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Iretep posted:I dont think drow allow a half drow to become a cleric of Lloth. Theyll make a half decent sacrifice to her though. Viconia's not a cleric of Lolth, she's a cleric of Shar. I'm actually having a hard time finding information about if drow and elves can cross-breed, so I don't know. Half-drow is a technical term referring to half-drow elves anyway, and those are majority Loviatar or Vhaeraun.
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Arivia posted:Viconia's not a cleric of Lolth, she's a cleric of Shar. Viconia used to be priestess of Llolth but because of Drow religious/political bullshit her mother tried to have her sacrified to Llolth to strengthen their house. This doesn't work out and Viconia escapes to the surface with some help. She renounces Llolth and then promptly takes up worship of Shar. As opposed to say Eilistraee, because she's still basically just an unrepentand drow, simply pissed off it didn't work out for her. Tzarnal fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 00:22
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I think she was supposed to sacrifice a baby and chickened out, thereby losing favor with both Lolth and Drow in general.
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Woolie Wool posted:Well that excuses my wizard using a Pillars of Eternity pale elf portrait then. Less excusable perhaps is how society tolerates him for looking sort of like a drow. Was he a created PC and not one of the NPC's? Because unless they tell you where they are going they are gone forever. You might just want to strip his equipment and then modify Valygar instead though.
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Tzarnal posted:Viconia used to be priestess of Llolth but because of Drow religious/political bullshit her mother tried to have her sacrified to Llolth to strengthen their house. This doesn't work out and Viconia escapes to the surface with some help. She renounces Llolth and then promptly takes up worship of Shar. As opposed to say Eilistraee, because she's still basically just an unrepentand drow, simply pissed off it didn't work out for her. Yes but you can make her neutral through the power of your charname penis, or love
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Mar 25, 2016 00:45
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Washout posted:Was he a created PC and not one of the NPC's? Because unless they tell you where they are going they are gone forever. You might just want to strip his equipment and then modify Valygar instead though. Yes. I actually did just that out of frustration. Unfortunately since my old archer is an elf and Valygar is not, Valygar will never be quite the unstoppable longbow killing machine Fabius was.
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Mar 25, 2016 00:48
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If you have a backup of the save where Fabius was still in the party you can just export his character file and re-import it once you kick Valygar out.
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Vic was a daughter of the noble House DeVir and a priestess of Lolth. The chances of her being other than pureblooded drow are basically 0.Arivia posted:I'm actually having a hard time finding information about if drow and elves can cross-breed, so I don't know. Half-drow is a technical term referring to half-drow elves anyway, and those are majority Loviatar or Vhaeraun. For interest's sake, the quickest information I can turn up on half-drow in 2e's time is from Drow of the Underdark quote:Contact and marriage with other elven races is encouraged [by the god Vhaeraun]. "Half-drow" usually breed true back into the drow race; Vhaeraun sees this practice inexorably raising drow numbers in surface lands. Shamans (Shaman, Complete Humanoids, Complete Barbarian, Faiths and Avatars, Player's Option: Spells and Magic, Complete Divine) Yet again, the idea of a shamanic priest is an archetype that D&D has had several goes at over the course of its life. The new SoD Shaman seems like a mix of some of the old 2e classes/kits, combined with the spontaneous druidic casting from the 3.5e Spirit Shaman. There might be more directly parallel classes, but I'm not aware of them. The calling of spirits with a dance, and the whole major/minor animal/nature thing, is related in the broad strokes to a function of the Shaman class in the Forgotten Realms book 'Faiths And Avatars', though changed up significantly. The FnA Shaman contacts spirits by weeklong rituals of propitiation and fasting in the proper areas -- a wolf den for a wolf spirit and so on. In terms of broad groups, there are the spirits of the dead, the spirits of animals, and the spirits of nature, which are also divided along lines of power: minor, major and great. You improve the number and status of potential patron spirits with your levels. Once you've secured a spirit as your patron, you can later call on them by dancing ritually, and ask them to help you out. In combat, that's mostly them mimicking a spell from their very limited lists, but you might also just want to see if they know anything about your latest problem. Actually fighting on your behalf is limited to the great animal spirits. The summoning has a success rate of 10% per round danced plus 10% per character level, maxing at 90%, so low level shamans are likely to spend several rounds if they can. Between that and the fact that you also have to take a round or two negotiating with the spirit once they've come, this dancing is a time consuming process with very questionable combat utility. Much like the BG ability right now, as I'm told. There's a similar factor with the ten rounds of preparation for the PnP Berserker's Rage: the tabletop designers expected you to have the time to prepare yourself for a fair number of your fights in a way which doesn't happen as much in BG. The Shaman's dance also benefits from its extreme versatility in terms of what you can ask spirits to do out of combat, essentially only limited by the DM's assessment of the spirits' willingness and ability. A prewritten computer game just can't incorporate that angle of interaction. The spontaneous casting ability of the 3.5e class actually has its roots in one of the earlier 2e takes, detailed in a book imaginatively called 'Shaman'. As you advanced in levels, you picked your spells, begging them from the spirits you interacted with: no preparing new spells each day, and no changing them except by renegotiating with spirits who were unlikely to be pleased with your treatment of their gift. In exchange, as long as you kept passing your Wisdom checks, you could keep casting those spells without exhausting them at all. It's weird and seems potentially very abusable -- an 18 WIS Shaman gets eight casts per day of each spell before their chance to lose that spell goes below 50% -- but I've never played one of these. In terms of the 2e tabletop classes' spellcasting, the 'Shaman' Shaman (Shaman squared? Shaman 2?) has access to all priest spells, rather than just the druid ones, but has to prepare them as if they were a level higher than normal. Only very specific spells related to shamaning can be prepared either at normal level or even at a level below normal, depending on the Shaman's specialisation. The Faiths and Avatars Shaman has a fairly restricted spell list, cutting out a lot of the Druid's directly combative and damaging spells for more defense and utility. (We can go over 2e's sphere system for divine magic when we hit Clerics proper.) Sleep of Bronze fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 04:13
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Best D&D Shaman class is the 3rd edition Oriental Adventures/Legend of the Five Rings Shaman, because it got an animal companion and could go around punching things. ORC SHAMAN.
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Mzbundifund posted:If you have a backup of the save where Fabius was still in the party you can just export his character file and re-import it once you kick Valygar out. Does Valygar have any more major dialogue or interesting things to do/say after you complete the planar sphere? If not, I will bring Fabius back in. He and my wizard Menelkir were kind of meant to be a team like Minsc/Dynaheir or Xzar/Montaron so ~*~my immersion~*~ demands they be together in the party.
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Mar 25, 2016 05:38
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Woolie Wool posted:Does Valygar have any more major dialogue or interesting things to do/say after you complete the planar sphere? If not, I will bring Fabius back in. He and my wizard Menelkir were kind of meant to be a team like Minsc/Dynaheir or Xzar/Montaron so ~*~my immersion~*~ demands they be together in the party. Valygar's only claim to fame is being boring as poo poo, so go ahead.
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Mar 25, 2016 05:50
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Mzbundifund posted:If you have a backup of the save where Fabius was still in the party you can just export his character file and re-import it once you kick Valygar out. OK, I have the file exported, now how do I get him back?
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Mar 25, 2016 06:04
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I believe that much of Valygar's content was cut during development because they were running out of time, to the point they were pretty close to scrapping him as an NPC.
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Mar 25, 2016 06:05
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Woolie Wool posted:Does Valygar have any more major dialogue or interesting things to do/say after you complete the planar sphere? If not, I will bring Fabius back in. He and my wizard Menelkir were kind of meant to be a team like Minsc/Dynaheir or Xzar/Montaron so ~*~my immersion~*~ demands they be together in the party. He has a couple dialogs with Mazzy, nothing important but they're kinda funny.
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Dillbag posted:I believe that much of Valygar's content was cut during development because they were running out of time, to the point they were pretty close to scrapping him as an NPC. He's got a ton of banter, so I don't think so. Maybe someone else was nearly cut?
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Kavak posted:He's got a ton of banter, so I don't think so. Maybe someone else was nearly cut? I think he was initially supposed to be romanceable, maybe that's what I was thinking.
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Dillbag posted:I think he was initially supposed to be romanceable, maybe that's what I was thinking. That makes more sense. Anomen has very little banter- I guess all the work went into his romance, which is maybe why Valygar didn't have time to get one.
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Mar 25, 2016 07:09
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If I use the wardstone to bypass the shadowdragon can I go back and fight him later or if I finish the quest does he despawn?
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cheesetriangles posted:If I use the wardstone to bypass the shadowdragon can I go back and fight him later or if I finish the quest does he despawn? He'll still be there but the advantage of doing it with the wardstone is that you'll be able to set traps, cast summons, and fire the first salvo. I believe he notices you right away if you return (or linger too long in the first place).
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Mar 25, 2016 08:11
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Nah, the wardstone works just as well whenever you need it.
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I think SCS makes him easier to trigger. I've definitely triggered him while holding the wardstone and buffing in preparation of the shade lord, and then needed to make a panicked run to the stairs.
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I kinda like Valygar tbh, I know it isnt a popular opinion. He can carry his own without much effort, his stealth and backstab gives him some nice utility and some of his banters are kinda funny.
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talking of banters, last night I had one between Imoen and Korgan in ToB where they just rip each other then Korgan congratulates Imoen for a job well done. I knew they'd get along eventually, it was lovely 
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Kavak posted:That makes more sense. Anomen has very little banter- I guess all the work went into his romance, which is maybe why Valygar didn't have time to get one. Valygar was originally intended to be romanceable, yeah, as was Haer'Dalis. Haer'Dalis was even proposed as a bisexual romance option early in the game's development.
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I'm playing BG1 2.0 in Story Mode with the canon party and give no fucks. BG1 is not my preferred game but I want a save for playing SOD on launch day.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:For interest's sake, the quickest information I can turn up on half-drow in 2e's time is from Drow of the Underdark I knew it had to be somewhere in there, I just couldn't find it! Aaaaaa. Thanks.
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Woolie Wool posted:OK, I have the file exported, now how do I get him back? Kick Valygar out, go to the character arbitration screen (if you're playing in single player mode, save and reload the save in multiplayer mode, same as you did when making multiple player-created characters to begin with). Once on the character arbitration screen, click Create Character on the empty space and then import Fabius' character file. Make sure the character arbitration options there are set to allow imported characters to keep their xp if you don't want Fabius to be level 1.
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OK, got that done. And now I'm trying to figure out why anyone would play a wild mage when you can randomly petrify yourself by casting a spell. 
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Woolie Wool posted:OK, got that done. And now I'm trying to figure out why anyone would play a wild mage when you can randomly petrify yourself by casting a spell. because it's fun. check out vorgen's lets play.
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Well I suppose it's fun for some people but it's not fun for me when I visit the Wild Forest and the first thing that happens is Neera accidentally damaging my party and turning Minsc into a dog. 
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Woolie Wool posted:turning Minsc into a dog I mean, most wild surges are actually pretty underwhelming/just kinda annoying imo, but sometimes something special happens. Like Neera turning into a wolf in a fight against Werewolves like "Oh, that's your whole trick? Pff, I can do that in my sleep. Or trying to cast Mirror Image." Or trying to summon an Elemental and giving the spell an AoE, which led to the whole party summoning an Elemental each (one of which had to be put down). Needless to say, that dungeon wasn't so hard with an army like that.
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Playing a Wild Mage is like taking the Jinxed trait in Fallout. You don't do it because it's good, you do it because the results are hilarious.
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Wild Mages are incredibly powerful, and Jinxed is useful in certain situations 
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melee jinxed character actually kicks rear end
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Well I tried getting into the festhall by being a customer, but the game won't let my male PCs buy services from a male prostitute so I'm going to express my outrage at this discrimination by killing everybody. E: well the guards and madam anyway, I let the prostitutes go. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Sleep of Bronze posted:Nah, the wardstone works just as well whenever you need it. I'm pretty sure I've prepped for that fight for long enough that the shadow dragon noticed me through the wardstone. There was a dialog from the dragon along the lines of "you're an idiot for hanging around so long, you should have known I'd eventually notice you" and I definitely didn't have SCS installed.
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Wizard Styles posted:How can you not like that? I like to click a spell and have what I expect to happen actually happen. I just reload if annoying poo poo happens with Neera. Sorcerer forever, Wild Mage never.
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Wild Mage can cast Cloudkill like 10 times per rest at least in BG1 so its absurdly powerful.
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Woolie Wool posted:Well I tried getting into the festhall by being a customer, but the game won't let my male PCs buy services from a male prostitute so I'm going to express my outrage at this discrimination by killing everybody. Why didn't you talk to the female courtesan that was standing nearby?
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Or tall to the girl on the far eastern side of the map on the second level and deal with her problems. One of the NPCs involved in the quest will have a medallion in his corpse. I believe you can also tell the female courtesan you're there to kill the madam and she's like "Cool, she's a bitch. I'll let you in" but that may be depend on charisma.
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