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Dallan Invictus posted:"Conservative Member of Parliament for Medicine Hat-Cardston-Warner" Just a reminder for those who don't know: Cardston was the location of the first Mormon temple outside the US. The CPC could've run a ficus plant in that riding and it would've got elected.
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Dallan Invictus posted:I'm sure that if he's done or said anything worthy of venomous hatred someone ITT will bring it up but RIP, irrelevant Conservative backbencher. Dying at work in the wee hours, at age 41, is not high on the list of Best Ways To Go. According to Wikipedia, Jim Hillyer has: - Made gun gestures with his hands after the long gun registry was repealed - Rolled his eyes during one of Pat Martin's speeches - Parachuted from his hometown of Lethbridge into Medicine Hat after the previous Medicine Hat MP resigned So he's basically Rob Anders.
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Mar 23, 2016 15:44
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Awful news to die so young, at least make it to 60 or have a crack binge 
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Frosted Flake posted:41 with young kids, yikes! e: beaten.
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Frosted Flake posted:41 with young kids, yikes!
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PT6A posted:I'm coming around more and more to this point of view myself, but I still think it's incompatible with the drive to increase graduation rates by any means necessary. Don't get me wrong: I think we need an educated populace, but I don't think we get there by turning university into High School 2.0. We need to maintain and even increase current standards and expectations as a condition of making tuition free, otherwise we're just funding people to dick around for another four years. PT6A posted:I think the disconnect occurs because some people believe increasing graduation rates at whatever level means meaningfully increasing the average level of education, and others believe that it's s fiction created by the lowering of standards. I'm in the latter camp.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:24
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Is iiiitt..... telling the source of applicants to do a better job training them?
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how does floor crossing work these days? I would laugh if a liberal-minded person ended up getting the Conservative nomination in this by-election and then just going "fooled you, I bleed red/orange/green" after getting sworn in.
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Aces High posted:how does floor crossing work these days? I would laugh if a liberal-minded person ended up getting the Conservative nomination in this by-election and then just going "fooled you, I bleed red/orange/green" after getting sworn in. I'm pretty sure that the Conservative vetting process involves blood testing for elevated levels of FYGM high enough to stop a Liberal's heart.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:56
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tagesschau posted:It's pretty clear that a significant proportion of Canadian post-secondary students just aren't qualified to be there. Unfortunately, if you treat it too much like a business, you require growth, and there's only one way to do that once you've exhausted the pool of qualified potential students. International students. Let's just have them subsidize post secondary education for citizens. (not entirely kidding, we're already seeing the move towards that model in a disorganized manner)
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Mar 23, 2016 18:08
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I feel sad for Hyllier's kids losing their dad.quote:
drat, Cromwell is great to watch during hearings; he loves going after bullshit. I'm going to miss him, and his Truman Capote-esque way.
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Jordan7hm posted:International students. Let's just have them subsidize post secondary education for citizens. Oh it's not disorganized at all. Universities that got hit hard in 2008 are really leaning on international students to make up any funding shortfalls in pension or grants, not to mention all universities are just in build, build, build mode despite the fact that according to current demographics there's going to be less students in 50 years than there are now.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtp1eDz_mY
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Mar 23, 2016 18:44
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Huge numbers of international students makes education worse for Canadians, so it's not a great solution, even if it does bring n money.
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El Scotch posted:drat, Cromwell is great to watch during hearings; he loves going after bullshit. I'm going to miss him, and his Truman Capote-esque way. Ugh it's going to be so cringey hearing some conservatives try and link this to the ongoing supreme court appointment controversy in the states. Because you just know someone somewhere is going "Hey, we can block them like that too"
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Mar 23, 2016 18:46
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To add to the gently caress cancer train Arnold Chan announced his is back today
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Dreylad posted:Oh it's not disorganized at all. Universities that got hit hard in 2008 are really leaning on international students to make up any funding shortfalls in pension or grants, not to mention all universities are just in build, build, build mode despite the fact that according to current demographics there's going to be less students in 50 years than there are now. Disorganized in that there seems to be a lack of a unified strategy. They're doing it because they're scrambling.
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Ghomeshi Chat: Guilty or Not Guilty of anything? I'm guessing Not Guilty 
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I'm guessing Not Guilty too. Even though that piece of poo poo is guilty as gently caress, the crown completely botched their case.
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"I am a concerned mother of three, keep male and female washrooms where our children can pee" is a pretty dope rhyme. Also I just laughed so hard my face hurts. InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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InfiniteZero posted:"I am a concerned mother of three, keep male and female washrooms where our children can pee" is a pretty dope rhyme. I will say the website the video links to is pretty slick http://familyshouldknow.com/ even if it comes down to "“I STAND WITH ALBERTA’S BISHOPS AGAINST TOTALITARIAN ‘GENDER IDENTITY’ SCHOOL POLICY.”
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Good evening, I'm Flakeloaf; Itkanski is away today.quote:http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/deal-with-teachers-unions-called-net-zero-by-ontario-government-actually-costs-300-million Zero rounds up to three hundred million pretty easily, it seems. Could it be that the libs have, in fact, libbed?
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McGavin posted:I'm pretty sure that the Conservative vetting process involves blood testing for elevated levels of FYGM high enough to stop a Liberal's heart. I would assume that there's a gut-wrenching initiation ritual not unlike the mafia.
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Dreylad posted:I will say the website the video links to is pretty slick http://familyshouldknow.com/ even if it comes down to "“I STAND WITH ALBERTA’S BISHOPS AGAINST TOTALITARIAN ‘GENDER IDENTITY’ SCHOOL POLICY.” It's a squarespace template.
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jm20 posted:It's a squarespace template. Shows what I know!
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Jordan7hm posted:International students. Let's just have them subsidize post secondary education for citizens. They're not exclusively international, but I guess the higher international tuition helps. They must hope that it'll be a long time before people notice that they're turning out increasingly subpar graduates.
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lmao Jordan7hm posted:Disorganized in that there seems to be a lack of a unified strategy. They're doing it because they're scrambling. It's also because Canadian universities are notoriously bad at negotiating when receiving donations from wealthy people. Education budgets have been getting cut across the country for the last 20 years or so and universities have a few different streams of revenue they've been levering to make up the shortfall. One is raising tuition, one is admitting more international students, one is increasing use of low-paid teachers (adjuncts and TAs) rather than high-paid tenured faculty, one is shifting their focus towards profitable research rather than pure research (corporate partnerships, etc.), and the big one for building construction is increasing the amount of money they make through philanthropy and donations by wealthy alumni. This is where a lot of Canada's new university buildings are coming from. The problem is that Canadian universities have little leverage in the negotiations over these gifts, and tend not to push the donors for fear of losing the entire donation. Every donor wants their name on a building, but very few donors want to commit to either a large enough up-front payment or a large enough ongoing contribution that the building with their name on it can actually be fully utilized. As a result, buildings are going up across Canadian campuses for universities that don't have the money to adequately fill those buildings with equipment, students, and faculty. At the University of Waterloo it apparently got bad enough that an entire building was completed with a famous person's name on it, but there was no money in the donation to outfit this building with desks, chairs, office equipment, etc., and so the building just sat there completely empty, not being used for anything at all. Yeah, Famous Guy got his name on a building, but it was actually a loss for the university in the short run, which suddenly had to pay the costs of maintaining this massive new building without actually getting any benefits from filling it with productive university assets since, again, there was no money to do so. This was seen by UW faculty as a failure by the university administration, which failed to secure the necessary funds to actually make sure this building would be used before it was constructed. But hey, it all worked out in the end since the president in charge of that negotiation got promoted to a new position where he can no longer make such bad decisions: Governor-General of Canada. I'm sure some universities have unified strategies for their future, but you're right that a lot of them are scrambling. The biggest reason why they're scrambling is because the last two decades have seen their steady source of state funds getting steadily reduced, leaving them to cobble together the money needed for their operations from a whole bunch of smaller sources instead. A lot of those other funding sources are not discretionary, whereas state funding typically includes a big chunk of discretionary funding. Inevitably, when you do that, you end up with a disjointed and cobbled-together strategy for university operations, management, and development, because they don't have the same flexibility they had before and spend a lot more time thinking about how to make more money and a lot less time thinking about how to move the university forward. This is besides even getting into the problems of university administrative bloat, of course. That's a whole separate, though related, topic.
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mojo1701a posted:I would assume that there's a gut-wrenching initiation ritual not unlike the mafia. I heard it was pretty simple and all you had to do was suckle orphan's tears from the teat of a 20 foot high statue of Ayn Rand made entirely of purestrain gold.
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The student union are Carleton voted to increase tuition 5% a year, and also to lower tuition for foreign students. The university system is a mess.
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Frosted Flake posted:The student union are Carleton voted to increase tuition 5% a year, and also to lower tuition for foreign students. Why does the student union have control over tuition fees via a vote, isn't that the university's job? 
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Frosted Flake posted:The student union are Carleton voted to increase tuition 5% a year, and also to lower tuition for foreign students. I once attended a CUPE union meeting for my university, mostly for the free pizza, and partially because I wanted to see how this stuff works. The CUPE local meeting I attended was for representing the interests of sessional lecturers and TAs. Holy gently caress are these people the worst, most incompetent morons. The amount of bickering and infighting was insane. They also apparently spent something like $40,000 renovating their office because it felt too 'oppressive', though I'm sure that's just one of many hilarious abuses of our fee contributions. I can only imagine how dysfunctional other student-run unions are.
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Frosted Flake posted:The student union are Carleton voted to increase tuition 5% a year, and also to lower tuition for foreign students. The student union at Carleton voted to stop supporting cystic fibrosis charities because that's a disease of white men.
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Trees and Squids posted:I once attended a CUPE union meeting for my university, mostly for the free pizza, and partially because I wanted to see how this stuff works. The CUPE local meeting I attended was for representing the interests of sessional lecturers and TAs. Holy gently caress are these people the worst, most incompetent morons. The amount of bickering and infighting was insane. They also apparently spent something like $40,000 renovating their office because it felt too 'oppressive', though I'm sure that's just one of many hilarious abuses of our fee contributions. Student union elections are a huge scam. At Toronto turnout was regularly under 20% with a very heavy incumbency bias, so as long as you could get on the ticket for the group that had been running the place for the last decade you just won yourself a $40,000/year job with very little oversight.
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flakeloaf posted:The student union at Carleton voted to stop supporting cystic fibrosis charities because that's a disease of white men. That's the one that made me start denying I'd ever attended classes there.
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Trees and Squids posted:I once attended a CUPE union meeting for my university, mostly for the free pizza, and partially because I wanted to see how this stuff works. The CUPE local meeting I attended was for representing the interests of sessional lecturers and TAs. Holy gently caress are these people the worst, most incompetent morons. The amount of bickering and infighting was insane. They also apparently spent something like $40,000 renovating their office because it felt too 'oppressive', though I'm sure that's just one of many hilarious abuses of our fee contributions. I think you're conflating undergraduate student unions and the actual accredited union that represents graduate students and (in some cases) contract faculty. That having been said, student unions of all types can be pretty awful and CUPE in particular is very subject to criticism. I've been on the picket lines with CUPE and it can get really loving frustrating, especially when you have dueling factions that are both filled with dysfunctional people. Unions are important institutions but spending some time actually participating in union affairs can be a very eye opening experience for anyone who wants to understand why unions have such a bad reputation with so many people.
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this is what the CANADIAN FEDERATION OF STUDENTS is for u guys
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