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Augus posted:what the gently caress is this bullshit It's why thieves and any class where the benefit is go first more often is basically useless and why turn order is seemingly completely loving random leading to the horseshit of the enemy boss going 2 times at the end of a round and 2 times at the start of a round and instantly wiping you from full health. An Rpg where you can't select what enemy to attack, running on the map screen drains hp, and battles provide either xp or items but never both* is better designed than FF3DS. *burn in hell for killing the franchise, Dragon Song
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also the bosses all suck because they just have MORE HP and MORE ACTIONS PER TURN which makes them boring and frustrating to fight in a way that there's no solution to except to grind more. re-raise doesn't help when the enemy can go four times in a row and kill your entire party
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Mar 25, 2016 06:13
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My take-away from this is that Tanaka should probably be kept away from game design by law.
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Mar 25, 2016 06:13
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you can cast libra on enemies but since it won't scan things with more than 9999 health it stops working on bosses almost immediately and stops working on regular enemies about 2/3 through the game too
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Mar 25, 2016 06:16
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On the upside, Bards are really good in FF3DS because their songs always go first and apply party-wide buffs and healing, which you can't get otherwise (other than gambling on the White versions of things like Leviath and Bahamur). Garuda is really the biggest roadblock of a boss and if it wasn't for Job Sickness you could just cheese it with 4x Geomancer/Dragoon nonsense. Past that though none of the bosses are that bad until you hit the final dungeon which is extra dumb. Did I mention that Phoenix Downs aren't buyable and inns don't revive people?
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Mar 25, 2016 07:15
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What is up with the weird summon spell names in FF3 anyway? "Hyper"? They aren't the name of the summon, a contraction of their signature spells (except maybe one of their black/white ones because hell if I know them) or half the time even related to the element.
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corn in the bible posted:you can cast libra on enemies but since it won't scan things with more than 9999 health it stops working on bosses almost immediately and stops working on regular enemies about 2/3 through the game too I think you run into the same problem with Sense in FFVII, to be fair. It's not capped at 9999 but it does seem like it just stops working after a while. The White Dragon posted:words Well I appreciate the info. However, I would argue FFVIII is also broken and terrible in a fundamental, objective sense. In any event, we'll see what happens. I just finished the Tower of something, Desch is dead I think and it's on to what I assume is the next crystal. I'll getto see these problems soon enough. corn in the bible posted:you can cast libra on enemies but since it won't scan things with more than 9999 health it stops working on bosses almost immediately and stops working on regular enemies about 2/3 through the game too I think you run into the same problem with Sense in FFVII, to be fair. It's not capped at 9999 but it does seem like it just stops working after a while. The White Dragon posted:words Well I appreciate the info. However, I would argue FFVIII is also broken and terrible in a fundamental, objective sense. In any event, we'll see what happens. I just finished the Tower of something, Desch is dead I think and it's on to what I assume is the next crystal. I'll getto see these problems soon enough. Also, this is just a mild interest of mine, months back I compared the score for allthe XIII games on Steam. Well, I looked at some other FFs. FFIII: 9/10 FFIV: 9/10 FFV: 7/10 FFVI: 7/10 FFVII: 9/10 FFVIII: 9/10 FFXIII: 7/10 FFXIII-2: 6/10 FFXIII-3: 9/10 I'm sure some of these figures reflect the port's quality rather than the actual game's. I recall so much bitching about how FFVI looked here I think? Still XIII-2 being the lowest is kinda sad. I'll just say it's due to the fact it has so many more reviews than, say, FFIV. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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AlphaKretin posted:Imagine if in DnD, you rolled initiative every round with a d200 and had to keep your roll secret. Yeah. And your dexterity gives you a +1 bonus!!!
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Barudak posted:An Rpg where you can't select what enemy to attack, running on the map screen drains hp, and battles provide either xp or items but never both* is better designed than FF3DS. Don't forget populating an entire dungeon with loot for one specific character then getting rid of said character for the entirety of the game. Twice!
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Mar 25, 2016 08:27
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FF3DS is still better than any version of FF2, but at least the FF2 remakes and ports made it better
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Zombies' Downfall posted:FF3DS is still better than any version of FF2 No. That's wrong and you're dumb.
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NikkolasKing posted:Well I appreciate the info. However, I would argue FFVIII is also broken and terrible in a fundamental, objective sense. At least in the way FF8 is broken you can make the game crazy easy for yourself, plus a lot of that game's appeal is experimenting with all sorts of ways to break the game. The game is broken in your favor. FF3DS is broken against you, with a lot of frustrating bullshit with no quality-of-life changes that people would expect of a 3D remake of a NES RPG. The game was janky as hell to begin with, the dungeons had some horrible gimmicks that weren't updated, they took a job system built on upgrading jobs as you got them with some puzzle areas that depended on using the right job for the situation (White Magic for Mini, Dragoons for Garuda, Mystic Knights for Cave of Darkness) and instead chose to make all jobs equally viable without really rebalancing the game to fit that plus punishing you even more for experimenting with jobs, and of course did nothing to actually help with the more tedious aspects. I'd love to do a proper rebalance of FF3 some day to make the lovely jobs useful, buff black magic since it's terrible in this game, add some loving save points, and make dungeons less lovely. I'd have to learn how to actually do that poo poo first though, hah.
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At least the remakes of FF2 make it playable. Not exactly good but playable. FF3 DS is just a completely wretched, broken game that is inferior to the game it is a remake of in every conceivable way. Everything about its design is fundamentally broken.
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Mar 25, 2016 12:36
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The best version of FF3 is FF14. 
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Zombies' Downfall posted:FF3DS is still better than any version of FF2, but at least the FF2 remakes and ports made it better hmmm nah ff3ds is really bad
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I've always liked FF2 so maybe I'm just weird and will like all of FF3, too. Also, whatever else might be unfair in FF3DS, the fact the game gives you a Quicksave function, and autosaves before every fight, is extremely awesome. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 13:29
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Zombies' Downfall posted:FF3DS is still better than any version of FF2, but at least the FF2 remakes and ports made it better i've played ff2-gba and ff3-ds and i can conclusively say that ff2 was better
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Ff2 GBA is pretty fun
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FFII is instantly better than FFIII because it has Minwu, the biggest badass white mage dude.
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Andrast posted:I hope the extra effort dubbing takes doesn't delay the European version. It shouldn't if the main company knows what it's doing, which they hopefully do by now. Skyrim, for example, had fully localization on day one in French/German etc. including every single book in the game world, and without fail every U.S. theatrical film gets a French release in Quebec with the same release date as the U.S., midnight screenings and all. But then the PS1 Final Fantasy games all got delayed by like a week because they were slow on making a French version of the manual, so 
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It makes sense that FFV and FFVI have comparatively bad scores on steam, the ports they brought there look ugly as poo poo. Seriously, look at this:   They brought the mobile ports over for some reason, compared to the DS ports for 3 and 4. Bizarre choice.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:It makes sense that FFV and FFVI have comparatively bad scores on steam, the ports they brought there look ugly as poo poo. These Amano portraits look great, we should use them in the dialog boxes. But they don't seem to fit well... oh well gently caress it, just lay them on top and loving ship it.
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Mar 25, 2016 19:20
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I just love the angry eyebrows on everyone.
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Faris has a mad resting bitch face going on. Or maybe just a mad acting bitch face, hard to tell. She is clearly not putting up with your poo poo today regardless.
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Fister Roboto posted:I just love the angry eyebrows on everyone. Just for the American edition though.
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I'd have angry eyebrows too if someone squished and stretched me like that.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:It makes sense that FFV and FFVI have comparatively bad scores on steam, the ports they brought there look ugly as poo poo. The aspect raidou on FF6 is really painful.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:They brought the mobile ports over for some reason, compared to the DS ports for 3 and 4. Bizarre choice. 3 and 4 are mobile ports as well, it's just that the mobile versions were based on the DS versions and not made from scratch.
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Fister Roboto posted:I just love the angry eyebrows on everyone. I still find it hilarious that every male FF character is always angry, but the female characters are never angry. Like, imagine them doing that poo poo with Lightning. No way she has any other emotions besides "pissed as gently caress at the world." Yet I'm sure they'd make her doe-eyed while loving Sazh would be angry as poo poo.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:FFII is instantly better than FFIII because it has Minwu, the biggest badass white mage dude. You mean the only white mage dude. Like the only other one I could think of is Hope, and that's arguable. NikkolasKing posted:I've always liked FF2 so maybe I'm just weird and will like all of FF3, too. The autosave didn't exist in the DS version, it's something they added for the iOS port. So now imagine that 2-hour final dungeon without any save points.
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I know it's petty, but they seriously didn't extend the  to correct the sprite seams on those pillars?
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ApplesandOranges posted:The autosave didn't exist in the DS version, it's something they added for the iOS port. Well I guess I lucked out then . I just got the second set of Jobs, incidentally. Still think I want to keep White Mage and Monk 'cuz they're really invaluable. Warrior becomes Knight because that makes sense to me and I guess that leaves Red Mage Refia becoming Scholar. Game told me I need one and also everyone says they're the best.
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Pesky Splinter posted:I know it's petty, but they seriously didn't extend the Nope. Technically those seams were always there (if you look closely at SNES screens you can see them) but the low res hid them. All they did was filter/redraw sprites as they were and lots of the game looks like poo poo as a result.
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NikkolasKing posted:Well I guess I lucked out then . Please don't use a Scholar, they're really bad and are only good for one gimmick dungeon (and even then, not very good). Geomancer is way better than Scholar even with the RNG element to their attacks.
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Scholars actually have decent offense with their books, but they have the worst vitality in the game and HP is the sole stat that carries over between jobs, so I'd switch out of it after you do the one fight that you need it for. e: Thinking back, I think in his LP Cool Ghost wrecked poo poo using them since Scholars double the power of attack items in the DS version, but he also duped a bunch of said items with some glitch that may or may not be fixed in the PC version. Mega64 fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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corn in the bible posted:Nope. Technically those seams were always there (if you look closely at SNES screens you can see them) but the low res hid them. All they did was filter/redraw sprites as they were and lots of the game looks like poo poo as a result. That's fair enough I guess; with the lower quality SNES pixels, I suppose there's leeway for the imagination to fill in and smooth out the odd bits...
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What really bugs me is adding the portraits without doing anything to make them match the sprites in any way. Faris's portrait and her sprite don't even have the same hair color. Also the font is awful.
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Rand Brittain posted:What really bugs me is adding the portraits without doing anything to make them match the sprites in any way. Faris's portrait and her sprite don't even have the same hair color. They recolored the portraits in the ff6 remake. It's still ugly as poo poo though!
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