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I watched the video and imo it was a mistake for the feds to shoot at the van after it had stopped before anyone got out, but it was a bigger mistake for Finicum to keep reaching.
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Mar 23, 2016 08:24
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Jewel Repetition posted:I watched the video and imo it was a mistake for the feds to shoot at the van after it had stopped before anyone got out, but it was a bigger mistake for Finicum to keep reaching. he was just going to offer the feds a stick of his hubba bubba bubble gum
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Mar 23, 2016 08:28
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Kazak_Hstan posted:Shawna Cox, one of the Malheur occupiers currently out on bail, on the Jake Ryan situation: At this point, I think she was given bail just to bait out more people on the poo poo list and I'm sure the FBI was just waiting for her to reach out like an idiot.
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Mar 23, 2016 08:53
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cumshitter posted:What if I were a state representative and I purposely published state secrets in a bill along with my pricing scheme for selling my votes and some child pornography? That quoted section specifically said they're not protected against treason and felony. Pretty sure state secrets and child porn fall into one and then the other. Is this correct?
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Mar 23, 2016 11:05
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Cheap Shot posted:That quoted section specifically said they're not protected against treason and felony. Pretty sure state secrets and child porn fall into one and then the other. Is this correct? Not quite. First, it only applies to members of Congress, not state representatives. Members of congress are protected from arrest when going to and from Congress for anything but treason and felonies - for example, if one shoplifts on the way to Congress you can charge them with a crime but you cannot arrest them. However, the speech and debate clause is different. It means that Congressmen can't be charged with a crime (or even questioned) based on any speech they make in Congress. It has been used to read the Pentagon Papers into the public record, for example. In all three examples, the congressman can't be arrested. The FBI would certainly use the pricing scheme for selling votes and child pornography as the basis for a search warrant (or try - I'm not sure if "shall not be questioned" extends to barring its use to secure a search warrant) and try to catch the congressman doing something outside of speaking in congress.
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evilweasel posted:Not quite. First, it only applies to members of Congress, not state representatives. Members of congress are protected from arrest when going to and from Congress for anything but treason and felonies - for example, if one shoplifts on the way to Congress you can charge them with a crime but you cannot arrest them. However, the speech and debate clause is different. It means that Congressmen can't be charged with a crime (or even questioned) based on any speech they make in Congress. It has been used to read the Pentagon Papers into the public record, for example. In all three examples, the congressman can't be arrested. The FBI would certainly use the pricing scheme for selling votes and child pornography as the basis for a search warrant (or try - I'm not sure if "shall not be questioned" extends to barring its use to secure a search warrant) and try to catch the congressman doing something outside of speaking in congress. If it's really, really heinous, like avowed kiddy porn, the other members of congress can vote for expulsion for the offending person. At that point all bets are essentially off from a criminal standpoint.
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I don't thin you can prosecute someone for what they said on the floor of Congress once they leave Congress. That would completely undermine the speech and debate clause; it is intended to give Congress the latitude to do business without fear of reprisal by the branch of government with the guns. Expelling the member would just mean they aren't in Congress any more. For instance, it was not an option for the administration to arrest Mike Gravel the day after he left office for reading the Pentagon Papers into the record.
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DeathSandwich posted:If it's really, really heinous, like avowed kiddy porn, the other members of congress can vote for expulsion for the offending person. At that point all bets are essentially off from a criminal standpoint. As I read that section of the Constitution, even expulsion wouldn't open the person up to criminal charges. It's a categorical ban, that only Congress may punish people for speeches made in Congress. The fact that Congress has, at best, the power to expel the person doesn't change that.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:19
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Kazak_Hstan posted:Shawna Cox, one of the Malheur occupiers currently out on bail, on the Jake Ryan situation: hahaha she is going to get her bail revoked Xelkelvos posted:At this point, I think she was given bail just to bait out more people on the poo poo list and I'm sure the FBI was just waiting for her to reach out like an idiot. Oh that would be so perfect, just a bunch of feds waiting at the airports and interstates in the area for people they're looking for to start showing up and then nabbing them while Shawna loses her poo poo on Facebook that nobody bothered to come
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Xelkelvos posted:At this point, I think she was given bail just to bait out more people on the poo poo list and I'm sure the FBI was just waiting for her to reach out like an idiot. Feels like giving the Feds more credit than their due, now that it's come out that the January roadblock was their hastily assembled effort to stop the Grant County meeting rather than a prearranged sting.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:02
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/712755953091747840 To no one's surprise, valuable stuff is missing from the refuge buildings and they left it a literal shithole.
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Mar 23, 2016 22:51
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if only the mean ol' government hadn't stepped in, then they could have used those money and cameras to help the people of Harney County!
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Mar 23, 2016 22:54
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Entropic posted:https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/712755953091747840 uh no they clearly said they were tending the land and cleaning up the mess left by the federal government and any mess remaining was just because the FBI were huge jerks and didn't leave them enough time to 
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Mar 23, 2016 22:56
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Uh guys they left it in better condition than when they found it The grass is gonna grow in so much better with all that fertilizer everywhere
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Mar 24, 2016 00:04
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I have yet to poo poo in a hole in the ground and I hope to never have to
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Entropic posted:https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/712755953091747840 Proud patriots rebelling against low-flow tyranny
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Mar 24, 2016 00:15
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I'm imagining a bunch of libertarians standing around this shithole after they dug it, patting themselves on the back all like "Yep, we don't need the government to take a poo poo now!" like "but who will build the roads?  " but with poop
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Mar 24, 2016 00:42
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Malheur is seriously going to be able to do a guided tour of all the sovcit stuff. poo poo, I'd pay $20 in admiralty currency to take that tour. *And HERE is where David Fry almost got shot by a sniper*
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Was it Frye who was on the phone with someone and said it looked great and better than they found it, and the dude in the background just started coughing and making dismissive, dubious noises hinting for David to maybe change the subject? That was pretty great. It was pretty funny how they kept insisting that the place was great and workers were free to come in and work and they hadn't touched anything despite not a single person believing them, and in the end with a back hoe digging up grave sites in the background
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Mar 24, 2016 01:38
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Jesus how much goddamned weed did they bring and smoke? I'm assuming the tobacco was emptied out to use the paper as joints at least
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Mar 24, 2016 01:42
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Epic High Five posted:Jesus how much goddamned weed did they bring and smoke? I'm assuming the tobacco was emptied out to use the paper as joints at least Nah, I'm thinking those are filtered tubes and loose tobacco for making your own cigarettes. I did that for years as a cost-saving measure when I still smoked, although I used much better tobacco than what that looks like. There is a little mechanical gizmo that pushes the tobacco into the tubes and leaves you with a pretty normal filtered cigarette if you know what you are doing.
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Epic High Five posted:Jesus how much goddamned weed did they bring and smoke? I'm assuming the tobacco was emptied out to use the paper as joints at least I think only the fryman brought and smoked weed while he was there and iirc they all got lovely with him about it we're sovereign citizens on the land but oh heavens don't break the law and smoke any of that devil's lettuce
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Nah, I'm thinking those are filtered tubes and loose tobacco for making your own cigarettes. I did that for years as a cost-saving measure when I still smoked, although I used much better tobacco than what that looks like. There is a little mechanical gizmo that pushes the tobacco into the tubes and leaves you with a pretty normal filtered cigarette if you know what you are doing. I guess so. That's super weird though, everybody I've ever known that rolled their own didn't use filters. With decent tobacco it actually tasted kind of nice provided you didn't go overboard. Mirthless posted:I think only the fryman brought and smoked weed while he was there and iirc they all got lovely with him about it Even Freepers smoke weed. everybody smokes weed, what a weird thing for them to get uptight about as they poo poo all over tribal gravesites
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Epic High Five posted:Was it Frye who was on the phone with someone and said it looked great and better than they found it, and the dude in the background just started coughing and making dismissive, dubious noises hinting for David to maybe change the subject? That was pretty great. It was that sovcit blogger Gavin who asked while the fat guy was on the line, and even he couldn't bring himself to lie hard enough to say it looked OK.
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Epic High Five posted:I guess so. That's super weird though, everybody I've ever known that rolled their own didn't use filters. With decent tobacco it actually tasted kind of nice provided you didn't go overboard. tbh I'm pretty sure that most of these (particular) sovcit guys aren't in it because they're libertarians with a strong stance on individual liberties it's because most of them are religious* white supremacists with direct ties to active hate groups (I don't have a beef /w religion, but that's more where the 3%er's political priorities lie is what I am getting at) Seriously though it shouldn't really be a surprise that the sagebrush rebellion really took off again when the Kenyan Muslim Stole the White House. These are the people who took the phrase "not my president" to it's logical (heh) conclusion Mirthless has issued a correction as of 02:05 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Are you ready for some filth? In 3 weeks it went from pristine federal land to unkempt trailer park. In 3 more weeks It would have become a modern retelling of Lord Of The Flies.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Nah, I'm thinking those are filtered tubes and loose tobacco for making your own cigarettes. I did that for years as a cost-saving measure when I still smoked, although I used much better tobacco than what that looks like. There is a little mechanical gizmo that pushes the tobacco into the tubes and leaves you with a pretty normal filtered cigarette if you know what you are doing. Weird. Most cigarettes use tobacco that's loaded to the gills with additives, while a lot of loose tobacco that's cheaper is additive free and actually has flavor.
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If you're going to the trouble of smoking loose tobacco why not just smoke a pipe? I did once for like a month and it was real cool until I remembered smoking is dumb as hell and knocked that poo poo off.
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I really did laugh out loud when some visitor who was super sympathetic to the cause was on social media reassuring everyone that the place was super clean and being taken care of, and there were "daily chores." The word was so strange and quaint, and I was puzzled who he was trying to impress. Chores are a list of things parents force their kids to do on an arbitrary basis to show them how to take care of their living spaces because otherwise they'll just stew in filth. Any adult has probably learned to just continually take care of themselves instead of thinking "Well it's Monday, what chores do I have today?" Turns out they're children.
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Plan Z posted:Weird. Most cigarettes use tobacco that's loaded to the gills with additives, while a lot of loose tobacco that's cheaper is additive free and actually has flavor. I used to get 5lb bags of something roughly equivalent to Natural Spirit tobacco, but much cheaper. No additives and weird chemicals, and generally much better than major brands. The stuff there in that pic looks kind of like Drum or something else that is flaked to hell and probably crap.
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Knight posted:I really did laugh out loud when some visitor who was super sympathetic to the cause was on social media reassuring everyone that the place was super clean and being taken care of, and there were "daily chores." The word was so strange and quaint, and I was puzzled who he was trying to impress. Chores are a list of things parents force their kids to do on an arbitrary basis to show them how to take care of their living spaces because otherwise they'll just stew in filth. Any adult has probably learned to just continually take care of themselves instead of thinking "Well it's Monday, what chores do I have today?" It's funny that they were already thinking this when those videos Fry was leaking out pretty much showed garbage bags of trash everywhere along with the lawn furniture heap palisade. These photos are just more definitive proof. CaptainSarcastic posted:The stuff there in that pic looks kind of like Drum or something else that is flaked to hell and probably crap. Judging by the condition of the cigarettes near by the pile, it looks like they're squeezing out individual Marlboros for some loving reason.
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Personal. Responsibility. No. Socialized. Health. Care. *takes huge drag on cigarette, bursts into coughing*
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Knight posted:I really did laugh out loud when some visitor who was super sympathetic to the cause was on social media reassuring everyone that the place was super clean and being taken care of, and there were "daily chores." The word was so strange and quaint, and I was puzzled who he was trying to impress. Chores are a list of things parents force their kids to do on an arbitrary basis to show them how to take care of their living spaces because otherwise they'll just stew in filth. Any adult has probably learned to just continually take care of themselves instead of thinking "Well it's Monday, what chores do I have today?" You see in the military, it's drilled into your head in boot camp: "cleanliness is continuous, maintenance is continuous, improvement is continuous". Unfortunately most of the patriots are lying about military service and never learned this lesson, therefore they just dig a hole in an indian burial ground and poo poo in it. If I recall the latrine guide correctly, a 1 foot deep hole, the width of a folding shovel, and 4 feet long, will support 4-5 people for up to 4 days. at which point you cover it up (ideally with lime). Patriots: SHITTER'S FULL? gently caress IT GET THE BACKHOE.
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Can I please volunteer for some kind of program that makes the inmates who poo poo into an indian burial ground believe they're haunted by the poltergeists forever? I'm willing to do it under the supervision of both ashton kutcher and Paiute Native Americans for prankfulness and respectful authenticity.
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VikingSkull posted:I have yet to poo poo in a hole in the ground and I hope to never have to 100 yards from water, at least six inches deep, dont let your trowel touch the poop, pack out your TP. Do it it's liberating.
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