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Sarmhan
Nov 1, 2011

Sickening posted:

At this point if my choice is between the pro's and Gabby, Gabby seems like the clear decision for one seat. She is just seems to have more of an affinity for commentating even if she can't really do it at a pro level yet.
The big problem with using pros as commentators is they often want to play in the events that you want to cover.
For example, LSV is cutting back on doing GPs this year, because he has enough pro points to make playing in them relevant.

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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

mcmagic posted:

Was Phantasmal Image an Auto 4 of in Standard? I wasn't playing in a format with it...

No, because drownyard control was a deck that played no creatures other than snapcaster mage b/c it had black suns zenith, doom blade, tragic slip etc and just didn't give a poo poo about having any creatures

e: also looking at lists esper in the same format didn't run it because it played no creature cards (except snapcaster as an instant p. much) and valued off with walkers and lingering souls tokens

but in this standard where every deck is playing creatures with tons of value? hell yeah it would be

atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 23, 2016

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Yeah, not XUG

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Sickening posted:

Owen would rather play magic. That is also part of the problem of finding commentators.

I would also assume owen is too much of a dick to be likable long term.

I've heard Sullivan is a dick in person too. I think most good broadcasters are dicks... Not just for Magic.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


mcmagic posted:

You find Rich Hagon entertaining? :(

Hell yeah. He's the only likable one whenever I've tuned in. His talent is wasted doing deck tech or whatever dumb poo poo they do when they interview players, though he's great there too.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Rinkles posted:

Yeah, not XUG



Kev Walker does good art.

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully
Thing is Owen also comes across as a dick in his regular videos/streams. I can't imagine he would come off differently in the booth. He'd be among my last picks out of 'top tier pros'.

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

Sickening posted:

Owen would rather play magic. That is also part of the problem of finding commentators.

Agree. Gaby is personable, and somewhere on the spectrum like Kenji of good at magic but not quite good enough to make a run at it as a pro and good at public speaking.. Remember that Kenji had a shot at coverage for some lower key event last year? I think he's said on stream that coverage just isn't for him. Gaby did really well at it. She plays a lot of modo, and apparently she's going to do the stream during the week do coverage on weekend thing. She plays standard, current limited, and modern, so she should be well enough versed in formats to give decent analysis.

Bread Set Jettison
Jan 8, 2009

Rinkles posted:

Yeah, not XUG



Love me some clone effects

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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MiddleEastBeast posted:

Thing is Owen also comes across as a dick in his regular videos/streams. I can't imagine he would come off differently in the booth. He'd be among my last picks out of 'top tier pros'.

I think being a dick is kind of his shtick now. He's always been fine in person in the few times I've been around him.

Terrible Horse
Apr 27, 2004
:I
Outside of a bit too much nervous giggling, Gaby was perfect, especially when paired with LSV. I think I remember a bit more dead air when paired with Marshall but still overall the best coverage team by a long shot.

Hagon is a big goof and an unfortunate looking man, but he's very charming and excited about the game. I'd rather have him doing the in between round stuff all day than watching BDM struggle his way through.

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Sickening posted:

Owen would rather play magic. That is also part of the problem of finding commentators.

I would also assume owen is too much of a dick to be likable long term.
If we can get him to dress like Don Cherry he might still be watchable.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

jassi007 posted:

Agree. Gaby is personable, and somewhere on the spectrum like Kenji of good at magic but not quite good enough to make a run at it as a pro and good at public speaking.. Remember that Kenji had a shot at coverage for some lower key event last year? I think he's said on stream that coverage just isn't for him. Gaby did really well at it. She plays a lot of modo, and apparently she's going to do the stream during the week do coverage on weekend thing. She plays standard, current limited, and modern, so she should be well enough versed in formats to give decent analysis.

They're mostly just lucky Gaby likes Magic and is financially independent because they couldn't actually afford her otherwise because attractive people who can speak well on camera typically have way higher aspirations than "commentate nerd card game."

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Angry Grimace posted:

They're mostly just lucky Gaby likes Magic and is financially independent because they couldn't actually afford her otherwise because attractive people who can speak well on camera typically have way higher aspirations than "commentate nerd card game."

I can definitely see the value in having at least one face of the game that is a woman.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

mcmagic posted:

I can definitely see the value in having at least one face of the game that is a woman.

Like everything related to Magic, I'm willing to bet the commentators don't get paid poo poo because WOTC mostly just finds people willing to work for peanuts because they like Magic. Reading a weather forecast on the local news probably pays a lot better and requires doing less actual work than doing commentary for Magic games.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

mcmagic posted:

Was Phantasmal Image an Auto 4 of in Standard? I wasn't playing in a format with it...

Yes.

Well maybe not that far but it and its bff other undercosted clone Phyrexian Metamorph were very good with ETB creatures like the titans and massacre wurm. Wasn't that before the legend rule change? They could kill Geist.

It's so sexy and sexitive (geddit coz hes a sexbom lol phantasmal image ruls 4 lif nut as muxh as phyrexian metamorph ur sex on legz I luv u u fokeng rok mary me!111)

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Sun Titan + Phantasmal Image was a thing in M12 / Innistrad standard for a while along with Unburial Rites.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Yes.

Well maybe not that far but it and its bff other undercosted clone Phyrexian Metamorph were very good with ETB creatures like the titans and massacre wurm. Wasn't that before the legend rule change? They could kill Geist.

It's so sexy and sexitive (geddit coz hes a sexbom lol phantasmal image ruls 4 lif nut as muxh as phyrexian metamorph ur sex on legz I luv u u fokeng rok mary me!111)

I miss actually good clones so bad.

Just make 3 mana the loving baseline already, they were everywhere at 2 and nowhere at 4.

TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Mar 23, 2016

Lets Pickle
Jul 9, 2007

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Yes.

Well maybe not that far but it and its bff other undercosted clone Phyrexian Metamorph were very good with ETB creatures like the titans and massacre wurm. Wasn't that before the legend rule change? They could kill Geist.


It also killed Thrun, the last Troll.

I also wish they would make a 3 mana clone, but they seem to be content making 4 mana Clones with upside, which is also cool I guess. You can't really make it cost less than 4 without adding some kind of downside.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

It would be pretty sick with Woodland Bellower if it costed 3.

Dungeon Ecology
Feb 9, 2011

nice clone, but the best clone effect flavorwise will always be evil twin, from the original innistrad.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

mcmagic posted:

Was Phantasmal Image an Auto 4 of in Standard? I wasn't playing in a format with it...

It was a staple. Copying a Titan is a big game, killing a Geist is a big game, doing both and being part of the core of Solar Flare is the biggest game.

Sarmhan
Nov 1, 2011

Irony Be My Shield posted:

It would be pretty sick with Woodland Bellower if it costed 3.
If by sick you mean utterly broken, yes.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

sarmhan posted:

If by sick you mean utterly broken, yes.

What's wrong with Squadron Bellowers?

Snacksmaniac
Jan 12, 2008

Chill la Chill posted:

Hell yeah. He's the only likable one whenever I've tuned in. His talent is wasted doing deck tech or whatever dumb poo poo they do when they interview players, though he's great there too.

I see why people don't like him but he's one of the few people in all of esports (I guess magic is an esport?) that understands broadcasting and his role.
So I appreciate him.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



A big flaming stink posted:

What's wrong with Squadron Bellowers?

No that would imply the other Bellowers went to hand, and not that one Woodland Bellower would instantly become 5.

Lawnie
Sep 6, 2006

That is my helmet
Give it back
you are a lion
It doesn't even fit
Grimey Drawer

Yawgmoth posted:

If we can get him to dress like Don Cherry he might still be watchable.

HEY LISTEN UP OUT THERE YOU YOUNG CANADIAN MAGIC PLAYERS: MAGIC IS ABOUT SMASHING FACE WITH FAT CREATURES, THATS HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY. THESE DAYS YOU'VE GOT THESE SOFT LAZY EURO PLAYERS WITH THEIR CONTROL DECKS AND COMBO-WOMBO DECKS AND BIG COLORLESS FREAK AL DRAZI DECKS, CROWDING THE GOOD CANADIAN BOYS OUT OF PLAYING OUR GAME WITH GRIT AND TRUCULENCE AND SOME HEAVY HITTING GRIZZLY BEARS SUITED UP WITH A LEONIN SCIMITAR

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

There used to be a code. They send your best creature to the graveyard, you remove theirs from the game.

Now they don't even remove things from the game any more!

just rust
Oct 23, 2012

Wait, did they not spoil a red card for that Vessel cycle or did I just miss something?

(The cowardly conspiracy against red mages continues)

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


it costs 1R and you can pay 1R and sac it to add RRRR to your mana pool

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

just rust posted:

Wait, did they not spoil a red card for that Vessel cycle or did I just miss something?

(The cowardly conspiracy against red mages continues)

It was spoiled much earlier.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Rinkles posted:

It was spoiled much earlier.



That is a very fair Seething Song.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

How is there not already a gimmicky modern deck that ramps/cheats Woodland Bellower into four Phantasmal Images and a one-of Dauntless Escort or something?

Rip_Van_Winkle
Jul 21, 2011

"When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
That card was very cool until I looked at the mana cost.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

The Shortest Path posted:

How is there not already a gimmicky modern deck that ramps/cheats Woodland Bellower into four Phantasmal Images and a one-of Dauntless Escort or something?

Because you should read Woodland Bellower again

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Some Numbers posted:

That card was very cool until I looked at the mana cost.

This describes a frightening number of cards in the last 2-3 years

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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I'm not sure that this would be playable even if it was just Draw a Card instead of Investigate.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

TheKingofSprings posted:

Because you should read Woodland Bellower again

Oh hey yeah I'm dumb.

Painter's Servant and blinks it is, then.

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StrugglingHoneybun
Jan 2, 2005

Aint no thing like me, 'cept me.

TheKingofSprings posted:

Because you should read Woodland Bellower again

He forgot to mention the Painter's Servant

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