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Alien Rope Burn posted:Well, I was just trying to make the point briefly. The reasons behind bullshit nostalgia are usually myriad and forgotten, it's true.  Alien Rope Burn posted:Looking at the "Hottest Titles" on the RPGNow page is usually a source of puzzlement for me, since it's relatively rare I recognize anything on it. "DRAGONLOCK MINIATURES: Lizardfolk Set 1" is #2 as an Electrum Seller. Must be a lot more 3D printing miniature gamers there than I would have guessed, or the bar is pretty low, or both.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Looking at the "Hottest Titles" on the RPGNow page is usually a source of puzzlement for me, since it's relatively rare I recognize anything on it. "DRAGONLOCK MINIATURES: Lizardfolk Set 1" is #2 as an Electrum Seller. Must be a lot more 3D printing miniature gamers there than I would have guessed, or the bar is pretty low, or both. Unfinished ended up being in the hottest titles for like a week because I got BoingBoinged. It's still only copper because fewer than X people have paid cash money for it (not that I can blame them, it's 150 loving words). I have a rough idea of where copper and silver's threshold is in terms of paid sales, but I wasn't paying attention to B7 when it went electrum so I have a gap in the data set.
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gnome7 posted:I think part of that defensiveness when posting in a public place (like Twitter or the SA Forums) comes less from trying to say "oh you should try these vampire things, person who said they are tired of vampire things" and more "oh this person says vampire things are tiresome, I hope they don't convince other people that vampires are tiresome, here's a bunch of cool vampire things for everyone else to see so they know vampires are cool actually." It isn't even you specifically they're trying to convince, even if their spiel is directed at you. It's everyone reading your conversation they're trying to convince, because you want more people to like the things you like, right? You don't want them to also think the things you like are dull, so you need to talk about how cool they are wherever someone talks about how dull they are. I think a lot of it has to do with the market being so small and relatively desperate that there's a meaningful incentive for fans to recruit new players for their favorite games just on principle and to likewise make an effort to prevent negative opinions from becoming prevailing wisdom.
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DigitalRaven posted:Unfinished ended up being in the hottest titles for like a week because I got BoingBoinged. It's still only copper because fewer than X people have paid cash money for it (not that I can blame them, it's 150 loving words). I have a rough idea of where copper and silver's threshold is in terms of paid sales, but I wasn't paying attention to B7 when it went electrum so I have a gap in the data set. I'm reasonably certain that Gold's around 600 paid sales, and Electrum's around 250, just going by when I noticed things crossing the threshold. I *think* free sales - from bundles and kickstarter fulfilment - don't count at all.
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Countblanc posted:The frustrating thing is when Thing I Don't Like comes from a place of misinformation since then you have to weigh letting them spread said misinformation or coming across as the person who just can't let people have their own Opinions, maaaan I think that, just as people have the right to state their belief that they do not like the thing, other people have the right to say that they disagree. However, this does not work at all in communities that cannot handle poo poo as mundane as disagreement, which is why you have things like the unique phenomenon of + and - threads in rpg.net, or like when people on SA can't or don't want to engage with other people's arguments and just settle for attacking the poster by spending money to fill their avatars with ad-hominems, in the hopes of poisoning their posts by association. These are not good things, at all, but you are probably still best off embracing them whole-heartedly, in the hopes that you can one day be the one shutting out other people's opinions instead of it happening to you. Anyway that is my opinion. \_  _/
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So I was on DTRPG today, and the Alpha Blue product page was right there as a New Title. So it passed the review, right? Nothing happened?
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Mar 25, 2016 09:28
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Yeah, it was reviewed, OBS said 'eh' and put it back up again.
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potatocubed posted:Yeah, it was reviewed, OBS said 'eh' and put it back up again. So basically exactly as everyone except the "moral panic panic" brigade predicted would happen with OBS' review policy.
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For those who're morbidly curious, here's the Tenkar's Tavern review of Alpha Blue's content.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:For those who're morbidly curious, here's the Tenkar's Tavern review of Alpha Blue's content. I think you mean this: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2016/03/so-just-how-offensive-is-alpha-blue.html
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That too.
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Mar 25, 2016 13:13
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So basically, "About as gross as two cthulhutech sourcebooks"
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Alien Rope Burn posted:For those who're morbidly curious, here's the Tenkar's Tavern review of Alpha Blue's content. Kai Tave posted:So basically exactly as everyone except the "moral panic panic" brigade predicted would happen with OBS' review policy. EDIT: To avoid keeping the topic on nothing but the vengeful devil man's game, I have a question on the TG industry that's been rattling around in my head lately, even if it's not a particularly interesting one. Exactly how viable is it to keep your business afloat with mid-range cost ($6 to $15 range or so) PDF sales? It's the bread and butter of the majority of OBS publishers, and Steve Jackson Games has more or less entirely moved GURPS to that format (though admittedly they have Munchkin sales that probably contribute more to their buoyancy), so it seems like it is at least somewhat successful, but I was curious if anyone had an actual insider opinion on the matter. Fossilized Rappy fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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I legitimately cannot wrap my head around the idea that offending people is a good thing and not something assholes do.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I legitimately cannot wrap my head around the idea that offending people is a good thing and not something assholes do.
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Fossilized Rappy posted:Indeed. This seems to strike the silly idea that OBS would have anything close to draconian censorship dead in the water. You and I both know that won't be the case. Prime example being: Pundowski posted:OBS Turns Around, Quickly Reinstates Alpha Blue, But This Resolves NOTHING The usual suspects will harp on about this endlessly no matter the outcome. You literally cannot appease these people.
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quote:which is exactly what happened with 'tournament'? The omission of the full title is a classy touch.
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So what is the appropriate name for the opponents of social justice, those fighting the social Justice war on the other side? I think it should be appropriately comic bookish to get across the level of prickishness necessary to name ones self an opponent of any sort of justice. I nominate "The Legion of Dumb." Or perhaps "The Brotherhood of Bigotry." Last one for simplicity's sake, "The Injustice League."
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remusclaw posted:So what is the appropriate name for the opponents of social justice, those fighting the social Justice war on the other side? I think it should be appropriately comic bookish to get across the level of prickishness necessary to name ones self an opponent of any sort of justice. I nominate "The Legion of Dumb." Or perhaps "The Brotherhood of Bigotry." Last one for simplicity's sake, "The Injustice League." A flock of anuses.
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Call them ED-209's.
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I think it'd be nice to resurrect a timeless classic: "chauvinist pigs."
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Fossilized Rappy posted:EDIT: To avoid keeping the topic on nothing but the vengeful devil man's game, I have a question on the TG industry that's been rattling around in my head lately, even if it's not a particularly interesting one. SJG is basically kept entirely afloat by Munchkin, which is basically now the geek Monopoly (nobody thinks it's terribly good but Jesus Christ does it sell.) I think for anyone else, at best you're looking at a supplementary source of income, not a living wage and certainly not enough to pay for multiple employees + overhead etc.
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Oppression goblins.
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Leperflesh posted:I think it'd be nice to resurrect a timeless classic: "chauvinist pigs." Doesn't quite sum it up- some of it's not specifically sexist but just generally creepy as poo poo, some of it's racist or transphobic or something else besides typical patriarchy.
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remusclaw posted:So what is the appropriate name for the opponents of social justice, those fighting the social Justice war on the other side? I think it should be appropriately comic bookish to get across the level of prickishness necessary to name ones self an opponent of any sort of justice. I nominate "The Legion of Dumb." Or perhaps "The Brotherhood of Bigotry." Last one for simplicity's sake, "The Injustice League." "Bigots."
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Maxwell Lord posted:Doesn't quite sum it up- some of it's not specifically sexist but just generally creepy as poo poo, some of it's racist or transphobic or something else besides typical patriarchy. Yeah that's why I settled on bigotry for my X-Men villain alike.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Doesn't quite sum it up- some of it's not specifically sexist but just generally creepy as poo poo, some of it's racist or transphobic or something else besides typical patriarchy. 'Chauvinism' isn't actually limited to sexism, it's just exaggerated and ridiculous loyalty to a cause beyond all sense and reason. The term is named after a French guy who remained doggedly loyal to Napoleon long after he was exiled and the dude himself was grievously injured in battle but he insisted in the ongoing superiority of the Emperor's rulership, etc.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Doesn't quite sum it up- some of it's not specifically sexist but just generally creepy as poo poo, some of it's racist or transphobic or something else besides typical patriarchy. Oh okay, yeah fair enough I thought we were focused specifically on the sexism here. I think a more general point still stands though, which is that while the genre may be newer, the opinions are old as dirt and there have been names for them for just as long.
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occamsnailfile posted:'Chauvinism' isn't actually limited to sexism, it's just exaggerated and ridiculous loyalty to a cause beyond all sense and reason. The term is named after a French guy who remained doggedly loyal to Napoleon long after he was exiled and the dude himself was grievously injured in battle but he insisted in the ongoing superiority of the Emperor's rulership, etc. "exaggerated or aggressive patriotism" Huh, learn something new everyday.
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For a long time you'd see it as "male chauvinist." You can probably see how people went from reading male chauvinist ("chauvinist about maleness") to male, chauvinist ("male and chauvinist") where the latter looks like a fancy word for "sexist."
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They don't deserve the effort of a clever name, not that Social Justice Warriors is particularly clever to begin with. They're just bigots. What's more, this isn't a big deal. Sure, Mr. Satanis has some embarrassing misconceptions about Muslims that could have been solved with a few minutes on Wikipedia, and decided to put the literally least sexy thing in his game about space sex. But it's a niche product (a RPG) of a niche product (an OSR RPG) of a niche product (a lewd OSR RPG). The fact that it was reviewed at all was literally the only thing worth noting about it. Yeah, there'll be some crying from the usual suspects in an attempt to warn us about the Orwellian nightmare dystopia we're entering because an elfgame bits-and-mordor store delayed a game by a few days for review. That's fine. They're loons, and they have to be angry, because without anger they are nothing.
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If anything I'm kind of concerned about the usual suspects beating the drum that Table Top Library will be a safe haven of freedom from censorship (apparently defined as "can't be flagged for offensive content"). Table Top Library was founded to be an alternative to OneBookShelf, allowing you greater control of your 5E-compatible intellectual property than DM's Guild and a higher percentage of profits (75%) going to the consumer. There's nothing I saw in their 'sell here' page about defining themselves as a "free speech haven" in the vein of default subreddits. There's no guarantee that that if someone pulls a Chris Field on their storefront that they'll be protected and continue to sell said offensive product. Granted, TTL may develop more lax policies than OBS as time goes on, but right now I'm not seeing it. I think after Tournament of Rapists being decried by Sarah Darkmagic, Jessica Price, and feminist game designers, that people hate OneBookShelf's "caving in to SJWs" so much that they see anything else as a valid alternative. Libertad! fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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I'm just amazed at the sense of entitlement, like OBS is somehow obligated to sell products they don't want to be associated with.
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Well, that's what the whole "MAH FREE SPEECH" crowd is about. They don't want freedom of speech, they want freedom of consequences.
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Well, any port in a shitstorm. Of course they're hung up on the threat of becoming being further marginalized - because they are marginalized! They're where they are now because they couldn't be decent to other people, but it's easier for them to believe in some singular conspiracy of meanies than admit that they just might be bad at socialization or compromise (part of the same thing, really). So they'll lash out at the slightest implication of rejection and bray about to any sign of acceptance to the heavens.
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The usual band of idiots are only complaining as loudly as they are right now because they feel threatened that their position of privilege is being pulled out from underneath them. Which it totally is. Just not in the way they think it is.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I legitimately cannot wrap my head around the idea that offending people is a good thing and not something assholes do. Slimnoid posted:The usual band of idiots are only complaining as loudly as they are right now because they feel threatened that their position of privilege is being pulled out from underneath them. Well granted their evident love of anti-Muslim stuff has some traction right now, but this too shall pass as such things always do.
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Dr. Quarex posted:Well granted their evident love of anti-Muslim stuff has some traction right now, but this too shall pass as such things always do. At least it's no longer the eighties.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:At least it's no longer the eighties. 
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