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be nice wicka posted:which sponsors? "Losing sponsors -> So get quick money thorough exclusive TV deals -> Viewers drop, more sponsors leave" seems like the exact kind of feedback loop that can destroy a sport. VvV Well alright, i suppose if you are right and the sport is doing to well with its current direction we will see sponsors flooding back in and dumb ideas to "save" the sport like sprinklers, shortcuts and video game qualifying (Seriously, the only other place i saw something like it was "Grid 2"). If massive-fee based TV saves f1 for another 20 years i'm on board, but if its just a quick fix to stuff what used to be tobacco money in bernies bank account, it seems short-sighted. MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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F1 is far more interested in the middle class family demographic who already have Sky than the "can't afford or too tight to buy sky so I'll illegally download it" crowd. These are the same people who will bitch about F1 being too quiet while sat on the grass in 20 year old "vintage" t-shirts, while the stands fill up with families who are happy to go to the F1 now kids don't have to wear ear protection, and will pay through the nose for team merchandise. Families spend money, HARDCORE fans are generally tightwads and no amount of BUT WE ARE THE MAJORITY OMG WHY WONT THEY LISTEN TO US bitching on the internet from these people is going to change that.
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F1 doesn't have a sponsorship problem. sponsor budgets are higher than ever. stop counting the number of decals on a car, it's misleading af.
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Mar 25, 2016 16:52
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be nice wicka posted:F1 doesn't have a sponsorship problem. sponsor budgets are higher than ever. stop counting the number of decals on a car, it's misleading af. F1 is turning into a quasi spec series (which should have reduced costs) and multiple teams are still going under or falling behind on payroll for employees that already sacrificed a lot for the sport, if costs rise faster than income does, those all time high payments just make those sponsors quicker to jump ship.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:F1 is turning into a quasi spec series (which should have reduced costs) and multiple teams are still going under or falling behind on payroll for employees that already sacraficed a lot for the sport, if costs rise faster than income does, those all time high payments just make those sponsors quicker to jump ship. F1 isn't turning into a quasi-spec series, that's literal nonsense. backmarkers running out of money is the most normal thing in F1 history. and sponsors aren't jumping ship ffs. take a breath and stop assuming the sky is falling.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:F1 is turning into a quasi spec series (which should have reduced costs) and multiple teams are still going under or falling behind on payroll for employees that already sacraficed a lot for the sport, if costs rise faster than income does, those all time high payments just make those sponsors quicker to jump ship. also, the slightest economic downturn and the sponsorships will be the first ones that bean counters will slash out of spending
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Triple A posted:also, the slightest economic downturn and the sponsorships will be the first ones that bean counters will slash out of spending wow, again, this isn't new. this has been the situation for literally all of existence. what could possibly be your point?
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be nice wicka posted:F1 doesn't have a sponsorship problem. sponsor budgets are higher than ever. stop counting the number of decals on a car, it's misleading af. Philip Morris still gives the glorious Scud lots of cash and they are nowhere to be seen on the car.
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can you guys just start your own thread where you take turns predicting the death of F1?
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Can you start a "wicka posts things about f1" thread so the rest of us dont have to have annoying "you put this user on ignore, click to see it" gaps in the thread? i kid, wicka I dont see how f1 isnt a little bit spec when 20 plus cars have the exact same engine configuration, and the biggest differentiating performance factors are the shape of cooling tubes we dont see and how many blades they glued to the front wing this week. MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 17:01
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I dont see how f1 isnt a little bit spec when 20 plus cars have the exact same engine configuration, and the biggest differentiating factors are the shape of cooling tubes we dont see and how many blades they glued to the front wing this week. what is your fascination with things that aren't true
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Mar 25, 2016 17:05
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Fairly confident that was posted to trigger you Wicks.
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literally the #1 complaint about F1 currently is that it's too much of an engine formula and mercedes' has too big of an engine advantage, yet you're going to claim it's practically a spec series?learnincurve posted:Fairly confident that was posted to trigger you Wicks. where was your trigger warning????
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My biggest complaint is about all the areo bits loving up any chance of good close racing without the use of DRS. More mechanical grip is all I want.
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I have two weeks off so I don't have to deal with literal mental patients right now, the quality of my posting is going to go way up as a direct result of this. Where is Hefe? He saved an innocent from being murdered this week and is the hero this thread needs.
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Norns posted:My biggest complaint is about all the areo bits loving up any chance of good close racing without the use of DRS. i've thought about this, and i think the problem is that you can't fully replace the loss of aerodynamic downforce purely with mechanical grip. in order to keep the cars as fast as they are, and probably faster (which is what the fans want), you'd need to increase the amount of downforce that can be generated through ground effect. and i don't think the FIA trusts they can regulate that well enough to prevent drivers from pulling bananas G forces again and dying. E: but yes you are totally right, aero dependency is dumb and bad, and i think the racing has been pretty consistently better since we got rid of all the little winglets wicka fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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I'd argue that F1 is far less spec than it once was. Once upon a time, 90% of cars had DFV's, and before that customer teams ran Lotus, Brabham, or Cooper chassis. Check some of the car counts in the 60's, lots of repetition.
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learnincurve posted:I have two weeks off so I don't have to deal with literal mental patients right now, the quality of my posting is going to go way up as a direct result of this. 
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Can you start a "wicka posts things about f1" thread so the rest of us dont have to have annoying "you put this user on ignore, click to see it" gaps in the thread? The very last time F1 cars didn't use the exact same engine configuration was the mid-90s. I guess 2006 would also count. Even in the eras where freedoms like that were allowed, engine mfrs generally gravitated towards one configuration.
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They have generally gravitated towards the fastest configuration, isn't the point that with this latest hybrid generation of "power units" that Mercedes found the fastest because they were working on it for 2 years before anyone else and everyone else got it wrong and are now playing catch up? For example in 2014 Ferrari put the gearbox in the wrong way round for aero gain and then the coolant tank and turbo were in the wrong place so they could not turn it up full whack or it would overheat.
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Ferrari has a history of making strange engine design decisions.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Ferrari has a history of making strange engine design decisions. amusingly, they used to do so because of enzo's philosophy that "aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines." in 2014 they did the opposite and it was even more of a spectacular failure.
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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-and-red-bull-refused-to-accept-elimination-qualifying-compromise-682248/quote:This week therefore, teams on the Strategy Group and F1 Commission found themselves only able to vote on a revised format to elimination qualifying proposed by the FIA, where the new-style Q1 and Q2 would be extended, and Q3 would revert to how it was last year. Probably the correct decision, if we aren't going to revert to the old style then gently caress compromising. Although I fully expect we'll be running the modified format this weekend.
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I met one of Hefe's brethren recently, a Venezuelan French Canadian. He didn't complain about toilet paper because they have lots of it in Canada, even French Canada.
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This week's free game on the Apple store is a game called Motorsport Manager which is exactly what F1 needed to do, imagine that game but with real drivers and tracks, hire some writers to give the drivers some top bantz between each other, make it with some funny cartoon graphics, add some RPG elements like relationships between managers and other drivers and fan engagement and it'd be a huge success and it'd attract new younger audiences. Too bad F1 is stuck in the middle ages with Bernie.
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"Grand Prix Story" is the real Pro-Click. I think there is a free version. E: Its in cute 16 bit japanese form, just like MWDC F.Alonso would want. MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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All I want is a VR game where I can experience a full season through the eyes of Roscoe, is that too much to ask?
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MattD1zzl3 posted:"Grand Prix Story" is the real Pro-Click. I think there is a free version. Grand Prix story is the best, I played the hell outta that.
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and it had anime lady drivers (and secretaries  ) along with stuff bernie would love like ice and dirt races. My Front wheel drive V10 roadster dropped me to force-india levels this season 
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What race last year had the grid boys? I hope we get Seb bitching again about it.
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Why do I have this information in my head? It was Brazil, new Mrs Bernie is Brazilian and it was her idea.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:23
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I played Project Cars with an Oculus Rift today. That was fun.
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Bryter posted:All I want is a VR game where I can experience a full season through the eyes of Roscoe, is that too much to ask? I see someone knows about the Dan Harmon movie that takes place through the eyes of Michael Jackson's monkey.
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At least the monkey got to see good music being made.
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Brainwrong posted:I played Project Cars with an Oculus Rift today. That was fun. Monaco/Lotus 49, so fun.
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Fun fact: It has been 24 years since a Dallara has done as well as Haas did in austrailia. If they luck into a podium i think its the best dallara of all time.
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Has Dallara had any real success when they weren't the sole manufacturer of a series?
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On the topic of F1 management games, this new game just got greenlit on Steam: http://raceteamsimulator.com/ They have a demo up with Barcelona playable. Pretty neat and the full game looks promising.
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Started playing Motorsport Manager and in trying to change tyres to get to the end of the race without stopping again, ran across the problem of only two tyre choices. Hard - too slow. Soft - won't last. There is no medium. I'm suggesting Ferrari play this game.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Fun fact: It has been 24 years since a Dallara has done as well as Haas did in austrailia. If they luck into a podium i think its the best dallara of all time. The '89 and '91 Dallaras got podiums as well.
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