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I legit don't care about the politics of this at all, and think the "Mah FREE SPEECH" and talk about all evil strawman political enemies who dare strawman their all evil political enemies sums up why, but why is there such a thing as erotic role playing paper and pen tabletop games? Movies, books, and even video games make sense 100%. All private things, you can enjoy on your own. I agree concept of erotic games and other couples tools, because hey sharing your sexuality with your partner and improving or adding spice to your sex life. I understand talking about fellow enthusiasts of your fetish/kink/sexual preference and building a community. Everyone from the LGBT communities to penthouse to BSDM people. Why in indulge in your fetish amidst a normal group of friends? Who gets this? Why is this a thing? It's a not a niche because it doesn't fulfill any need or want.
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NutritiousSnack posted:I legit don't care about the politics of this at all, and think the "Mah FREE SPEECH" and talk about all evil strawman political enemies who dare strawman their all evil political enemies sums up why, but why is there such a thing as erotic role playing paper and pen tabletop games? Movies, books, and even video games make sense 100%. All private things, you can enjoy on your own. I agree concept of erotic games and other couples tools, because hey sharing your sexuality with your partner and improving or adding spice to your sex life. I understand talking about fellow enthusiasts of your fetish/kink/sexual preference and building a community. Everyone from the LGBT communities to penthouse to BSDM people. People buy RPGs just to read them on the toilet all the time, folks like Chris Fields are just giving them something else to do while they're there.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:38
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NutritiousSnack posted:I legit don't care about the politics of this at all, and think the "Mah FREE SPEECH" and talk about all evil strawman political enemies who dare strawman their all evil political enemies sums up why, but why is there such a thing as erotic role playing paper and pen tabletop games? Movies, books, and even video games make sense 100%. All private things, you can enjoy on your own. I agree concept of erotic games and other couples tools, because hey sharing your sexuality with your partner and improving or adding spice to your sex life. I understand talking about fellow enthusiasts of your fetish/kink/sexual preference and building a community. Everyone from the LGBT communities to penthouse to BSDM people. I guess it'd appeal to people who like ERP by chat or pbp, but yeah popping a boner with friends and family near you is probably among the worst times to pop a boner.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:38
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I can see it being a big thing online (as it can be), but IRL, it seems just uncomfortable unless you're one big swinging RPG group or something. I once knew two guys (one bi, one straight) who would play out cyber in chat sessions between the actual sessions with their characters. I mean, they weren't in a relationship (one was in an unrelated, committed relationship, in fact). It wasn't really a problem or anything that I was aware of - I wasn't in the game in question, tho - but it was certainly unusual. At least it's a way to keep your fetishes off the table, I suppose.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:41
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NutritiousSnack posted:Why in indulge in your fetish amidst a normal group of friends? Who gets this? Why is this a thing? It's a not a niche because it doesn't fulfill any need or want. Apropos: 
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Mar 25, 2016 23:42
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Maxwell Lord posted:SJG is basically kept entirely afloat by Munchkin, which is basically now the geek Monopoly (nobody thinks it's terribly good but Jesus Christ does it sell.) I think for anyone else, at best you're looking at a supplementary source of income, not a living wage and certainly not enough to pay for multiple employees + overhead etc.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:44
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Even OGRE was more cost than profit, as I understand it, being an early kickstarter release as it was.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:59
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Bedlamdan posted:I guess it'd appeal to people who like ERP by chat or pbp Alien Rope Burn posted:I can see it being a big thing online (as it can be) Yeah, but you don't need rules for that. There's a sizable section of online roleplayers that don't use rules at all and just wing it as they go along, assuming good faith in other people that they won't godmode or anything. Hell, a lot of these players are only vaguely familiar with the tabletop variants and many haven't even played one. I really don't know who those books are made for, beyond toilet reading or morbid curiosity/F&F reviews. They fill a niche no one wanted or asked for.
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Bedlamdan posted:I guess it'd appeal to people who like ERP by chat or pbp, but yeah popping a boner with friends and family near you is probably among the worst times to pop a boner. Most erotic role-play tends to be freeform stuff, collaborative fanfiction, social media novelty accounts, and the like. There's no doubt that there are folks who do erotic role-play using popular systems like D&D to live out their fantasies of banging Mystra, Lolth, or whomever, but this kind of stuff is very rarely done face-to-face. If they wanna get serious, Field, Satanis, and other folks writing table-top porn games would try to make house rules and systems optimized for play-by-post and mediums where you don't have a big battlemat in front of you. But then again, tabletop gaming isn't known for being technologically on-edge, so even in the mainstream of the hobby that's not a likely scenario. Dr. Quarex posted:When you genuinely believe an Enemy Of Humanity exists in your midst, anything that hurts them sounds like a moral victory. See: ... literally everything in the news Honestly, I'm more cynical. To use an analogy, bigotry is like a bicycle. Sometimes it comes to the forefront in a really bad way, only to briefly fade from view, and then comes back, repeating the whole dang process again. Keeps going round and round. I'd bet my best pair of pants that there were "free speech zone" folks in the 80s and 90s shaking their fists at White Wolf's liberalism gone amok or similar things. I hope that at some point this poo poo becomes socially unacceptable to the point that they're pushed out of geek culture, but in time they'll come back around again, wearing a different guise with different talking points yet it all boils down to the same thing.
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Mar 26, 2016 00:07
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Slimnoid posted:Yeah, but you don't need rules for that. Don't tell OSR players they don't need random tables! It'll break their hearts! 
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Mar 26, 2016 00:12
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I don't think anyone actually plays those erotic RPGs, it's just a very expensive form of masturbation. If there's a ruleset near the ERP, it's D&D or World of Darkness.
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Mar 26, 2016 00:28
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Kavak posted:I don't think anyone actually plays those erotic RPGs, it's just a very expensive form of masturbation. If there's a ruleset near the ERP, it's D&D or World of Darkness. It's indisputably Exalted  (or more seriously probably Monsterhearts or some other Powered by the Apocalypse games might work)
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Mar 26, 2016 01:47
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Bedlamdan posted:It's indisputably Exalted I somehow forgot the system that literally has a sex move. And Exalted is still White Wolf, same territory.
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Mar 26, 2016 01:51
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I won't pass judgement on people wanting charts and rules for their pretend loving. It's just sad that nearly all of the most professionally produced items for that are execrable, puerile and just plain designed poorly.Pope Guilty posted:I'm just amazed at the sense of entitlement, like OBS is somehow obligated to sell products they don't want to be associated with. Part of the problem is that it was pretty obvious OBS/Wieck didn't really give a poo poo and would've kept selling what the hell ever if not for those mean old SJWs wedgie-ing him and making him admit rape is gross.
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Slimnoid posted:Yeah, but you don't need rules for that. There's a sizable section of online roleplayers that don't use rules at all and just wing it as they go along, assuming good faith in other people that they won't godmode or anything. Hell, a lot of these players are only vaguely familiar with the tabletop variants and many haven't even played one. Exactly. I was aware of erotic roleplaying online and that makes sense to me, because you aren't face to face with another man/woman who you know and aren't loving and probably don't want to, and lying out your sexual poo poo asking them to help fulfill it. Alien Rope Burn posted:Don't tell OSR players they don't need random tables! It'll break their hearts! but that's what i don't get. why do they want OSR rules and a table of friends when they can just log onto IRC or facebook or twitter, and get the same thing with so much less of the downsides? It's mentally confusing.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Exactly. I was aware of erotic roleplaying online and that makes sense to me, because you aren't face to face with another man/woman who you know and aren't loving and probably don't want to, and lying out your sexual poo poo asking them to help fulfill it. I'm not being flip when I say that the people buying these games are probably doing so for some sort of extra masturbatory toilet reading. People buy non-"erotic" RPGs all the time and never bring them to the table, it doesn't strain plausibility to suggest that some percentage of these people are also into tentacle rape and making GBS threads dicknipples and are willing to buy something like Black Tokyo which scratches two itches at once. And yes, I'm aware that there's plenty of straight-up porn out there, much of it for free, but there are plenty of free RPGs and people still buy games they'll never play.
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NutritiousSnack posted:but that's what i don't get. why do they want OSR rules and a table of friends when they can just log onto IRC or facebook or twitter, and get the same thing with so much less of the downsides? It's mentally confusing. like i assume they are doing that most of the time but every now and then want to do it with the random tables and stuff for a lark? like why do people play rpg's at all instead of just doing freeform stuff?
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Mar 26, 2016 09:22
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If people didn't have an attachment to the particular idiosyncrastic form of their media beyond logical and thematic appropriateness, they wouldn't be OSR fans.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:For those who're morbidly curious, here's the Tenkar's Tavern review of Alpha Blue's content. This is really awkward to read. Dude writes like he's just throwing sentences out there hoping one of them will protect him from the SJWs. 
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Jesus H. Buddha, that review. I had to stop at:quote:Interstellar Caliphate you say? That is so Politically Incorrect. It's there, over the top, campy and politically incorrect as hell like the rest of Alpha Blue: It really takes the "fantasy gypsies, with all the racist connotations of the gypsy stereotype taken as gospel truth" to the next level when you're writing about Space ISIS without even bothering to try and mask it. Ettin posted:This is really awkward to read. Dude writes like he's just throwing sentences out there hoping one of them will protect him from the SJWs. Tenkar is like the Wolf-Blitzer-in-Celebrity-Jeopardy of the OSR bloggers. He's not actively offensive, but he ain't helpin' either.
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That Old Tree posted:I won't pass judgement on people wanting charts and rules for their pretend loving. It's just sad that nearly all of the most professionally produced items for that are execrable, puerile and just plain designed poorly. It could just be, despite its myriad variations, there's nothing to be said about the act of sex itself mechanically in a game any more than, say, eating or pissing. You could probably add sex humor to a game, but if humor is tough in gaming, sex humor is probably even tougher. You can have crazy detailed seduction mechanics like Spycraft 2.0 had, and there's nothing wrong with that, either, if it's relevant to your themes or setting. But I'm not sure how you'd actually worry about sex in a game unless it was somehow relevant to other parts of the game, maybe building up charges for sex magic requires you to pass a skill challenge or engage in gently caress Combat or whatever. But unless you're having all-party orgies where everybody's involved in gently caress Combat, you're facing the "Decker problem" as well. The easiest way to do a sex RPG is to just cater to a fetish, I suppose, because it's easy to laser-focus mechanics on a fetish itself outside of just sex and just sell that game to hardcore fetishists, because they'll buy Feets & Fantasies or Giantess: the Embiggening irregardless of the actual quality of the content. But, as mentioned by others, it'll probably just sit on the bathroom bookshelf.
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A friend of mine made this some time ago, and I feel that it perfectly solves all issues relating to sex in RPGs.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:It could just be, despite its myriad variations, there's nothing to be said about the act of sex itself mechanically in a game any more than, say, eating or pissing. I think that if you're writing a game set in a space brothel, there might well be room for some sort of elaborate sex mechanic* in support of the themes of the game. Because as far as I'm concerned it's totally okay to answer 'What is your game about?' with 'loving and shenanigans' and make a game based on that. But this is the OSR so I'm guessing what you get is six stats, random tables and cheesecake art. *Elaborate Sex Mechanic is the name of my retro synthpop group.
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I just remembered seeing a blog post a few weeks ago (I can't remember where) that had a session report of AB; it sounded like one of those session you ran back in the day when everyone was just hitting puberty and the characters were loving NPCs every five minutes. Except it was between PCs too. The whole post like "then this character hosed that character then there was a three way and he sucked him and she hosed her and and and...". That's the audience for this kind of stuff.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Jesus H. Buddha, that review. I had to stop at: quote:Regarding the Caliphate, Tenkar, there was an entry in the book claiming that 33% of Muslims in the setting were terrorists or terrorist sympathizers, page 89:
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Guilty Spork posted:According to the comments there's also this: I mean it's the OSR. They're basically both.
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Ettin posted:This is really awkward to read. Dude writes like he's just throwing sentences out there hoping one of them will protect him from the SJWs. I'm especially fond of the part where he changes "rape" to "unwilling gently caress," as if this means anything different or makes this poo poo any less terrible. If it doesn't have the R Word, the SJWs can't get angry, right?! It's loving magical thinking and adds a weird rape-culture frosting to the whole nasty cake.
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Is anyone going to perform a fisking of cherry picked quotes from his apology blog post that followed that review? Here, it's not that long.Eric Tenkar posted:Wherein I Offend & Apologize I'd do it, but the "That wasn't an apology/was insincere" space on my bingo card is empty and your own posts don't count for filling in spots. His use of the word "objective" like it's a magic talisman is amusing though.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I just remembered seeing a blog post a few weeks ago (I can't remember where) that had a session report of AB; it sounded like one of those session you ran back in the day when everyone was just hitting puberty and the characters were loving NPCs every five minutes. Except it was between PCs too. I got really confused and thought you were describing a session of Bliss Stage. I'm not sure you aren't still.
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I'm trying to find industry information that is different from "how do I open a store" and "How do I design a game that makes me a millionaire" Is there anywhere to get actual market data? Does anyone know if ICv2's reports are worth the $10?
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From my FLGS Facebook: quote:A friendly reminder. Yu-Gi-Oh gameplay/trading/building/etc is not allowed in the store. And a follow-up comment. quote:Among other reasons, part of why DSG is now one of the top selling Pokemon stores in the region is because parents of Pokemon players feel more comfortable letting their kids play where they know it is much less likely that the kid will have their cards stolen, be taught new curse words, be bullied, etc. It was the YGO player base, by and large, causing those issues and chasing away an otherwise healthier Pokemon player base. I don't play YGO and don't have any interest in it, but is this something other stores do too? For reference, this place is a nice place to play and had 45 people turn out to their XWing store champs
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The System Mastery folks also said something to the effect of the Yu Gi Oh community being really really bad.
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Everyone's Why, God, why? posted:This Magical Minutia brings the World of Oz to life for Witch Girls Adventures and includes no Cliques, abilities and more.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The System Mastery folks also said something to the effect of the Yu Gi Oh community being really really bad. What they mentioned earlier about konami not fostering a good community is true too. IIRC they'd let extremely degenerate cards run the metagame for years at a time, driving their price to an excessive high, then ban or restrict them on a whim. They never rotate entire sets out of legality so imagine if the only format for magic was legacy. If a kid was running a decent deck it was easily worth a few hundred dollars, if not a thousand.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The System Mastery folks also said something to the effect of the Yu Gi Oh community being really really bad. The Yu-Gi-Oh! community is literally nothing but toxic, profane 15 year old thieves and adorable, gullible 10 year old kids with duel discs. It really is terrible in the way all completely unrestrained 15 year olds are. They are also usually of below-average intelligence, smoke cigarettes constantly then come into the store stinking of cheap tobacco and spend next to no money (because they steal from the little kids who do buy) Major props to this store for putting kid safety and a good environment first, because you can definitely move a lot of packs to the few Yu-Gi-Oh! players who deal weed on the side and have disposable income. Kurieg posted:They never rotate entire sets out of legality so imagine if the only format for magic was legacy. If a kid was running a decent deck it was easily worth a few hundred dollars, if not a thousand. Yu-Gi-Oh! also has promos that are only available through winning pro tours and the like, but they're completely playable. Imagine if 1996 World Champion were as good as Tarmogoyf, and in about the same supply. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Crazyweasel posted:I'm trying to find industry information that is different from "how do I open a store" and "How do I design a game that makes me a millionaire" No because there are basically no RPG companies that have to release it, and no because they get all their info from game shop owners who willingly tell them their sales which leaves vast swathes of the RPG market unaccounted for. At least, as far as I know.
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I kind of find the idea of sex RPG's to be very weird. Like, I can have sex in real life if I want to, I don't need to pretend about that poo poo. What I can't do in real life is like fight a fuckin Bugbear and cut his loving head off and then like sell it to a wizard for some gold or a magic sword or whatever. It's those "let's be a loving truck driver" video games, that is not a super fun job, why would you want to simulate that? And as a former lovely goth kid teenager, the appeal of Monsterhearts is lost on me. That was not a fun time, why the hell would you want to play at it?
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Kurieg posted:What they mentioned earlier about konami not fostering a good community is true too. IIRC they'd let extremely degenerate cards run the metagame for years at a time, driving their price to an excessive high, then ban or restrict them on a whim. The lesson here is "never buy a CCG made by people who also make slot machines". (Also just "never buy a CCG" but well some people have fun with it I guess.)
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bongwizzard posted:I kind of find the idea of sex RPG's to be very weird. Like, I can have sex in real life if I want to, I don't need to pretend about that poo poo. What I can't do in real life is like fight a fuckin Bugbear and cut his loving head off and then like sell it to a wizard for some gold or a magic sword or whatever. It's those "let's be a loving truck driver" video games, that is not a super fun job, why would you want to simulate that? You can, they can't. More generously, you can't have sex with an elf in real life. Job simulator video games appear to appeal to something in the German mindset, or at least that's the joke that's been made. I don't get the appeal of Monsterhearts either- I assume it's meant to be played tongue firmly implanted in cheek as some kind of parody of media of its sort, but said media is directed at people up to a decade younger than me.
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If my friend's former store is any indication, banning YGO play because of toxicity is a solution over a decade old.
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