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Mef989 posted:So I'm just getting back into 40k after having not played in over 2 years. I got out towards the end of 6th Ed while formations were still relatively new, and have a few questions on them and the new force org charts. I know unbound is a thing now but combined arms has advantages too. Does anyone even play unbound? I always felt that well rounded lists were just better, and combined arms seems to play into that thought, I just want to know if unbound is something broken (if people even play it), and if it's even something to watch out for. If you don't have a good group, I would not encourage anyone to get into 40k right now. It's a complete mess. It was never balanced before, but now I have no idea what's going on.
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40k is a great game that is easy to get into! Wanna buy my ork army for 600 bucks?
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I caved and signed up for the grand tournament Thursday at Adepticon, and all I'm bringing is your standard Gladius, no gimmick free transport stuff. How badly should I expect to get hosed?
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Uroboros posted:I caved and signed up for the grand tournament Thursday at Adepticon, and all I'm bringing is your standard Gladius, no gimmick free transport stuff. How badly should I expect to get hosed? Well when one of the armies people will expect to play is 'your army, plus 10 or so free transports' that should give you an idea both of how badly it will go, and how far in the distance the concept of game balance is.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Get into 30k instead. It's way more balanced, and FW actually care enough to release FAQs and erratas nerfing/buffing things. Safety Factor posted:If you don't have a good group, I would not encourage anyone to get into 40k right now. It's a complete mess. It was never balanced before, but now I have no idea what's going on. Luckily I do have a good group and half of 40k for me is painting minis. I also have 1000+ pts of tau just lying around from the last time I played. For now I'm just going try and avoid fielding anything too broken and will probably look into 30k though once I'm done painting up what I already have.
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Zaphod42 posted:drat that's boring. There's already a deathwatch vs genestealer boxed game which is the same thing but cooler. They should have made it Catachan Jungle Fighters vs Genestealers, that'd be way better. While boring and such that price tag is pretty affordable and could work as a good introduction to 40k.
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Uroboros posted:I caved and signed up for the grand tournament Thursday at Adepticon, and all I'm bringing is your standard Gladius, no gimmick free transport stuff. How badly should I expect to get hosed? The middle of the pack is literally people playing the lists that the internet think are overpowered for the second time. So you have that at least.
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Uroboros posted:I caved and signed up for the grand tournament Thursday at Adepticon, and all I'm bringing is your standard Gladius, no gimmick free transport stuff. How badly should I expect to get hosed? If any of the mission involve KP you've got that going for you at least. If you're not relying on the Gladius mega gimmick you might want to just CAD it up for ObSec on all your troops and troop transports and laugh and laugh while your single Rhino caps what all of their army cannot.
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PierreTheMime posted:If any of the mission involve KP you've got that going for you at least. If you're not relying on the Gladius mega gimmick you might want to just CAD it up for ObSec on all your troops and troop transports and laugh and laugh while your single Rhino caps what all of their army cannot. Unless you run into eldar with bikes. Which you will.
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PierreTheMime posted:If any of the mission involve KP you've got that going for you at least. If you're not relying on the Gladius mega gimmick you might want to just CAD it up for ObSec on all your troops and troop transports and laugh and laugh while your single Rhino caps what all of their army cannot. Everything in normal Gladius is pretty much obj sec
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LordAba posted:Unless you run into eldar with bikes. Which you will. Honestly there's not much Space Marines can do against Eldar bikes unless the Eldar player plays them offensively. They are the ultimate last minute objective grabber and if they go second they'll likely just sit right outside of range until last turn to surge forward. It's infuriating but unless you have fast units (which SM don't) with good range you're never catching them in the hands of a good player. Uroboros posted:Everything in normal Gladius is pretty much obj sec Completely forgot about that. 
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I feel the terrain will be a huge factor? Is it open or cluttered usually? I am bringing the Stormwing, so I will have the ability to reach out and touch someone.
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The Taranis knight "Red Might" is coming along. I've changed his helm to look more like a Skitarii helm and changed his service badges to represent a permanent transfer to Skitarii service (the red V black lightning bolt symbol on the crotch banner). Lots of work left to do.
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LordAba posted:40k is a great game that is easy to get into! Wanna buy my ork army for 600 bucks? you are history's greatest monster!
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So The Sisko came down to my hood the other day, and despite me having to take a few calls for work, we had a good time throwing down! I don't recall the speciifcs, but our forces were more or less as follows: My Blood Axes: - Mad Dok Grotsnik - Mutoid Mek (Big Mek with KFF, cybork body, klaw, kombi-skorcha, 'eavy armor) - MANz x6 (3 kombi skorchas, one guy with killsaws) - Big Squiggoth - Ardboyz x12 with shootas, nob, klaw, rokkit, trukk with big shoota - Ardboyz x12 with shootas, nob, klaw, big shoota, trukk with rokkit - Ardboyz x12 with shootas, nob, klaw, big shoota, trukk with rokkit - Grot Tanks x4 with kustom mega blasta, big shoota, rokkit launcha, grotzooka - Kommandos x15 with burna x2, nob, klaw - Kannons x4 with 11 grots or so His Admech: - Techpriest Dominus - 3 Kataphron dudes with grav cannons - 3 Kataphron dudes with grav cannons - Ironstrider ballistarius - Onager Dunecrawler with neutron laser - Onager Dunecrawler with neutron laser - 10x Skitarii rangers - 10x Skitarii vanguard - 5x Sicarian Ruststalkers - 2x Kastelan robot with Datasmith - Vindicare Assassin We rolled up Big Guns Never Tire, with three objectives, which we placed all down the middle. We went with Dawn of War because other deployments are hard to play with in my cramped little kitchen. Here's the city of Skullingrad, before the battle started:  And with our forces in play:  Our forces were on the table, the mission to capture the central street was clear, and we went on with the battle! Turn 1 one of my trukks bogged down and the boyz had to get out:  While the gunz took aim at the chicken walker:  And the Grot Tanks opened fire on the Vindicare on top of the bastion, wounding him twice:  And Grotsnik directed Ol' Squiggly through the ruins:  One of my trukks rushed up alongside the Grot Tanks, and with a wealth of fire pouring out was able to bring down the VIndicare for First Blood. The Kannons blew away the Ironstrider, and the boyz on the right flank with the bogged down trukk put some fire into the Ruststalkers.  The turn ended with one Ruststalker going down to Ork shooting and the Orks advancing across most of the board.  They'd lost their assassin, their walker, and taken some fire across the board, but it was time for the Adeptus Mechanicus to strike back! Aye, dis is a purdy nice view up here innit?  OY! WHO TRASHED ME TRUKK!?"  One Onager put an end to a Trukk. The Kastelan robots did their stompy robot thing and advanced: beep. boop. beep beep boop.  They put a bunch of fire into the lead trukk:  Which they summarily also trashed: OY! WHY'Z I WALKIN!?  The Skitarii use their weird and wonderful weapons to put four wounds down on Ol' Squiggly, leaving him with two:  The Ruststalkers try to charge my boyz in cover, but don't quite make it, losing one of their robobrethren to overwatch fire:  The tech-soldiers of the Adeptus Mechanicus have slowed the Ork advance, but will it be enough to stem the green tide?  With an ever-so-stealthy battlecry, a horde of Kommandos appears on the Ork turn! We's real sneaky like, right boss?  While the Ork flank envelops the Mechanicus attackers.  The Orks place the Stalkers firmly in their sights:  Mad Dok Grotsnik, accompanied by Mutoid Mek and a bodyguard of Meganobz, dismount from Ol' Squiggly:  The Orks shoot up the Ruststalkers: Get out of here, STALKER.  The grot tanks chew up the Kastellan robot before the boyz on that flank charge. The boyz are massacred but cause some damage. beep boop. where is robodad. beep boop.  The Meganobz prepare for a disordered charge against both Skitarii units, which will cause them to take overwatch fire from both We ain't scared-a nuthin! Overwatch puts one wound on one Nob, and they make the charge!  The fight's a massacre, and the lone surviving Skitari runs offboard Deez tinboyz is weedy! Bring me a real fight!  The Adeptus Mechanics forces are in trouble; their center has collapsed and while one flank has weathered the battle thus far, the Ork noose is tightening on the other. They try to protect their warlord while putting as much attention as possible on taking out the Meganobz.  The Onager and Kataphron troops try to protect their Techpriest:  While the Ruststalkers attempt to move in on the Meganobz: destroy greenskin threat. beedeebeedeebeedee  The surviving Kastelan shoots up and charges the Grot Tanks. intending to carry out its revenge robodad noooooo  The shooting from grav cannons and elsewhere kill three of the Meganobz and put wounds elsewhere in the unit:  The Ruststalkers charge the Meganobz, intending to do some damage:  Their squad leader is challenged by Grotsnik. He puts a wound on the Mad Dok, but is killed in return. About time somebody put up a fight! Hurr hurr hurr!  The Meganobz wiped out the stalkers and consolidated towards the warlord and his little castle:  The Kastelan had killed a Grot Tank, and the surviving tanks drove off. Ol' Squiggly was closing in for the kill, ready to engage in some monster-on-monster action:  Which he promptly won.  With the Orks firmly holding the road and closing the noose on the Techpriest Dominus and his few remaining forces, we declared an Ork victory. The forces of the Adeptus Mechanics withdrew from the planet, and the Imperium deployed its deadliest weapon on Skullingrad, ensuring no Ork would walk its streets again:  The Sisko was a really fun dude to play, and I hope next time he's in town we can have a rematch - or hey, maybe even play that Horus Heresy game we've both sunk a bunch of money into!
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Extermicatus in extremis.
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Hrmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNLMW-B7fus
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Any of you Eldar players can tell me if the Wraithguard tabards can fit on a marine, or if they are (way) too long?
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Mango Polo posted:Any of you Eldar players can tell me if the Wraithguard tabards can fit on a marine, or if they are (way) too long? Way too long, those Tabards are like the height of a Marine. They could work as cloaks I guess but will need severely trimming down to act as actual tabards.
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Zark the Damned posted:Way too long, those Tabards are like the height of a Marine. They could work as cloaks I guess but will need severely trimming down to act as actual tabards. Thanks for confirming. Too bad, they'd have been lovely.
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Have your marine stand at the edge of a large rock so that his magnificent ur-tabard can reach its full potential.
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Mango Polo posted:Thanks for confirming. Too bad, they'd have been lovely. Dire Avengers come with a similar, infantry-size tabard.
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There's also a few GK legs with built in tabards, and I think the stearnguard box has a torso or two with tabards.
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Ah yeah, I know of other tabard bits and all, it's just that the wraithguard ones are longer/thinner than what's usual for marine bits, which is what I was interested in 
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One goon, three days, three Warp Spiders, one Jetbike and zero ambition. Adepticon 2016. Urubos, how's that command squad coming?
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The Sisko is a great kid I wish I had more time to play with. Hrm....
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Is Adepticon this weekend or next? 3/30 - 4/2 So next, unless you aren't counting the current weekend that we are still in then it would be this weekend. This upcoming weekend would be the best way of putting it?
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Boon posted:One goon, three days, three Warp Spiders, one Jetbike and zero ambition. Adepticon 2016. Despite the Easter family stuff I have them assembled, magnetized, based, all the blue is done. Sitting down now to continue working on the gold/metallic areas. Basically, I have tonight at work, tomorrow afternoon, hopefully tomorrow at work again(really depends on if I get a sitting post or not), then I will likely work Tuesday afternoon again, and call in sick that night like a total shitbag to finish as much as I can. If the Command Squad was all I had it wouldn't be a problem but I need to finish their ride, which is assembled and basecoated as well. Tuesday night I will likely drive to my buddy who is assigned display duty, and hopefully he didn't cock up the very simple instructions I gave him. I snagged a 18x24 picture frame from a store, and will glue all the display poo poo down on the cardboard backing that night. Leave from central Illinois at about 3 AM Wednesday, arrive at Adepticon wired as gently caress, get owned in the Grand Tournament, then come find whichever Goons I can along with whatever nerds from my local area have managed to make it up. I will have alcoholic root beer with me if anyone is interested, stuff be delicious.
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Well, you're welcome to come find us doing the team tournament - we'll be the idiots in "Warhammered" neon tank-tops and wayfarers, probably drunk (it's a team rule to be drinking at all times during the tournament - our display board has a mini-keg). I'll be the tall, skinny guy.
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BIGASS BATTLE REPORT Last Friday, BuffaloChicken came over with two of our friends, Irrumare and Firehead, for a 2v2 game of Warhammer 40k that we streamed on twitch.tv. You can watch the old broadcast here, if you have about 4.5 hours to spare. I'm slowly getting better at figuring out how to make these watchable. This was one of the best games of 40k I've ever played, and it came down to the wire. This game saw me teaming up with Irrumare's fearsome Necrons. Here's the force I brought:  The basic list is one Chaos Lord with Mark of Khorne and Power Sword, joined to a squad of MoK Chaos Space Marines with an Icon of Wrath and Champion with Power Fist in a Rhino with a Dirge Caster. The other troops choice is a 10-man squad of Chaos Marines in a Rhino (with dirge caster) with a Missile Launcher and Meltagun. There's one squad of Raptors with two meltaguns. The raptor champion has 2 lightning claws. Rounding out the list is a Vindicator with siege shield and a Heldrake with baleflamer. To my recollection, Irrumare brought a Decurion with two squads of warriors, a Necron Lord, a Tomb Stalker, a squad of Canoptek Scarabs, two squads of Tomb Blades, and a pair of Doom Scythes. BuffaloChicken brought an unbound list he's been working on and showing off in the thread, shown here. Most of the quality photos of the game were taken by him, so props to him for taking these and letting me post them:  In there, he's got 4 squads of Catachans led by the Space Wolves character Harald Deathwolf (the Calvin & Hobbes catachan in the front blob). The Triceratops is a Wyvern tank. The large dinosaur, called "The Herpaderpadon," is a Dreadknight, and the wizard riding the anteater is a Blood Angels librarian with a Jump Pack. The Sentinel and Taurox are exactly what they look like. In addition to all this, BuffaloChicken also had 9 "buffalo chickens," which used the rules for spore mines. He was partnered with Firehead, who brought a Crisis suit commander, two squads of Crisis suits, one squad of stealth suits, and a Devilfish filled with fire warriors. THE MISSION For this game, we decided to give the new Cities of Death a whirl. This is basically like Maelstrom of War, but every objective has to be placed on a building or in a ruins, and there's a different deck of cards specific to Cities of Death. These are much, much better than the Standard Maelstrom deck because there are no duplicate cards, and the cards in the deck are much more interesting. Instead of having 3 identical sets of "capture objective X" cards, there's only one set--the other two call for either holding the same of objective for two consecutive turns (awarding 2 points), or capturing an objective held by an opponent. The specific mission we played was Cities of Death - Firesweep. In addition to the cards, the mission used Slay the Warlord, First Blood, and Linebreaker, plus the Night Fighting and Variable Game Length rules. DEPLOYMENT BuffaloChicken and Firehead won the roll, so they chose to deploy first, hoping to get the first turn (they did). Deployment in this mission uses opposing table quarters. The six mission objectives are located in each of the 6 main buildings on the map.  Without knowing which objectives we'd have to capture, we tried to spread our forces a bit at deployment. The plan was to use the standard chaos marine squad to cap the two leftmost objectives as needed, and to fly the raptors forward to take out vehicles and cap the other two objectives on the close table half.  BuffaloChicken's team got the first turn and spent a chunk of it shooting up an empty Rhino, which was good for First Blood, and taking out my Raptor champion with stealth suits. They also scored a point for capturing the rightmost objective and a point for destroying one of our fast attack choices (a group of Necron Canoptek Scarabs), giving them 3 Victory Points to start the game off. In perhaps the game's biggest tactical error, Firehead forgot to move his Commander and crisis squad in the Assault phase, which would cost him substantially when the Vindicator was able to drop a pie plate on them in our first turn, wiping them out and giving us a point for Slay the Warlord. I shot my MoK marines and Lord up the south side of the board, ready to get them into combat with anything besides the Herpaderpadon/Dreadknight. Irrumare and I had cards that primarily gave points for capturing objectives on the far corner of the board, which we tried to discard as quickly as we could.  Turn 2 saw both teams whiff on most of our reserves rolls, but BuffaloChicken was able to snag another VP by scoring the "Sally Forth" objective when a group of his Catachan charged out of some ruins into combat with Irrumare's Necron Warriors. Unfortunately for him, BuffaloChicken's Catachans lost the combat and in their notoriously cowardly manner, turned and fled, eventually fleeing off the table edge. That put them up 4-1, and we were in an even rougher spot when the Dreadknight charged a squad of Tomb Blades and wiped them out. The only thing that kept the Dreadknight from wrecking us was Irrumare continually assualting it with Canoptek Scarabs being reanimated with the "From the Sands, we Rise" rule. The reserve rolls that didn't whiff were BuffaloChicken's infiltrating Sentinel, which came in behind our main force only to be immediately immobilized by shooting on our turn, and a pair of buffalo chicken/spore mine units, one of which dropped down into a destroyed land raider on the battlefield. My raptors put in some work by destroying Firehead's Stealth suits in close combat that turn.  It wasn't until turn 3 that Irrumare and I were able to really score some points, and that's when we scored points for Capturing objective 1 and holding it for 2 turns, bringing us up to 4 VPs. Unfortunately, BuffaloChicken scored another VP when he destroyed the Vindicator, and Firehead scored 2 for holding objective marker 5 for 2 turns, bringing their points total up to 7. At this point, we got some huge support from the Heldrake and a Doom Scythe entering play, which helped clear the way for my Chaos lord and his squad to approach the remaining Crisis Suits. I took 2 wounds off the dreadknight with my raptors before BuffaloChicken got the drop on them with his Librarian, wiping them out in close combat as they completely whiffed. At this point, we were down 7-4, but had done a fair amount of damage to BuffaloChicken's team, wiping out about half of their force. We started to talk about our options and whether we'd have to table them in order to win.   The Heldrake always makes for the best photos  Things got even rougher on Turn 4 when the rest of BuffaloChicken's reinforcements came in, allowing an Outflanking squad of Catachans and Harald Deathwolf to sneak up on my marine squad, but we were able to seriously deplete their forces when Necron Warriors took out the Wyvern and the Doom Blade arriving from reserves on our turn shot down the Herpaderpadon/Dreadknight, scoring us the "Surprise Attack" card (kill a unit with a unit that arrived from reserves this turn). We were also able to score 2 points for holding Objective 3 for 2 turns, bringing the score to 7-7. Additionally, I wiped out Firehead's fire warriors with the Heldrake and took out his Crisis suits with my Chaos lord and MoK squad. The Devilfish escaped with 2 hull points taken off it, however. We also had to fly a Doom Scythe off the board.   Turn 5 was for all the marbles, and BuffaloChicken's team came out swinging. Catching my rearguard of Chaos Space Marines in a pincer attack between the Devilfish and Harald Deathwolf and his Catachan, they cut down the squad and broke them in combat, capturing both of the objectives the squad was straddling. This scored them one point for capturing objective #1 and a point for capturing the point closest to our table edge ("Capture the Castle"). That was also objective marker #6, which gave them a third point, bringing the total up to 10-7. BuffaloChicken moved his librarian into assault with Irrumare's Necron Lord.   At this point, things were tricky--We were holding 3 objectives--Garrison Building 4, which scores 2 points for holding objective 4 at the end of consecutive turns, "No Witnesses," which scores 1 point for killing every Independent character in the enemy army (at any time), and "Repel the Enemy," which scores D3+3 VPs if there isn't a single enemy unit on or in contact with any building or ruin on the battlefield at the end of our turn. We had held building 4 the turn before, but would need to kill BuffaloChicken's librarian to hold it again at the end of our turn. The Devilfish had 1 hull point left and was parked on top of building 1, and Harald Deathwolf and his Catechan were on top of building 6, plus there was one buffalo chicken in base contact with it. We'd have to wipe all of those out to score our objectives and win the game (we would also score 1 point for a second Slay the Warlord). Here's how it went down: The Heldrake zoomed over and took out the catechan, plus the single buffalo chicken in base contact with building 6, but couldn't touch Harald Deathwolf. The Tomb Stalker then took the last hull point off the Devilfish with a glancing hit. It took every single shot the Tomb Blades and Doom Scythe could muster to take down Deathwolf, who made a crapload of Storm Shield saves. That was the turning point for us--without killing Deathwolf, our best-case scenario was losing 11-10 when we scored only 3 points for "No Witnesses" and "Garrison building 4" when the Necron Lord killed the Librarian (we also sent in some scarabs, just to be sure). Instead, we scored those points, plus 1 for Slay the Warlord on Deathwolf, and an additional 5 points for Repel the Enemy, giving us a 16-11 win over BuffaloChicken in game that came down to the wire and ended on turn 5 when Firehead rolled a 2 to keep going.  Overall, a fantastic game where we were down for the majority of it but managed to come back with a big effort on turn 5. BuffaloChicken continues to be a rad dude to game with. CLOSING THOUGHTS The new cities of death is a big improvement over Maelstrom of War. The card objectives are more interesting, and the fact that most are more difficult to achieve makes the game a bit more consistent, which is a huge plus, even if the totals are slightly more swingy. While the missions don't make the objectives visible, you can kind of guess when someone needs to grab and hold an objective if they move onto it and then don't immediately score it, which gives you a chance to respond that maelstrom objectives don't. As I think about the maelstrom objectives, I tend to think that you can "fix" that game mode by just having players draw 3-5 cards at the start of the game and holding those for the entire game, only scoring them at the end, though you'd probably have to edit the deck to make that work. Either way, the Cities of Death deck was much more fun to play with and has caused me to consider trying the Tactical Supremacy deck. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Mango Polo posted:Thanks for confirming. Too bad, they'd have been lovely. I couldn't find good GW or 3rd party tabards for my dudes either. Making your own out of green stuff truly isn't that difficult or as time consuming as you might think:   I could write up a tutorial sometime if there's interest.
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TheChirurgeon posted:BIGASS BATTLE REPORT
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SRM posted:This was a good read, thanks for sharing! Can't wait to hamslam with you dudes in May. And thanks TheChirurgeon for setting up and hosting - wonderful as always. I'll probably see how much of the recording I can stomach listening to while I paint... listening to my own banter after six or so beers might be too much to bear. EDIT: Also RIP idiot Triceratops Wyvern who missed its twin-linked blasts all game, not touching a single enemy for four turns until it died. BuffaloChicken fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Mango Polo posted:Ah yeah, I know of other tabard bits and all, it's just that the wraithguard ones are longer/thinner than what's usual for marine bits, which is what I was interested in Turn the thing around, cut a hole in it and latch it onto his neck, and you now have a working bib for when you are fighting kroot.
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Hixson posted:I couldn't find good GW or 3rd party tabards for my dudes either. Making your own out of green stuff truly isn't that difficult or as time consuming as you might think: gently caress me, those are beautiful
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