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The first game basically just has...2 and 4 that are super connected though!
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Mar 25, 2016 13:59
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I meant arc in the sense that the characters have a strong arc throughout the game, not that every case is part of one big convoluted story.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:02
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Wasn't case 3 basically filler, I don't remember anything of note happening in it for the characters except for like one thing with Edgeworth at the very end where he kinda sorta starts to help Pheonix.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:06
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Nate RFB posted:Wasn't case 3 basically filler, I don't remember anything of note happening in it for the characters except for like one thing with Edgeworth at the very end where he kinda sorta starts to help Pheonix. I'm not the biggest fan of case 3, thought it was a little boring, but it was definitely necessary to have a case there. All the stuff that happened with Edgeworth in case 4 wouldn't have meant anywhere near as much if you'd only interacted with him in one previous case. Plus, it gave the game more time to establish Maya's character, too. Perhaps it's fair to call the case filler, but the game probably would've suffered without it.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:15
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I mean I obviously love the first game, I don't think cases 1-3 are really bad at all, my original assertion was more that without the final cases to deliver the knockout blow it just wouldn't have been as memorable. They tie such a nice bow over the experience, which is why PWvsPL and AAI1 are such disappointments.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:20
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Nah, cases 1-3 of the first game are really bad, and 4 is good storywise but not mechanically. AA1 has a good soundtrack and introduces us to our lovable cast but the actual gameplay and cases are the worst in the series. Understandable, since it is also the first entry. Case 1 is not bad, but very, very short and easy, so much so that's it's really hard to qualify it as a full case. Case 2 has the worst denouement in the series. Was anyone satisfied by how that case concluded? Case 3 has the meat of an actual case and is pretty good. I enjoyed the twist of why the kid was lying. The investigation sequences are TERRIBLE though. Arbitrary, forced backtracking. Later on in the series the games try to map out the area to minimize such work. Case 4 is the best case in the game, but still pales to other games' final cases. I'm glad AA1 exists, introducing us to the characters and the series, but it's pretty low on my list of actual AA games.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:45
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AA1 has five cases.
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Mar 25, 2016 15:25
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Motto posted:AA1 has five cases. Kind of an important detail considering Rise From The Ashes is one of the best standalone cases in the series.
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Mar 25, 2016 15:26
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Junpei Hyde posted:Kind of an important detail considering Rise From The Ashes is one of the best cases in the series.
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Mar 25, 2016 15:30
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Sorry, wasn't thinking of the DS case. It's a good one, yeah, keeps AA better than AJ. It's good because they took all the learnings from the other games and made a case with that in mind. It shows how primitive the rest of AA1 is in comparison to the later entries. I guess this is how people who say "I like 2-4, but it's not enough to carry the rest of JFA" feel, 1-5 is an excellent case but doesn't makeup for cases and gameplay in 1 through 4.
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Mar 25, 2016 16:14
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You're an insane person
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Mar 25, 2016 16:19
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Motto posted:AA1 has five cases. Yeah, but it was originally written and released with four. 1-5 is a bonus case that's kinda separate from the main story.
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Mar 25, 2016 16:29
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I'm currently playing PLvsPW (ch5 or so) for a lack of any other phoenix games, and man, the new court mechanics are cool and good, but the trials/cases themselves.......................... are bad (also gently caress Layton, he makes Phoenix look like an idiot when Phoenix did way better clutches and smarter plays when he's alone) Amppelix posted:There's no way VS is the worst when it has cases two and three. Sure, everything after chapter 5 may suck or whatever, but the writing is so on point in those that it doesn't even matter how lame the ending is. what Raxivace posted:PW vs PL has some of the best music in either series too, and that certainly counts for something. WHAT edit: derra posted:It's a good one, yeah, keeps AA better than AJ. It's good because they took all the learnings from the other games and made a case with that in mind. It shows how primitive the rest of AA1 is in comparison to the later entries. AJ only has one bad case, and what's probably the best tutorial case of the entire series HenryEx fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 17:52
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HenryEx posted:also gently caress Layton That's basically a three word review of PLvsAA right there.
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Mar 25, 2016 17:54
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The only bit of music I remember from PWvsPL that was really good was its rendition of Turnabout Sisters, but it's also impossible to gently caress up Turnabout Sisters.
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Mar 25, 2016 17:59
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Nate RFB posted:impossible to gently caress up Turnabout Sisters. I'm still waiting for an eventual kazoo rendition of Turnabout Sisters.
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Mar 25, 2016 18:00
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Nate RFB posted:The only bit of music I remember from PWvsPL that was really good was its rendition of Turnabout Sisters, but it's also impossible to gently caress up Turnabout Sisters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp_LdIA_HIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZvUXs9eyQw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbPdFM4FQNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7czv7Ij3iM I really love the entire soundtrack
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Mar 25, 2016 18:20
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What, no Courtroom Magic?
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Mar 25, 2016 18:35
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Amppelix posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp_LdIA_HIc ChaosArgate posted:What, no Courtroom Magic? So, after... *checks* 15 hours in that game now, i only recognize the last one, Courtroom Magic, from the game. It's kinda decent. Since i haven't played any Laytons before, i can only comment on the Phoenix side of music covers, but they tremendously hosed up almost all of them. I get that they're going with a certain instrumental theme here, but man do the tracks not fit into it.
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Mar 25, 2016 18:43
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HenryEx posted:AJ only has one bad case, and what's probably the best tutorial case of the entire series AJ's tutorial case frustrated me so much, where everything was obvious yet Phoenix held your hand the entire time. Might as well made the second half a cutscene. I didn't like AJ much at all. The soundtrack was excellent. I liked Trucy, grown up Ema, and the recurring characters. Wasn't a huge fan of bracelet shenanigans, but except for Brushel's they were easy enough. Yes, you're on a new system, but you should make the 3d puzzles interesting. Cases were frustrating though. Was there a single one where you were able to talk to your client before the trial began? 4-1 I mentioned before, 4-2 was alright but obvious to me. 4-3 was annoying all around, and 4-4 failed to have any weight to it, despite being linked back to 4-1 (and less so to 4-2, 4-3). Some of the characters' behaviors are baffling even to the AA series. I never find myself wanting to replay AJ: just turn on Trucy's theme, see Ema munch some Snackdoo's and see Mr. Hat come out, I'm good.
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Mar 25, 2016 19:49
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AJ's also clumsy and unsubtle as gently caress. Take the 4-3 killer for instance. Before the second trial nearly every time you see them, regardless of what they're doing or actually saying, Apollo goes "there's something about this person I don't like" or some such. And then as if that wasn't enough directly at the end of the second investigation that person goes "I NEVER LIKED YOU TWERPS FROM THE BEGINNING" as if it wasn't obvious enough from Apollo's stupid comments where this poo poo was going
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Mar 25, 2016 20:02
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Perfect Potato posted:AJ's also clumsy and unsubtle as gently caress. Take the 4-3 killer for instance. Before the second trial nearly every time you see them, regardless of what they're doing or actually saying, Apollo goes "there's something about this person I don't like" or some such. And then as if that wasn't enough directly at the end of the second investigation that person goes "I NEVER LIKED YOU TWERPS FROM THE BEGINNING" as if it wasn't obvious enough from Apollo's stupid comments where this poo poo was going It's rarely not obvious who the killer is. It was obvious in the preceding case 3, and it was super obvious in the following case 3.
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Mar 25, 2016 20:12
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I feel like the murder in 1-3 was really silly. Mainly because they should've changed those fence posts after the first time that happened.
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Mar 25, 2016 20:23
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I feel like the murder in 1-3 was really silly. Mainly because they should've changed those fence posts after the first time that happened. Reminds me that the original first game in general is kind of silly when it comes to the stakes, in the what's on the line sense. It's so baffling that the second case in the entire series is the one with the greatest "villain has the entire court wrapped around his finger" setup and yet he's probably one of the most bumbling idiots to get on the stand not named Larry. And then in 1-3 the one mentioned here you're just casually investigating a murder and suddenly Phoenix and Maya are nearly murdered by the Mafia/Yakuza. Feels like the writing was working a lot of its kinks out til 1-4
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Mar 25, 2016 20:37
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Geniasis posted:Name two. I have five little sisters! And I have to say the 'anime little sister' trope is accurate as hell, and also nothing like Franziska.
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Mar 26, 2016 01:03
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"It was like, oh my gawd, totally my sister!" I want the anime to be dubbed so I can hear these lines spoken aloud.
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Mar 27, 2016 00:34
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I've been replaying AA5. God drat, I forgot how stupid the killer in Case 2 was.
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Mar 27, 2016 20:00
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https://twitter.com/ao25ume/status/713654680979542016 Anime OP!
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Mar 27, 2016 20:40
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Waffleman_ posted:Anime OP! Here's the song so you can hear it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMmlNMgBXFs I'll let you all form your own opinions.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:12
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Suspicious Cook posted:Here's the song so you can hear it: The first 20 seconds is kinda bad and there's a weird buzzing instrument I don't like but it's ok?
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Mar 27, 2016 23:19
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gently caress it sounds like one of those boy band songs. I kinda like it.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:28
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Tired Moritz posted:gently caress it sounds like one of those boy band songs. Considering the band is Johnny's West...
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Mar 27, 2016 23:34
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Tired Moritz posted:gently caress it sounds like one of those boy band songs. That's because it is. It's by Johnny's West, who are as boy band as you can legally get. It's one of the blandest songs I've ever heard and makes me dread the series even more.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:34
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orenronen posted:That's because it is. It's by Johnny's West, who are as boy band as you can legally get. Don't go in with high expectations.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:36
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The fact that I can recognise boy band music kinda worries me.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:38
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Hopefully the script will be good.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:39
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Waffleman_ posted:Hopefully the script will be good. TheKingofSprings posted:Don't go in with high expectations.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:41
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Optimism is fun.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:42
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Looking forward to gifs on unintentionally funny animation
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I've been waiting for this for 11 years, dammit. I'm trying to come with terms that it'll probably be ok at best. My poor teenage self's heart.
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