there is the Unity game engine and the Unity dependency injection framework.

But even then, how hard of change would it be? How many users would be impacted? The dev doesn't even consider that, just sticks to his guns. He takes the involvement of the node maintainers as treason, rather than acknowledging he is part of a community that often places limits to work together better. Not that node needs the help, but if avoiding user confusion improves their product, or increases their user base, they should feel fine at asking for the change. The dev went Galt and if this was the real world, he'd be the rear end in a top hat.

True, Kik is definitely ignoring how threatening it is to mention involving lawyers, though, even if they don't want to use them. And Kik is definitely hoping their corporate power will win, and underestimated the social power the dev had. Call their library KikChat or something and get over it.

Both sides are being idiots here.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Kik already had a JS SDK; another unrelated JS library with that name is IMO (IANAL) reasonably likely to lead to confusion.

(And the communication from Kik was eminently reasonable considering that I'm pretty sure the law and legal process are both stacked on their side.)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


foobardog posted:

I don't know, the developer seems more wrong to me here.

That said, assuming his library does highly different things, there's no reason that he can't keep being Kik, just as there is the Unity game engine and the Unity dependency injection framework.

True, Kik is definitely ignoring how threatening it is to mention involving lawyers, though, even if they don't want to use them. And Kik is definitely hoping their corporate power will win, and underestimated the social power the dev had. Call their library KikChat or something and get over it.

Both sides are being idiots here.
I talked to my friend the IP lawyer and she says the developer is completely in the wrong, legally, and that the most unreasonable person here is clearly the developer. I still feel that Kik tried to use a "we're all buddies here, please do this" tone when they weren't buddies and it wasn't a request.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I talked to my friend the IP lawyer and she says the developer is completely in the wrong, legally, and that the most unreasonable person here is clearly the developer. I still feel that Kik tried to use a "we're all buddies here, please do this" tone when they weren't buddies and it wasn't a request.

Yeah, I definitely agree. This sort of faux friendly tone seems to be the trend among corporate speak, and it annoys me how transparent it often is. Same way that Starbucks wants you to see them as a community, not a company.

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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I talked to my friend the IP lawyer and she says the developer is completely in the wrong, legally, and that the most unreasonable person here is clearly the developer. I still feel that Kik tried to use a "we're all buddies here, please do this" tone when they weren't buddies and it wasn't a request.

They asked how he'd like to proceed, and even offered compensation, when the developer was breaking the law. They were much nicer than the law requires, and much more polite than the developer in the conversation. The outcome was pre-ordained: he was going to remove or rename the "kik" projects. IMO the Kik representative was more than considerate in exploring how to get to that point.

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