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Yeah, about as unfair as the U.S. freezing humanitarian aid to afghanistan as a means of collective punishment for harboring bin laden.
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I guess collective punishment is only acceptable when it causes massive numbers of civilian deaths and the permanent destruction of critical humanitarian infrastructure.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess collective punishment is only acceptable when it causes massive numbers of civilian deaths and the permanent destruction of critical humanitarian infrastructure. c.f. the al-shifa chemical plant bombing in sudan. In all honesty, was that question about whether sanctions against iraq rhetorical? Because uh. quick edit: i had multiple friends serve in iraq/afghanistan and I got to hear them drunkenly describe daily life as an occupying force. Events like, pointing a gun at a crowd of kids asking in broken english for water and candy. Shooting in the air to disperse (usually) nonviolent demonstrations. Insulting locals by learning one or two insults in arabic and repeating them. So just for the sake of returning to the topic at hand, if the U.S. occupies a country in that manner I'm going to assume the israeli occupation is equal to or greater in the amount of respect and sensitivity shown to the native populace. Ultramega fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Kim Jong Il posted:Yes, the fictional notion that Zionists drop accusations of anti-Semitism at the drop of a hat is ridiculous and really should stop. It's a complete chimera strawman that anti-Zionists invented and use to shut down debate at any and all opportunities. Seems to be a very common tactic https://theintercept.com/2016/03/22/clinton-attacks-israeli-boycott-movement-in-aipac-speech/ quote:“Many of the young people here today are on the front lines of the battle to oppose the alarming Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement known as BDS,” said Clinton, speaking at the annual policy conference of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). “Particularly at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world, especially in Europe, we must repudiate all efforts to malign, isolate, and undermine Israel and the Jewish people.”
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According to Israeli outlets the IDF investigation into the summary execution in Tel Rumeyda has confirmed that the combat medic and self appointed judge and executioner wasn't even on the scene when the stabbing attack has occurred, he arrived after both alleged assailants were subdued and took the shot completely cold blooded. A video recorded by the Magen David Adom rescue team (settlers from hebron themselves) captured one of the settlers (the man holding the camera) claiming that the assailant who was executed is "carrying a bomb" in addition to someone saying "Why is this dog still alive?". The bomb thing is obviously highly suspect as the man was not carrying a bomb, on top of that the forces on location do not seem worried from a possibility of a bomb as they all stand in very close vicinity to him prior to the execution, having watched the video I must note that no one in the video seems to be reacting to the bomb claim and furthermore as it is captured by the cameraman there is a non-negligible possibility he simply recorded the sentence afterwards and edited it into the video. Do note that this is just mine own  impression not supported by anything other than what I've said above. As of this moment the executioner is held in custody and is facing murder charges which is in itself somewhat of a precedent, I guess the very unambiguous documentation kinda forced the ministry of defense's hand on the whole thing and they know they might need to actually imprison the fucker to fend off international criticism.
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menino posted:Seems to be a very common tactic Oh see but he didn't equate it. A statement of support for BDS is now a denial of the existence of anti-semitism. It's not even you are an anti-semite, because you know you are not, it's to make you feel like arguing against him might make you complicit. It's a direct overture towards liberal guilt.
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Mar 26, 2016 18:16
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The summary execution in Tel Rumeyda has claimed another unfortunate victim, this time it was irony ruthlessly slain by the family of the executioner: Quoth the sister of of the executioner: "All that remains is that you execute my brother, he's been the victim of drumhead court-martial". Yes, an actual summary execution by a self-appointed executioner is fine but calling him a murderer in the media that's a step too far.
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Mar 27, 2016 06:10
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emanresu tnuocca posted:According to Israeli outlets the IDF investigation into the summary execution in Tel Rumeyda has confirmed that the combat medic and self appointed judge and executioner wasn't even on the scene when the stabbing attack has occurred, he arrived after both alleged assailants were subdued and took the shot completely cold blooded.
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The University of California system's board of regents approved a policy against Anti-Semitism http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/university-of-california-adopts-statement-condemning-anti-semitism.html Controversy from some quarters over their decision. ^ http://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/aar/mare.pdf
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That's cool they hate antisemitism but isn't that kind of like expecting an attaboy for heroically denouncing child sex traffickers in public?
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emanresu tnuocca posted:
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http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/after-cast-lead/by-date-of-event
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Liberman felt left out: "Netanyahu and Ya'alon have turned into presenters for the group of traitors from B'Tselem." Bennett is also in the process of losing his poo poo: "Why must you pass the sentence before confirming all the facts? You no longer know who the bad guys and the good guys are. Why is the leadership of Israel dancing to the tune of B'Tselem's pipers?". Yeah the whole 'where's the due process?!?" thing is really common and indicative of the fact that apparently everyone to the right of Likud has had their irony glands surgically removed at some point.
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Ultramega posted:That's cool they hate antisemitism but isn't that kind of like expecting an attaboy for heroically denouncing child sex traffickers in public? You'd think so but there are still plenty of "anti-Zionists" caterwauling about the whole thing despite the final policy did not equate anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, there really are people who will oppose initiatives to combat anti-semitism. A lot like how the "I'm not racist, but" racists always howl that anti-racist programs are oppressing them.
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The Insect Court posted:You'd think so but there are still plenty of "anti-Zionists" caterwauling about the whole thing despite the final policy did not equate anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, there really are people who will oppose initiatives to combat anti-semitism.. I'm not calling bullshit on you, per se but would you cite some examples of that?
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The Insect Court posted:You'd think so but there are still plenty of "anti-Zionists" caterwauling about the whole thing despite the final policy did not equate anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, there really are people who will oppose initiatives to combat anti-semitism. Lol. They had to add "anti-semetic forms of" to the phrase anti zionism because the faculty were gonna poo poo a brick if the original draft went through.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Quoth the sister of of the executioner: "All that remains is that you execute my brother, he's been the victim of drumhead court-martial".
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Ultramega posted:I'm not calling bullshit on you, per se but would you cite some examples of that? The original NYT article had a few good, albeit mild examples: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/university-of-california-adopts-statement-condemning-anti-semitism.html And from across the pond: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-members-anti-semitic-banned-for-life-john-mcdonnell-a6951371.html quote:Labour members who express anti-Semitic views should be expelled with no possibility of return, John McDonnell has said, amid calls for the party to take stronger action following a series of damaging allegations.
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Its too bad his article is basically him trying to slam dunk liberals by citing things conservative Israelis and Trump said.
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CommieGIR posted:Its too bad his article is basically him trying to slam dunk liberals by citing things conservative Israelis and Trump said. "Liberals turn into conservatives when Israel is involved" is the article's basic message, yes.
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Cat Mattress posted:"Liberals turn into conservatives when Israel is involved" is the article's basic message, yes. If only that were true.
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The Insect Court posted:The original NYT article had a few good, albeit mild examples: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/university-of-california-adopts-statement-condemning-anti-semitism.html Note that the one stated opinion, ie that Jews did 9/11 and ISIS, has nothing to do with Israel, and furthermore gently caress off you disingenuous shitstain.
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CommieGIR posted:If only that were true.
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 (credit: Amir Schiby) A survey reviewing Israeli commentary on facebook reveals that 78% of Israelis believe that the executioner acted properly, some 56% of those who support the executioner think that he is being thrown under the bus by the government to appease the international media, another 30% or so believe he is a hero who saved lives with his quick thinking and deliberate action.
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Just met a two-man "save the soldier" demonstration at the central bus station. Always interesting how these things devolve into "we're here to protect every jewish life and btw is you disagree we're not going to protect you - god bless and go die in Poland". Should I post a cell phone photo or do you get the picture regardless?
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It's really no surprise - much of Israeli society has been openly calling for the death of terrorists in all circumstances regardless of necessity for years. The hatred runs deep. http://forward.com/opinion/337068/whos-to-blame-for-israeli-soldier-shooting-immobilized-palestinian-attacker/ quote:Top members of Israel’s political, religious and security establishment have spoken out regularly in favor of killing attackers on the spot, prior to the wave of violence that began last fall. That thinking easily extends to attackers who pose little threat at the moment.
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The Insect Court posted:The original NYT article had a few good, albeit mild examples: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/university-of-california-adopts-statement-condemning-anti-semitism.html Are you ever going to address the questions that people have asked you repeatedly?
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captainblastum posted:Are you ever going to address the questions that people have asked you repeatedly? He's not.
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It's amazing how powerful the hatred of the oppressor for the oppressed is, throughout human history, compared to the hate of the oppressed for the oppressor. I think it's something like "If we are doing horrible things to them, then they must deserve it otherwise we would be the bad guys). I mean, look at the American South. Sure, there was a lot of hatred for the slavers by the blacks, but the sheer intensity of White hatred for the black dwarfed it somehow. Despite them being on top. It's a weird psychological phenomenon.
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Yeah it's a pretty common defense mechanism; act like you're the aggreived party long and loud enough and eventually you'll believe your own bullshit. I recognize leiberman, smotrich and bennett but who's the other guy? Judge Dredd-il?
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It's Danny Danon. it's actually Ofir Akunis, conflating those two is a running joke. quote:Minister Ofir Akunis also criticized the comments condemning the suspected soldier. "The fact that politicians, senior as they may be, already judged the soldier and convicted him is unacceptable to me," Akunis said before Sunday's cabinet meeting. "Things must be clarified in court. It's better [to have] dead terrorists than dead soldiers."
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's amazing how powerful the hatred of the oppressor for the oppressed is, throughout human history, compared to the hate of the oppressed for the oppressor. I think it's something like "If we are doing horrible things to them, then they must deserve it otherwise we would be the bad guys). Not just hate, but fear - the oppressor is absolutely terrified of the oppressed, and therefore oppresses them all the harder in order to keep them down, with any hint of defiance being met by vicious reprisals. They oppress the weak out of fear of what might happen if the weak become strong, and therefore specifically seek to make the weak even weaker while intimidating them into staying weak. It was the same in the American South - a slave revolt was basically the scariest thing they could imagine, and even the slightest hint of one led to widespread panic, brutal attacks against blacks, and further intensification of oppression against blacks under the excuse of preventing terrorism. And because of their fear, they felt that their hatred and oppression of blacks was all the more justified. It's a self-reinforcing system, too - the oppression breeds discontent and hatred, which convinces the oppressors to oppress even more, which causes more discontent and hatred, and so on.
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Dabir posted:Note that the one stated opinion, ie that Jews did 9/11 and ISIS, has nothing to do with Israel, and furthermore gently caress off you disingenuous shitstain. I'm sorry, is this a 'antisemitism has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel, how could anyone think that?' post? Or just a meltdown? captainblastum posted:Are you ever going to address the questions that people have asked you repeatedly? You'll have to clarify, it's hard to distinguish between all the bad faith non sequiturs made to avoid having to address legitimate issues ands important news stories that I mention. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Insect Court posted:I'm sorry, is this a 'antisemitism has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel, how could anyone think that?' post? Or just a meltdown? gently caress off and get out you apartheid-defending scumbag. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Insect Court posted:I'm sorry, is this a 'antisemitism has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel, how could anyone think that?' post? Or just a meltdown? You were specifically asked by Ultramega to back up your claims relating to the University of California statement, where you talked about '"anti-Zionists" caterwauling about the whole thing despite the final policy did not equate anti-semitism and anti-Zionism' in a manner which clearly implicated that they were racist. The link mentioned doesn't mention any criticism of the policy at University of California that is being talked about, in fact it doesn't mention the University of California at all. It's about some minor politically connected people in the UK being anti-semetic. Seeing as that has nothing to do with anti-zionism in general and even less to do with the policy at the University of California, all it does is let us know that a minimum of two anti-semites exist somewhere in UK. As everyone in this thread could have guessed that without an article, what you've posted is completely pointless and doesn't support your claim at all. This is a problem because as well asnot actually addressing the point raised, it feeds into the idea that you are a stupid disingenuous rear end in a top hat seeing as avoiding the point and hurling accusations of anti-semitism is pretty much all you do.
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The Insect Court posted:I'm sorry, is this a 'antisemitism has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel, how could anyone think that?' post? Or just a meltdown? This is the question that I'd like to hear an answer for: The Insect Court posted:I agree that we should not attempt to erase the killings by the Nazis of disabled people or gypsies (or Slovenes or Freemasons or homosexuals or Spanish Republicans) from history. captainblastum posted:I'd be interested in hearing why you think that the idea of the Roma people being as persecuted and scapegoated as the Jewish people is "ludicrously incorrect."
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The Insect Court posted:I INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENT OTHER PEOPLE'S ARGUMENTS AND STRAWMAN LIKE IT'S GOING OUT OF STYLE, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ENGAGE ME AND MY DUMB loving OPINIONS (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Insect Court posted:You'll have to clarify, it's hard to distinguish between all the bad faith non sequiturs made to avoid having to address legitimate issues ands important news stories that I mention. Well, you've made the claim that suggesting that Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine is obviously just bald anti-Semitism, but you never answered to what region you believe Palestinians to be indigenous. You've repeatedly stated that Palestinian refugees should not be entitled to the rights outlined by the UN in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and anyone claiming otherwise is clearly not concerned with human rights but just scheming to destroy Israel. Are there any other human rights you think should not apply to specific demographics, or is it only Palestinians? Why/why not? You've claimed that everything destroyed in Operation Protective Edge was a legitimate military target, including vital infrastructure like waste and water treatment facilities that had been reported to Israeli intelligence as void of military personal beforehand. What targets could be bombed by the IDF that you would not consider to be legitimate military targets, if any?
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