Coding Horrors: You can gather all your technical debt into one easy framework!

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Pixelboy: Sep 13, 2005; Now, I know what you're thinking...

Novo posted:

http://www.haneycodes.net/npm-left-pad-have-we-forgotten-how-to-program/

I'd start making plans to escort people out the door if they depended on this nonsense.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:31

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# ? May 29, 2024 20:36

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

Novo posted:

http://www.haneycodes.net/npm-left-pad-have-we-forgotten-how-to-program/

Heh. I think I can actually break that 1-line function, though it's surprisingly tough --- that requires messing up
Function.prototype.call, which will pretty much will make everything explode. But then, if you're not doing anything
that level of stupid, the function doesn't seem any better than "foo instanceof Array"
(Me, I am a fan of foo instanceof [].constructor, of course!)

Edit: I guess the "library" approach is better if one is doing cross-frame function calls. Yes, instanceof Array would return false
on arrays from a different Window. This the coding horrors thread, right?

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 24, 2016

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:50

TheresaJayne: Jul 1, 2011

Internet Janitor posted:

If you use a CLI unpacker, archives that don't contain a top level folder can very easily explode their files into the current directory and make a mess when you blindly say "extract all". If you use a GUI unpacker you're less likely to make this mistake. Whether you care or not probably predicts which type of tools you use.

I hate the ones that have the root folder in there as I always right click and select unpack to ./archivename

# ? Mar 24, 2016 07:19

Dylan16807: May 12, 2010

https://gist.github.com/rauchg/5b032c2c2166e4e36713

require-from-twitter posted:

Since Twitter doesn't have an edit button, it's a suitable host for JavaScript modules.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 07:21

sunaurus: Feb 13, 2012; Oh great, another bookah.

http://left-pad.io/

# ? Mar 24, 2016 12:09

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

sunaurus posted:

http://left-pad.io/

code:

>curl -k "https://api.left-pad.io/?str=foo&len=4&ch=bar"
{"str":"barfoo"}

# ? Mar 24, 2016 12:38

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

That NPM stuff seems like someone heard "don't reinvent the wheel" and decided to run with it (and run with it, and run with it).

# ? Mar 24, 2016 13:28

substitute: Aug 30, 2003; you for my mum

Working on a new project with the ERP team to get customer data out on website for them.

Example column names from a data dump:

code:

bill_to_customer_number
bill_cust_name
bill_cust_add1
bill_cust_add2
bill_cust_add3
bill_cust_add4
bill_city
bill_state
bill_country
bill_zip
bill_to_cust_note

ship_to_customer_number
ship_cust_name
ship_cust_add1
ship_cust_add2
ship_cust_add3
ship_cust_add4
ship_city
ship_state
ship_country
ship_zip
ship_to_notes

for that consistency.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 13:35

Space Kablooey: May 6, 2009

Hammerite posted:

That NPM stuff seems like someone heard "don't reinvent the wheel" and decided to run with it (and run with it, and run with it).

Which isn't a bad thing in on itself, but now you have modules that are one-liners and that's completely ridiculous.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 13:41

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

necrotic posted:

This actually happened already because of this fiasco. Though this looks like someone simply botched the publishing mechanism instead of pushing something nefarious.

http://www.drinchev.com/blog/alert-npm-modules-hijacked/

The idea that released packages aren't immutable and irrevocable ("delisting" is fine) is absolutely insane for a package management provider.

Best part is the TempleOS guy chiming in.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 13:55

dwazegek: Feb 11, 2005; WE CAN USE THIS

I love how that is-positive-integer module imports a module in order to a logical AND between two boolean expressions. Which in turn imports a number of modules, one of which is a module to do a logical AND between two booleans.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:27

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

HardDisk posted:

Which isn't a bad thing in on itself, but now you have modules that are one-liners and that's completely ridiculous.

Well that's what I mean, not reinventing the wheel is a good principle but you have to balance it against other considerations, not just totally ignore everything else and take it to an absurd extreme.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 15:07

Ika: Dec 30, 2004; Pure insanity

dwazegek posted:

I love how that is-positive-integer module imports a module in order to a logical AND between two boolean expressions. Which in turn imports a number of modules, one of which is a module to do a logical AND between two booleans.

Well, we wouldn't want to do any premature optimization would we? That is ridiculous.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 15:47

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

dougdrums posted:

web developers who want to be "systems programmers" but not actually learn anything about how a computer works.

Every day I spend a few minutes worried that this is me.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 15:48

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Hammerite posted:

That NPM stuff seems like someone heard "don't reinvent the wheel" and decided to run with it (and run with it, and run with it).

It makes sense in browser dev world where everything you do could be broken in some weird version of opera/chrome/ie/ff and you want your left pad function to be written by someone who has taken the time to understand and test these things.

not that it's true in this case, but js world is definitely a place where simple things can break in weird ways.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 15:56

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

Yeah, I sometimes find myself looking for a npm library to do a somewhat simple thing just because I'm not sure I can account for all of the browser quirks.

I mean, I wouldn't for a 1 line function...but maybe I would for a 20-30 line function that has lots of contributors in the hope that OSS will save me from having to figure out how 20 different browsers do...whatever.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 16:11

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

Beyond just polyfills I think people worry too much about js quirks across browsers. What will really gently caress you over are CSS quirks.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 16:46

tyrelhill: Jul 30, 2006

xzzy posted:

In summary, everyone involved was a dipshit, ignore NPM forever. End of lesson.

Seriously, I would never risk any real project on the chance that some external dipshit can gently caress it up just cause his feelings were hurt.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 16:46

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

The thing about NPM and node is that the module is the basic unit of program composition. Where you might copy and paste a helper class (or bit-banging macro) from somewhere in another environment, in node/NPM you're expected to deal with it as a module, and then by induction basically you get this mess where the module package metadata outweighs the code by a factor of 30 and you have more 3rd-party points of failure than you can count.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 17:19

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

It makes sense in browser dev world where everything you do could be broken in some weird version of opera/chrome/ie/ff and you want your left pad function to be written by someone who has taken the time to understand and test these things.

not that it's true in this case, but js world is definitely a place where simple things can break in weird ways.

That makes perfect sense, but not when you get to the point where you're implementing a "library" that just &&s two things. At that point it seems safe to say that people have lost sight of the original purpose of having small modules and it's just a thing that they are doing for the sake of it.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 17:20

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Hammerite posted:

That makes perfect sense, but not when you get to the point where you're implementing a "library" that just &&s two things. At that point it seems safe to say that people have lost sight of the original purpose of having small modules and it's just a thing that they are doing for the sake of it.

Yeah absolutely. The current state of npm is like if someone was trying to make a hyperbolic argument against using libraries except it's no longer hyperbole.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 18:33

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

sunaurus posted:

http://left-pad.io/

Someone wrote an npm package that implements leftpad() by querying left-pad.io.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 18:39

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

fleshweasel posted:

Beyond just polyfills I think people worry too much about js quirks across browsers. What will really gently caress you over are CSS quirks.

This is probably true, but just like it's too much effort to figure out how to make something work across all browsers, it's too much effort to make sure something does work across all browsers!

(I mean, too much effort for me and the type of projects I normally do.)

# ? Mar 24, 2016 19:10

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Input events are still a huge mess cross-browser, that will never get cleaned up, because too much code has old compatibility hacks.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 20:09

TooMuchAbstraction: Oct 14, 2012; I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.; Fun Shoe

Suspicious Dish posted:

Input events are still a huge mess cross-browser, that will never get cleaned up, because too much code has old compatibility hacks.

Clearly the solution here is to do away with Javascript as a content tool and switch to Flash.

( :v:

)

# ? Mar 24, 2016 20:12

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Let's face it, it's time to give Java applets a second chance.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 20:26

MisterZimbu: Mar 13, 2006

Let's give Silverlight a first one.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 20:54

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
Computer Touching; Toilet Rascal

Soricidus posted:

Let's face it, it's time to give Java applets a second chance.

Great, you've just made all of the security people reading this thread die of an aneurysm.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 21:33

Polio Vax Scene: Apr 5, 2009

MisterZimbu posted:

Let's give Silverlight a first one.

I think I just felt my blood pressure spike.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 22:48

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

lua.. that's the current darling of embedded scripting languages, right?

# ? Mar 24, 2016 22:50

Internet Janitor: May 17, 2008; "That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

MisterZimbu posted:

Let's give Silverlight a first one.

I would unironically rather build UIs in a cut-down version of WPF than in Swing, Qt or CSS/HTML.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 22:51

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

include a mirror of npm in all browsers

# ? Mar 24, 2016 22:57

TooMuchAbstraction: Oct 14, 2012; I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.; Fun Shoe

xzzy posted:

lua.. that's the current darling of embedded scripting languages, right?

Lua's been around for ages. Nearly fifteen years ago I was working on a C++ program with embedded Lua scripting.

It's popular because it has a small footprint and it's fairly easy to get the right hooks set up.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 23:00

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Language-wise Lua is just JS minus the big WTFs and plus some small WTFs. The only reason to use it over JS is for implementation-quality reasons, so using it in browsers wouldn't really change anything.

# ? Mar 25, 2016 00:12

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

include a mirror of npm in all browsers

That may not be far off; the IPFS project has been trying to implement an npm mirror, and Joe Armstrong has been talking about content-addressed modules for a few years now.

# ? Mar 25, 2016 00:24

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

IPFS is bitcoin but without any incentives for people to run nodes, right

# ? Mar 25, 2016 01:02

Steve French: Sep 8, 2003

https://github.com/jezen/is-thirteen/issues

# ? Mar 25, 2016 05:21

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

Suspicious Dish posted:

IPFS is bitcoin but without any incentives for people to run nodes, right

I thought bitcoin was bitcoin but without any incentive for people to run nodes

# ? Mar 25, 2016 12:40

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Hammerite posted:

I thought bitcoin was bitcoin but without any incentive for people to run nodes

nah, the incentive to run nodes is fake trading volume allowing people in china to exchange their crumbling yuan for silicon valley vc cash.

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# ? May 29, 2024 20:36

Pixelboy: Sep 13, 2005; Now, I know what you're thinking...

Plorkyeran posted:

Language-wise Lua is just JS minus the big WTFs and plus some small WTFs. The only reason to use it over JS is for implementation-quality reasons, so using it in browsers wouldn't really change anything.

Just so I know what column to put you in, do you consider 1-based arrays to be a small or big WTF?

# ? Mar 26, 2016 01:17

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