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For a second there I thought wotc had reconsidered their dislike of blunderbusses
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End of Life Guy posted:He forgot to mention the Painter's Servant I mean with Pandemonium it's a 3 card combo that kills the opponent
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Mar 23, 2016 21:19
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Rinkles posted:It was spoiled much earlier. Oh, thanks. I recall seeing this card but didn't remember the name so it didn't click as part of the cycle. Some Numbers posted:That card was very cool until I looked at the mana cost. Yeah it's not rare so modern design rules dictate that it must be costed to only be useful in limited.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:19
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It's still pretty bad in limited. Even if the clue token was straight-up replaced with it cantripping it would be not great.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:21
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Instant speed, doesn't rely on temporary card state. Pretty dang good in Limited
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Mar 23, 2016 21:21
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TheKingofSprings posted:This describes a frightening number of cards in the last 2-3 years Or all years. Sivitri Scarzam would have been a great 3-drop. TheKingofSprings posted:I mean with Pandemonium it's a 3 card combo that kills the opponent Two card combo, you just need Goblin Hellraiser somewhere in your deck.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:21
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 This one has a more reasonable front-end cost.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:21
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sarmhan posted:
Didn't Origins just have an equivalent to this?
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Mar 23, 2016 21:23
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This looks exactly like something out of the first areas of Bloodborne.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:23
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Some Numbers posted:Kev Walker does good art. He's been doing it for twenty years, too. gat dayum
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Mar 23, 2016 21:23
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this card being uncommon, at such high mana cost, and restricted to 4+ power creatures tells you a lot about how this set is going to play.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:23
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The Shortest Path posted:How is there not already a gimmicky modern deck that ramps/cheats Woodland Bellower into four Phantasmal Images and a one-of Dauntless Escort or something? Yes, but its bad and made by travis woo. http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woodland-bellower-combo/
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Mar 23, 2016 21:24
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We have "Destroy target creature with power 4 or greater" instant for 1W already. Compared to that, this is five extra mana to draw a card.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:25
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sarmhan posted:
Not really... That effect isn't worth 3 mana. This is going to table.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:25
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Has the average cmc of everything gotten bigger for no reason? I feel like if someone investigated the average cmc it would be higher.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:25
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mcmagic posted:Not really... That effect isn't worth 3 mana. This is going to table.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:26
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sarmhan posted:
lol if this card said 'regenerate it' instead of 'indestructible' it would be very much a black card.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:27
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TheKingofSprings posted:Didn't Origins just have an equivalent to this?
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Mar 23, 2016 21:28
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Question on floor rules: let's say you have enough mana to correctly cast two spells, but in the process of casting spell 1 you tap the wrong mana which prevents you from casting spell 2. Under what situations and what levels of REL are "takebacks" allowed?
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Mar 23, 2016 21:29
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sarmhan posted:I said more reasonable. It's 3 mana combat trick so yea, it's not going to be a huge player. It wouldn't be good even at 2 mana.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:29
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I like how they spoil 2 expensive cards and everyone starts freaking out. There's plenty of reasonably costed commons and uncommons already spoiled.
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dragon enthusiast posted:Question on floor rules: let's say you have enough mana to correctly cast two spells, but in the process of casting spell 1 you tap the wrong mana which prevents you from casting spell 2. Under what situations and what levels of REL are "takebacks" allowed? You can untap and tap differently even in Professional REL, I'm pretty sure, VVV I'm assuming this is before you cast the spell... You've just tapped lands. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 21:30
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dragon enthusiast posted:Question on floor rules: let's say you have enough mana to correctly cast two spells, but in the process of casting spell 1 you tap the wrong mana which prevents you from casting spell 2. Under what situations and what levels of REL are "takebacks" allowed? If you put the first spell on the stack you are stuck with how you paid.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:32
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sarmhan posted:I like how they spoil 2 expensive cards and everyone starts freaking out. There's plenty of reasonably costed commons and uncommons already spoiled. I'm not freaking out, I just don't like 5 mana narrow removal spells.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:32
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Some Numbers posted:I'm not freaking out, I just don't like 5 mana narrow removal spells. I was more talking about the "WoTC only prints good cards at rare" people. If this is the only removal in the set then we'll talk, but narrow/weak cards are a part of literally every set. This one at least performs a role out of the board vs slow decks.
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sarmhan posted:I was more talking about the "WoTC only prints good cards at rare" people. If this is the only removal in the set then we'll talk, but narrow/weak cards are a part of literally every set. This one at least performs a role out of the board vs slow decks. The non-rare removal in this set is MUCH worse than OGW. Thats for sure.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:35
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It's mainly odd because it's uncommon. I imagine it was bumped up at some point.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:35
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mcmagic posted:The non-rare removal in this set is MUCH worse than OGW. Thats for sure. We don't even know what the common spells are. We've seen such a small percentage of the commons in the set. Fiery temper is better than boulder salvo, and dead weight is a really good card, especially in a format with delerium. I doubt we'll have iso zone or o-strike levels, but much worse is absolutely ridiculous. Sarmhan fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 21:37
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One mana more for a Smite the Monstrous with Investigate is almost certainly playable in limited, but its value likely drops a lot after the first you pick up for your deck.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:37
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whydirt posted:One mana more for a Smite the Monstrous with Investigate is almost certainly playable in limited, but its value likely drops a lot after the first you pick up for your deck. This one is at least good out of the board in slow-deck mirrors, since it's card advantage and removal, albeit very expensive.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:39
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sarmhan posted:[citation needed] I can't say that I agree with this. Boulder Salvo is insane.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:40
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mcmagic posted:I can't say that I agree with this. Boulder Salvo is insane.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:41
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Depends how good the madness enablers are, really.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:41
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sarmhan posted:It's good, but you can't really cast it before turn 4, it doesn't hit players, and it's a sorcery. It's often 2 mana, but not actually castable until turn 5. Sure but it kills everything you need to kill on turn 4+, Temper doesn't and unless you have a good madness shell, it's pretty meh for 3mana.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:43
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mcmagic posted:Sure but it kills everything you need to kill on turn 4+, Temper doesn't and unless you have a good madness shell, it's pretty meh for 3mana. Also I think you're underrating instant-speed, it's a big upside, even moreso in a set with werewolves.
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mcmagic posted:The non-rare removal in this set is MUCH worse than OGW. Thats for sure. No doubt, but given that Oblivion Strike and Isolation Zone were both no-brainer first picks like 80% of the time, I can't say I'm too concerned by that. I would like to see some cheap but narrow removal though; original Innistrad was good for that.
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sarmhan posted:You're comparing after-the-fact format knowledge with an incomplete spoiler of a set no one has drafted. We don't really know how good madness is, or how good of an answer 3 damage is. I should've said "with the cards we've seen so far". I still don't think Temper is better than Salvo for limited, constructed is a whole different story though.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Depends how good the madness enablers are, really. Lightning Axe, Ravenous Bloodseeker, Heir of Falkreath, and Sinister Concoction are all at uncommon and spoiled already.
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mcmagic posted:You can untap and tap differently even in Professional REL, I'm pretty sure, Alaan posted:If you put the first spell on the stack you are stuck with how you paid. Is there no level of REL where this is allowed? Ignoring whether or not players care, me and most of the players I play against at prereleases aren't big enough assholes to disallow renegs
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