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literally a hog posted:Probably yeah, they quietly cancelled the sequel to the FF movie.
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i have been reading 17 pages of spoilers for this movie, and i still dont know what the actual plot is
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Mar 27, 2016 16:06
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From what I've gathered, Lex Luthor makes Batman and Superman fight. But then they stop fighting because of their moms Then Lex had like a clone of superman or something (????) that is Doomsday and then Wonder Woman beats doomsday to poo poo Thats my impression so far
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Mar 27, 2016 16:09
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More like Badman v Stupidman. 
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Mar 27, 2016 16:09
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:But then you don't have Batman screaming "marthahhhaaahahahahaaaa" like a child with autism that was just blugeoned with his mother's dead corpse who also happens to be named martha. This was the thought going through my head as I went to sleep last night. Like, why? Why would he call his mom Martha? Did the writer just realize that both Batman and Superman's moms have the same name? They even foreshadow this poo poo, it's a major plot point that's set up in the first few minutes of the movie... Who wrote this movie?
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Mar 27, 2016 16:09
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I really wish I hadn't known that was coming.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:12
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Ignoring the rest of the movie, Affleck is actually a very good Batman.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:18
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Windows 98 posted:Ignoring the rest of the movie, Affleck is actually a very good Batman. Yeah, but having him be "alcoholic and emotionally broken Batman" doesn't give us a lot of opportunities to really enjoy the character.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:20
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I thought it played exactly as a comic book, and it's a good comic book movie by that standard. Way too much extra stuff was left in though, like those 5 pages of dialogue you always skip to get to the action. All the stupid explanations and amazing coincidences were true to comic-book standard, albeit from the golden age (kryptonite spear lol). Edit: And the visual framing left you with lasting images of comic book panel shots. It started with a Batman flashback, which was like Batman #1, and then jumped to a Superman comic, and the rest of the movie was a crossover. It was kind of cool. Edit2: Luthor could have been written differently, but the way it is works. I wish Batman didn't have a conflict of conscious and just buried that brand right in his face P.N.T.M. fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 16:22
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Yeah, but having him be "alcoholic and emotionally broken Batman" doesn't give us a lot of opportunities to really enjoy the character. I mean its not really shocking that a Randian with the dream of making a The Fountainhead movie is poo poo at making a good superhero movie
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Mar 27, 2016 16:31
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8-Bit Scholar posted:This was the thought going through my head as I went to sleep last night. Like, why? Why would he call his mom Martha? Did the writer just realize that both Batman and Superman's moms have the same name? They even foreshadow this poo poo, it's a major plot point that's set up in the first few minutes of the movie... A dude who really needs a goddamn break from writing superheros he's burnt out on. 8-Bit Scholar posted:Yeah, but having him be "alcoholic and emotionally broken Batman" doesn't give us a lot of opportunities to really enjoy the character. It's alright to have batman get battered and weird and darker.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:39
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But they don't really explore this new dark Batman. They don't even MENTION that he's killing people; they explicitly show it, but the news makes a big deal about him branding people, which was already morally black for Batman to be doing, given the implications that it'll lead to you being killed in prison. They even toy with us by having the dream sequence where he shoots a bunch of people. Then, two scenes later, he's casually killing guys as collateral damage and NOBODY MENTIONS ANYTHING Superman shows up and I thought this would be a great moment to reveal that he's saved all of the guys who Batman had endangered in his jaded violent spree, but Superman didn't save anybody either. He just shows up to make a stupid threat for no reason so to set up that these two have to fight later or something. Batman being a total psychotic is like, at best, a background element, but I don't think you can have Batman killing people and have this lead into a Justice League movie, because Batman's no longer a hero once he's crossed that line and I refuse to give the film the credit of assigning an entire explanation for why he's killing if it's not going to put in the effort. Presumably the death of the Joker tipped the scales for Bats and he lost sight of his moral clarity so he's become careless about taking lives, but they couldn't show or depict or otherwise pay lip service to that idea so it's just jarring and out of place.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:44
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8-Bit Scholar posted:But they don't really explore this new dark Batman. They don't even MENTION that he's killing people; they explicitly show it, but the news makes a big deal about him branding people, which was already morally black for Batman to be doing, given the implications that it'll lead to you being killed in prison. They even toy with us by having the dream sequence where he shoots a bunch of people. Then, two scenes later, he's casually killing guys as collateral damage and NOBODY MENTIONS ANYTHING Batman is essentially in-the-closet The Punisher
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Mar 27, 2016 16:46
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EorayMel posted:Batman is essentially in-the-closet The Punisher id say hes more like a very butthurt iron man
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Mar 27, 2016 16:56
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What did you expect from a Fred Durst clone who spends his free time thinking about his next body art or homoerotic porn. Seriously.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:00
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:id say hes more like a very butthurt iron man He's Rorschach if Rorschach was rich and had slightly less mental problems.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:10
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He's not supposed to be any of those things but realism, violence and comics.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:11
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EorayMel posted:Batman is essentially in-the-closet The Punisher But he isn't the Punisher, and he isn't a killer, and that's why he's a hero and not a villain, why he's a savior and not just another vigilante. It's why he's so well-trained, so disciplined; he hates killing, and he thinks guns are a coward's weapon.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:12
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Red Letter Media just posted their review of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsrMaxx8N4
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Mar 27, 2016 17:13
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EorayMel posted:Batman is essentially in-the-closet The Punisher Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:id say hes more like a very butthurt iron man 8-Bit Scholar posted:But he isn't the Punisher, and he isn't a killer, and that's why he's a hero and not a villain, why he's a savior and not just another vigilante. It's why he's so well-trained, so disciplined; he hates killing, and he thinks guns are a coward's weapon. As I said earlier: happyhippy posted:Batman is the Punisher but with money.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:18
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The best superhero movie is the first five minutes of The Dark Knight Rises Before or after they changed Bane's voice?
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Mar 27, 2016 17:19
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is killing criminals ok?
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Mar 27, 2016 17:24
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Zzulu posted:is killing criminals ok? if the government says you can then yes
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Mar 27, 2016 17:26
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8-Bit Scholar posted:But he isn't the Punisher, and he isn't a killer, and that's why he's a hero and not a villain, why he's a savior and not just another vigilante. It's why he's so well-trained, so disciplined; he hates killing, and he thinks guns are a coward's weapon. To be serious about this Violent Halloween Man, I agree. It's weird how people wishing for a more violent, angsty, murdery Batman always seem to be fans of the character, when all that stuff sounds more like some sort of parody takedown on the entire idea (in the style of the Starship Troopers movie). Nobody is ever going to cross the line, anyway. The real line, not Batman's no-killing line, the one where they make their Batman flat out a dangerous delusional lunatic who needs to be stopped for the sake of everyone around him and even his own mental health. Everyone who says that or thinks that in a Batman thing it is always going to be evil or misinformed, so there's no point in flirting with the idea from across the room. Trying to make Batman Slightly-darker-but-no-no-he's-still-technically-grey isn't a new idea, practically everyone who gets his hands on Batman goes for it by default.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:32
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8-Bit Scholar posted:But they don't really explore this new dark Batman. They don't even MENTION that he's killing people; they explicitly show it, but the news makes a big deal about him branding people, which was already morally black for Batman to be doing, given the implications that it'll lead to you being killed in prison. They even toy with us by having the dream sequence where he shoots a bunch of people. Then, two scenes later, he's casually killing guys as collateral damage and NOBODY MENTIONS ANYTHING Joker is still alive and will be in Suicide Squad with this same Batman. I hope that they put Bats in the SS after he confesses to murking all those dudes but doubt they'll go that way with it.
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Mar 27, 2016 17:37
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literally a hog posted:Probably yeah, they quietly cancelled the sequel to the FF movie. yeah, its pretty nuts Howard Beale posted:it really is, even if you can see the zipper on the thing's costume roger corman can create quality sometimes ironically Young Freud posted:I wonder why he even got the job when Watchmen both bombed at the box office and wasn't as faithful as an adaptation as Snyder thinks it is. We've repeatedly in this thread that the best moments of the characters cut out (including one that makes a whole lot more sense than what ended up on screen); the whole background is less an alternate universe where people like Dr. Manhattan and Adrian Veidt have altered but a love song to the 1970s-1980s, with painstakingly-recreated New York grunge and such; and while the squid ending is polarizing to comic fans, it's foreshadowed and aftershadowed in the book and it's better thematically than "U.S. superweapon nukes the capitols of the world on the cusp of WW3". I would even I'd rank the Hamm script a bit higher than the film's ending, just because it kinda got the point of the characters being hosed up and loving up the universe around them, something that Snyder kinda ignored. Outside of 300 and maybe Dawn Of The Dead (which, as you've pointed out, was written by Guardians Of The Galaxy's James Gunn), he really hasn't a success, but they gave him Man Of Steel, which went to show everyone that he really didn't understand these characters. yeah, i just don't know why the hell they gave him the tent pole franchises. synder thinks he's smarter than he actually is. and like you said, he's an awful storyteller. i have absolutely no idea why dc thought it was a good idea.
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Mar 27, 2016 18:29
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Netflix Daredevil did a good "hero that kills people constantly vs hero that doesnt" and that wasnt some colossal quadrillion dollar bomb. What Im saying is Marvel knows what theyre doing.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:03
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Dapper Dan posted:yeah, its pretty nuts Cuz ppl go see his movies and they make money
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Mar 27, 2016 19:19
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Roger Corman is a fantastic director, no sarcasm or irony neccessary.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:20
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Gutcruncher posted:Netflix Daredevil did a good "hero that kills people constantly vs hero that doesnt" and that wasnt some colossal quadrillion dollar bomb. That said this last season was me sitting around going "Goddamn it Daredevil, stop loving up this good Punisher series." All things considered I still love vindictive murderfest Batman, who not only kills people, but turns them into weapons and kills other people WITH their victims like he's playing Just Cause or some poo poo. I'm kind of sick of hearing characters whine about killing. Hell even in Daredevil again it was kind of hilarious this season since he's hanging with people who murder the gently caress out of everything (and in one case, with little to no reason) going "but we can't killlllll" like the one straight edge gently caress at a party where people are having fun getting drunk who wants to whine about how everyone is being bad. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 19:20
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Neurolimal posted:Roger Corman is a fantastic director, no sarcasm or irony neccessary. Galaxy of Terror owns
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Mar 27, 2016 19:27
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CD is a poo poo subforum full of idiots
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Mar 27, 2016 19:30
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I like how after the bomb goes in Washington Superman looks more like a kid who dropped his ice cream than a godlike being contemplating the loss of hundred of innocent lives.
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There is no way they can make an interesting Aqua Man movie. Also, DC has too many capes in its movies like IN YOUR FACE we got capes!~
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Mar 27, 2016 19:36
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Blazing Ownager posted:That said this last season was me sitting around going "Goddamn it Daredevil, stop loving up this good Punisher series." That's the thing, Marvel characters have all ruined that plotline through overruse. Comics in general really have, but I feel like it's a mirror of how twisted American culture is for "realism" in their heroes that we keep wanting to see Batman kill people, see Batman use guns, see Batman not be Batman. If Batman didn't care about killing anyone, why not just use his guns to shoot all those guys on the third floor of that building? He knew where Martha was inside, he could have just swept quickly with his ship, or even have it do it on autopilot, then pop up and use a gun to kill everybody else. If Batman actually focused his mind to killing, then why is he doing all this stupid hand-to-hand poo poo when it's much more effective to utilize a sniper tactic or gas the whole room? Do you see where this starts to fall apart? If Batman is kiling then his entire approach to combat ceases to make sense, and he ceases to be Batman. Now, I anticipate that this is to set up a crazy Justice League movie that's going to have a super gritty JL fighting and losing to Brainiac, and that time travel thing is going to come up again, and we'll have a reset on the universe to set up a younger, more optimistic Justice League. This is the only way I can see a JL reboot actually growing out of this, because the universe and the characters we get in this movie aren't really worth saving or rooting for. Superman had a great little arc, but he's dead so whatever
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Mar 27, 2016 19:37
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Michaellaneous posted:CD is a poo poo subforum full of idiots 
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Mar 27, 2016 19:39
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Zzulu posted:Cuz ppl go see his movies and they make money Except, prior to Man Of Steel, he was 50% box office failures. Watchmen bombed despite have a good opening weekend, Sucker Punch really bombed.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:41
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Ive yet to look up what zach snyder looks like so the only image i have in my head when his name is mentioned is Dee Snider so i pictured him directing this movie.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:52
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The problem with Ben Affleck as a superhero is that no young (even semi-)hetero dude is going to want to see him in any movie.
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its not even snyder, ed wood could have made these movies and they still would have made money. its just name recognition.
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