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Not shipping cost, but shipping time. They said they'd ship it express but I haven't received a number yet.
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Mar 22, 2016 04:04
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BULBASAUR posted:Give him a master crafted weapon of some kind and an invuln save (the MC crafting is free btw). Otherwise he's just going to do nothing. Drop the tactical squad completely? Or down to fewer models?
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BULBASAUR posted:Dorn stands atop a pile of eviscerated tyrant terminators, which is why he isn't released yet To top Perturbaro, I think Dorn will be based on a 28mm scale model of Mt. Everest before the Imperial Palace was built.
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Mar 22, 2016 04:44
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muggins posted:Not shipping cost, but shipping time. They said they'd ship it express but I haven't received a number yet. That sucks, but your videos are loving rad!
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Mar 22, 2016 04:58
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Hencoe posted:Doesn't ZM say models can't be on a base bigger than 60? Leviathans are on 80's. I believe the 60mm base limitation is for monstrous creatures.
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Note that models aren't allowed to pass through places where the model itself (if not on a base) or the base is unable to fit through. The narrow blast doors in the official Zone Mortalis tiles are about 50mm wide. Even if you could tecnically fit something bigger in there, it likely wouldn't be too practical to actually move around. (Incidentally, this is why the classification for Terminator armor is Tactical dreadnought armor - they were intended to get as close to an actual Dreadnought power-wise as they could while remaining compact enough to be effective boarding combatants.)
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Mar 22, 2016 12:30
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  That missile backpack will be cool for all sorts of conversions
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Mar 22, 2016 22:31
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ungh that rotor cannon  If I could justify any of that for EC, I'd pick some up in a heartbeat.
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Mar 22, 2016 22:35
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Yeah that missile backpack would be sweet for a Master of Signal. Maybe with the auspex from the tac squad kit.
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BULBASAUR posted:
drat. Those look sweet. Definitely putting together a heavy flamer squad as a retinue for my Death Guard Siege Breaker.
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Mar 22, 2016 22:45
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Sick. I also love that heavy bolter, very nice.
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Mar 22, 2016 22:50
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HB, AC, LC and Volkite are the loving bees knees here.
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Mar 22, 2016 22:54
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That rotor cannon needs to be out on a Catachan as soon as possible. Finally we can build the Predator reenactment we've always dreamt of.
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Mar 22, 2016 23:37
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koreban posted:ungh that rotor cannon Squad of 10 sunkillers with lascannon is only 450 ptsish
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muggins posted:Squad of 10 sunkillers with lascannon is only 450 ptsish If I want a heavy weapons squad for EC, I always have Kakophoni.
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Mar 22, 2016 23:50
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muggins posted:Squad of 10 sunkillers with lascannon is only 450 ptsish Playing the Emps and not taking squads of 6 special / heavy weapons / terminators? Shame.
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I'm reading Nemesis. It's not bad. Neat seeing details of the assassin temples behavior and tactics. Are assassins even legal in 30k? Also read Fallen Angels. It was bad or mediocre. Why did the dark Angels have invested librarians after nikea? Luthers rebellion seems reasonable given the cultural pathos of having your world terraformed by a galactic bureaucracy. Is that really the great secret the dark Angels are hiding?
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Mar 23, 2016 05:10
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The great secret the DA are hiding is that Luther was the loyalist, and Lion was the traitor. Lion then turned back into loyalist. Makes more sense than "OH GOD SOME OF US TURNED TRAITORS. THE OTHERS MUST NEVER KNOW"
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Mar 23, 2016 09:04
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That's exactly it. DA are probably one of the coolest loyalist legions because of all that backstory. Most legions have a mirror. DA are kinda like the loyalist Alpha Legion.
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Almost no one seriously gave a poo poo about the Nikea Edict other than Dorne. Magnus was designed for it and couldn't give it up, the Khan was against restricting the gift and didn't care for the rule (and no one cared about him anyway), Russ was a hypocrite and doing not-magic casually. I'm guessing Sanguinus was not enforcing it all that strongly being highly in tune with his powers, Curze was also a psyker but had other poo poo to think about, the Lion and Alpharius loved their seecreets so that's that. Mortarion was too busy huffing toxins to notice that his second in command was a practicing witch and got royally hosed for it, Angron didn't have any after his whole Librarius tried to shank him. Dorne actually did it. Roboute... Probably but not entirely? No idea about Perturabo and the remaining few.
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Sanguinius was enforcing it. His legion had wardens all over the loving place.
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Mar 23, 2016 10:48
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Luther is Alpharius
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DJ Dizzy posted:Sanguinius was enforcing it. His legion had wardens all over the loving place. Ah alright, makes sense. At best I skimmed any of the BA books. Are any of them good? I'm stuck with no computer, just a smartphone and a kindle, so I'm down for cheesy HH book recommendations.
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Fear To Tread is decent, but can get abit drawn out. It shows how the legion handles the red thirst, and how Sanguinius cares about his legionaries.
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DeadGame posted:I'm reading Nemesis. It's not bad. Nemesis is actually one of the worst books in the series.
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panascope posted:Nemesis is actually one of the worst books in the series. He's comparing it to Fallen Angels, it's a masterpiece in those terms.
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panascope posted:Nemesis is actually one of the worst books in the series. The writing across the series is poor, so judging it on those terms is a waste of time. Does it have some bad lore ? At this point it seems all the books have flaws there. So I'm going by what entertains me. Mechanicum and Fallen Angels were pretty boring. Also it would be great if the Lion was the traitor, but they don't seem to be telling that story unless fallen angels is a corrupted attempt to also hide the truth, as it ends with the Lion helping Perturabo. GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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DJ Dizzy posted:The great secret the DA are hiding is that Luther was the loyalist, and Lion was the traitor. Lion then turned back into loyalist. Makes more sense than "OH GOD SOME OF US TURNED TRAITORS. THE OTHERS MUST NEVER KNOW" But nah, the Lion was definitely loyalist. He and the bulk of the Dark Angels were off on the Thramas crusade, hosed up the Night Lords, joined up with the Ultramarines and Blood Angels in that dumb Imperium Secundus plotline, and then hosed up a bunch of traitor worlds while trying to make it back to Terra in time. There may have been some doubt about him and his legion around the time of Istvaan, but I'm guessing being attacked by the Night Lords pushed them into the loyalist side if nothing else. 
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Vile Dark Angels propaganda.
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The shameful secret is probably that the Lion thought it was his Terran recruits who'd betray him, but in reality it's his very own Calibanites who went all "spread some hot, sweet chaos all over my perfectly chiseled abs hmmhm yeah wait what was the topic again
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Mango Polo posted:The shameful secret is probably that the Lion thought it was his Terran recruits who'd betray him, but in reality it's his very own Calibanites who went all "spread some hot, sweet chaos all over my perfectly chiseled abs hmmhm yeah  Fallen
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koreban posted:
The White Scars had a huge chunk of their dudes side with Horus, but you don't hear about them going all "woe is our dark secret"! Though I suppose they didn't go for daemonic swords.
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I think that also accounts for the SW low numbers.
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Luthor being loyalist makes a much more interesting story. The latest 40k book and that one about the space wolves vs alpha legion after Prospero also drop some hints about it, but I doubt they'll ever outright say it. I've never read a book from Black Library except the Cain stuff. The bar for writing just doesn't seem high and the primarchs seem like super hero stories (which is cool if that's your thing)
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Yep. It would be a good reason for the whole hunting down the fallen thing, for fear that they reveal the truth. And tieing it in with Cypher and his journey to Terra would also make sense.
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Mango Polo posted:The White Scars had a huge chunk of their dudes side with Horus, but you don't hear about them going all "woe is our dark secret"!  More than likely it's that and the fact that the Heresy wasn't fleshed out when the Dark Angels' back story was written so a bunch of dudes from an otherwise loyal legion turning traitor was supposed to be a big deal.DJ Dizzy posted:I think that also accounts for the SW low numbers.
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Nah. Nerds can't fight.
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It definitely feels a little like a relic of the initial heresy vision, what with everyone having their own traitors. I imagine the Black Library will eventually get around to re-explaining it. Same as when the legions got massively boosted in size to their modern numbers, it makes for some odd things. As for the Wolves, they got wrecked really hard the moment the Sons decided to push back. And then the Alpha Legion came around shortly after to dog pile (haw haw) on them further. They kind of had a poo poo time, really.
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Mango Polo posted:As for the Wolves, they got wrecked really hard the moment the Sons decided to push back. And then the Alpha Legion came around shortly after to dog pile (haw haw) on them further. Nuhuh. At any rate, lexicanum describes the wolves losses as being "moderate", so anywhere from 25-50% casualties. I'm assuming they didnt have an easy time with the two other legions they forcibly hosed either. Which book is AL vs SW in btw?
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