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My least favorite part of BvS is that they take a completely true and insightful perspective on the world and use it to help characterize Lex Luthor as an evil madman. The problem of evil has no solution apart from giving up one of the aspects of God, and power is never innocent. This would all be well and good if they continued MoS's portrayal of Superman as someone who's essentially human despite his alien heritage, to let the film essentially say "you're right; I'm not God, but I try to be good" and have Lex be wrong because he misunderstood Superman -- but it doesn't follow through on that, despite hinting at it early on. Instead Snyder doubles down on the Christ imagery and teases him literally rising from the dead at the end. "God is good, and he's a farm boy from Kansas." I'm also not a fan of the implication that both Lex's madness and his ideology sprang from his childhood abuse.
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Terrible Horse posted:Also hope that's a special time travel suit, because it looked way too armored for Flash This was my thought too. Anyone who wasn't paying enough attention would not recognize it at all as being Flash, and instead think it's some other random dude.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:04
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:My least favorite part of BvS is that they take a completely true and insightful perspective on the world and use it to help characterize Lex Luthor as an evil madman. The problem of evil has no solution apart from giving up one of the aspects of God, and power is never innocent. This would all be well and good if they continued MoS's portrayal of Superman as someone who's essentially human despite his alien heritage, to let the film essentially say "you're right; I'm not God, but I try to be good" and have Lex be wrong because he misunderstood Superman -- but it doesn't follow through on that, despite hinting at it early on. Instead Snyder doubles down on the Christ imagery and teases him literally rising from the dead at the end. "God is good, and he's a farm boy from Kansas." I read a few posts here saying he is crazy because he gets infected/affected by Darkseid but I don't know where they're pulling that from.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:10
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Anyone unfamiliar with flashes power set would also likely have trouble.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:11
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Given that his presence in the movie seems to be some weird dream-within-a-dream poo poo anyway, I just took it as further proof that Batman is pretty thoroughly insane. The most likely situation in my mind is that the studio said "We need The Flash in this movie" and Snyder was like "well I already had this perfectly good apocalyptic future dream sequence, that's probably the best place to shoehorn him in".
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:My least favorite part of BvS is that they take a completely true and insightful perspective on the world and use it to help characterize Lex Luthor as an evil madman. The problem of evil has no solution apart from giving up one of the aspects of God, and power is never innocent. This would all be well and good if they continued MoS's portrayal of Superman as someone who's essentially human despite his alien heritage, to let the film essentially say "you're right; I'm not God, but I try to be good" and have Lex be wrong because he misunderstood Superman -- but it doesn't follow through on that, despite hinting at it early on. Instead Snyder doubles down on the Christ imagery and teases him literally rising from the dead at the end. "God is good, and he's a farm boy from Kansas." Eh theology has plenty of alternative solutions to offer if you're open to learning about them. If your entire philosophical intake consist of Dawkins and Hitchens maybe this viewpoint makes sense. Abused people abuse people. Id rather have a movie like this or Ex Machina than one which glorifies abuse as purifying people like Short Term 12. Abuse is a bad thing, it tends to wreck people.
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This may not be the right thread for it, but can you elaborate on the Short Term 12 thing?
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Mar 27, 2016 03:25
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:My least favorite part of BvS is that they take a completely true and insightful perspective on the world and use it to help characterize Lex Luthor as an evil madman. The problem of evil has no solution apart from giving up one of the aspects of God, and power is never innocent. This would all be well and good if they continued MoS's portrayal of Superman as someone who's essentially human despite his alien heritage, to let the film essentially say "you're right; I'm not God, but I try to be good" and have Lex be wrong because he misunderstood Superman -- but it doesn't follow through on that, despite hinting at it early on. Instead Snyder doubles down on the Christ imagery and teases him literally rising from the dead at the end. "God is good, and he's a farm boy from Kansas." I disagree with your reading of Man of Steel, it's explicitly about how he is a god among men. The shot of him standing over the dog as a kid, the importance of his father giving his life for the dog, and so on. bring back old gbs posted:I read a few posts here saying he is crazy because he gets infected/affected by Darkseid but I don't know where they're pulling that from. The end of the film he's taunting Batman about how the bell has been rung, and it's bringing attention. The camera even goes to Luthor's father's room and shows the upside down painting of the demon descending from above. Darkseid.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:30
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Here's hoping to see The Crime Bible in Justice League.
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rakovsky maybe posted:Eh theology has plenty of alternative solutions to offer if you're open to learning about them. If your entire philosophical intake consist of Dawkins and Hitchens maybe this viewpoint makes sense. I'm not ignorant of the attempted solutions. I can literally crack open the Catechism of the Catholic Church and point to the bit where they admit that the problem of evil has no known solution and falls back on "well, our entire faith is an attempt to grapple with that challenge" if you like. Or the Book of Job, which features God punishing the people who try to explain his actions in a favorable light and forgiving the one who calls him a tyrant. (Which isn't quite the same as what I'm saying, but allows for it, if you will.) I'm sympathetic to Christianity; what the faith proposes is beautiful, it's just irreconcilable with the reality of suffering. wyoming posted:I disagree with your reading of Man of Steel, it's explicitly about how he is a god among men. The shot of him standing over the dog as a kid, the importance of his father giving his life for the dog, and so on. I guess both films have elements of the contrary idea. In Man of Steel he has to resort to killing Zod, though; the most crucial scene in the film is about Superman being only one step away from powerless, and needing to do something awful because the alternative is worse. To me, that's something human beings do, not something God does. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This may not be the right thread for it, but can you elaborate on the Short Term 12 thing? Short Term 12 just implies that its main character was compelled to work with abused children because she herself was abused. She ultimately comes to terms with this by saving a girl going through a similar experience. It's a false liberal idea that by being sexually abused our main character gains insight, empowerment, and empathy. In real life, most victims of sexual abuse go on to become sexual abusers themselves, which is precisely why it's so terrible. Short Term 12 advocates that bad things happen for good reasons, which is an obviously monstrous viewpoint.
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MoS seems to be more that, Clark only seems like a god from our limited perspective. He still lives on a farm and has a mother that he loves very much. He still makes dumb mistakes. He falls in love. He isn't infallible and it's our mistake to think he is. BvS carries on this theme.
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rakovsky maybe posted:Short Term 12 just implies that its main character was compelled to work with abused children because she herself was abused. She ultimately comes to terms with this by saving a girl going through a similar experience. It's a false liberal idea that by being sexually abused our main character gains insight, empowerment, and empathy. In real life, most victims of sexual abuse go on to become sexual abusers themselves, which is precisely why it's so terrible. Short Term 12 advocates that bad things happen for good reasons, which is an obviously monstrous viewpoint. I haven't seen the film, so however you answer this, I'll take your word for it until I can see it for myself. That said: Is it not possible to read it as "in spite of" rather than "because?"
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rakovsky maybe posted:Short Term 12 just implies that its main character was compelled to work with abused children because she herself was abused. She ultimately comes to terms with this by saving a girl going through a similar experience. It's a false liberal idea that by being sexually abused our main character gains insight, empowerment, and empathy. In real life, most victims of sexual abuse go on to become sexual abusers themselves, which is precisely why it's so terrible. Short Term 12 advocates that bad things happen for good reasons, which is an obviously monstrous viewpoint. On the one hand I feel you, given that narratives of "this incredibly monstrous thing happened for ~~a reason~~ and in hindsight maybe it's a blessing after all" are profoundly hosed up and used to dismiss / apologize for systematic abuse On the other hand I don't really remember Short Term 12 trafficking in that, beyond the extent of Grace being an abuse survivor who is herself good at working with abuse survivors. If there was a scene where she expressed, explicitly or implicitly, that her trauma made her stronger or wiser or she's grateful for it or whatever, I don't remember it. In fact it seemed like her own history was actively getting in the way of her functioning, homegirl was ready to torpedo her engagement and get herself thrown in jail for B&E and assault Also on the other hand, it's cool that you know about cycles of abuse and stuff but "most victims" is a stretch when studies place its incidence at about a third. And as someone who's in the other two thirds and hopes to stay there, I feel like having fictional narratives that reassure me that I can be a good person and am not just a ticking time bomb is a good thing, even if they can be saccharine and even if they can sometimes tiptoe into the mindset that I agreed was gross in the first paragraph of this post. So, gently caress yoooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuu Jenny Angel fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 03:58
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Yeah, "most" seems like an amazing stretch.
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Just watched the animated Batman Superman movie, World's Finest for the billionth time. It's amazing that they managed to put so much awesome content into something with only one hour of runtime. Kinda puts BvS in a different perspective. If they would have just done BvS scene for scene from this animated movie I would have been totally fine with it.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Just watched the animated Batman Superman movie, World's Finest for the billionth time. It's amazing that they managed to put so much awesome content into something with only one hour of runtime. Kinda puts BvS in a different perspective. If they would have just done BvS scene for scene from this animated movie I would have been totally fine with it. That movie had the benefit of BTAS and STAS though. BvS was basically Justice League: We're Currently in Beta which meant they had to build up their mythology as much as they could in a limited run time.
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wyoming posted:Yeah, also this, it seems implied that Batman was retired until Superman v Zod. No it isn't. It appears that way in the trailers but the film makes it very clear that he's been active as Batman non stop.
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Are we still not spoiler tagging BvS poo poo or can I go back to the past couple of pages I skipped safely?
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CelticPredator posted:It's cool to feel whatever you want. In the Donner cut of Superman 2 they all fall to their deaths. However , tone is important. Also, it's important to remember that they ended up changing the ending of Superman 2 originally they were going to be put in jail I forget why it was changed to all three of them dying. Also, they were killed in a way as to make it possible to "bring them back" I guess. Ah now I found it apparently they did a International Version where they were thrown in jail at the end instead of being killed. So for probably some of the world at least the villians in Superman 2 were never killed by him. Honestly Superman 2: The Richard Donner Cut is the actual version to me, it's so more superior. Also we got this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaF0QKtY0c Never forget that Christopher Reeves was the greatest actor to play Superman. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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HIJK posted:That movie had the benefit of BTAS and STAS though. BvS was basically Justice League: We're Currently in Beta which meant they had to build up their mythology as much as they could in a limited run time. And that's part of the reason why it's bad. Such a simple story the movie ended up having shouldn't take 2.5 - 3 hours to deliver.
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HIJK posted:That movie had the benefit of BTAS and STAS though. BvS was basically Justice League: We're Currently in Beta which meant they had to build up their mythology as much as they could in a limited run time. Early access movies? I'm not ready for this grim future. 
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Need more Valerian details, everything shown so far looks fabulous as hell.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I haven't seen the film, so however you answer this, I'll take your word for it until I can see it for myself. That said: The "abused people abuse people" bit is a step too far, but Short Term 12 definitely presents the main character's abuse as providing her with the ability to connect with abused children in a way that merely trained professionals aren't able to match. It's a hosed-up movie. Jenny Angel posted:In fact it seemed like her own history was actively getting in the way of her functioning, homegirl was ready to torpedo her engagement and get herself thrown in jail for B&E and assault Yeah, and that assault is part of the acting out that helps her get through to the abused kid. It gets in the way of her functioning except in terms of helping abused kids, which is some straight-up Batman/Iron Man/Lethal Weapon poo poo. It's a hosed-up movie.
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HIJK posted:That movie had the benefit of BTAS and STAS though. BvS was basically Justice League: We're Currently in Beta which meant they had to build up their mythology as much as they could in a limited run time. A total stranger to comics could watch that animated movie and follow along just fine. If anything it's like the perfect starting point. Each scene is very purposeful and each line of dialogue is deliberate and necessary. There's basically no weird filler at all because they knew they had one story to tell and they told it. Edit: anyone remember the scene they showed in BvS where Lois walks forward a bit and then falls down into a puddle. Just one of a hundred absolutely pointless scenes that add nothing SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:A total stranger to comics could watch that animated movie and follow along just fine. If anything it's like the perfect starting point. Each scene is very purposeful and each line of dialogue is deliberate and necessary. There's basically no weird filler at all because they knew they had one story to tell and they told it. Doesn't she almost drown later in the film? Foreshadowing!!
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Renoistic posted:And that's part of the reason why it's bad. Such a simple story the movie ended up having shouldn't take 2.5 - 3 hours to deliver. Maybe the twist is that we've been watching the universe where the Justice League becomes the Justice Lords and 5 movies later we get the actual good universe Justice League to kick their asses.
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah if you were going to make a Justice League movie, I'd just go with how Justice League started, War of the Worlds and then all 7 of these heroes decide to work together and then eventually say "Hey we did good, let's make this a permanent thing" Only if it features the laziest character ever, Power Ring 
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah if you were going to make a Justice League movie, I'd just go with how Justice League started, War of the Worlds and then all 7 of these heroes decide to work together and then eventually say "Hey we did good, let's make this a permanent thing" There's such a strange rationalization to want to declare these movies as "non-canon" so people don't have to care about them.
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quote:‘Batman V Superman’ Kicks ‘Avengers’ For Best Superhero Global Debut & Beats ‘Hunger Games’ For Pre-Summer Opening U.S. Title — Sunday B.O. http://deadline.com/2016/03/batman-v-superman-opening-weekend-box-office-records-1201726300/ Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Not surprising. Also, any good news about BvS breaking box office records will likely only reassure WB/DC that there's absolutely nothing wrong with their outings and they'll keep making the same mistakes. So, no, no  ing here.
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I look forward to people saying that this means the movie is actually good, while continuing to decry other similarly bloated, brainless affairs as terrible despite making similar amounts of money.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I'm fine with that, I greatly enjoyed the movie Ok.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I look forward to people saying that this means the movie is actually good, while continuing to decry other similarly bloated, brainless affairs as terrible despite making similar amounts of money. It does mean WB is more likely to let Snyder keep doing his thing and less tempted to pull a 180 on the franchise and break out the quip book and low consequences 'fun'. In that sense, I am glad the film is selling well
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